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The FReeper Foxhole Enjoys a Lazy Sunday - The US Air Force Seal and Symbol - Sept. 25th, 2005
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Posted on 09/25/2005 6:42:25 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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U.S. Air Force Seal




History of the Department of the Air Force Seal


Prior to enactment of the National Security Act of 26 July 1947, Mr. Arthur E. DuBois of the Military Planning Division, Office the Quartermaster General, Department of the Army, prepared a study of flags and seals for consideration by the three services.

These drawings were first reviewed by Army officials in the office of the Director of Personnel and Administration, then by Naval personnel in the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Air, which also arranged to have the drawings reviewed by the Secretary of Defense.

In September 1947, proposed drawings of the Air Force Seal were first exhibited in the office of the Secretary of the Air Force. Later, a conference of approximately 30 top-ranking Air Force general officers considered the preferred one. The participants evaluated an Air Force seal with a green-colored background; it featured prominently at the honor point of the shield a Wright Brothers' airplane. This Seal has been prepared by the Heraldic Section of the Office of the Quartermaster General, Department of the Army, in coordination with Mr. Robert E. Ewin, Chief of the Air Force Uniform and Insignia Section. After review, conference participants decided that the background of the Department of the Air Force Seal should be blue rather than green, and that a symbolic design should be substituted in place of the Wright Brothers' airplane. During these discussions, Mr. Dubois picked up the design and on its reverse side made a pencil sketch of Jupiter's thunderbolt as a suggested symbol. When the Air Force representatives saw the pencil sketch and understood its significance, they agreed to adopt that design as the basic symbol for the Air Force Seal instead of the Wright Brothers' airplane. The words "Department of the Air Force" that appear around the upper rim of the Seal were drawn from the words of the National Security Act.

The final drawing of the Department of the Air Force Seal was completed in the Office of the Quartermaster General, Department of the Army, and approved by Harry S. Truman, President of the United States, on 1 November 1947.

SYMBOLISM OF THE GREAT SEAL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE


The symbolism incorporated in the Great seal of the Department of the Air Force is as follows:

1. The predominant colors, ultramarine blue and gold, are the colors of the Air Force through transition from the Air Corps.

2. The 13 stars represent the Thirteen Original Colonies of the United States. The grouping of three stars at the top of the design portrays the three Departments of the National Defense Establishment, Army, Navy, and Air Force.

3. The crest includes the American Bald Eagle, which is the symbol of the United States and air striking power. The cloud formation depicts the creation of a new firmament, and the wreath, composed of six alternate folds of silver and blue, incorporate the colors of the basic shield design.

4. The shield, divided with the nebuly line formation, representing clouds, is charged with the heraldic thunderbolt. The thunderbolt portrays striking power through the medium of air.

5. The Roman numerals beneath the shield indicate the year 1947, in which the Department of the Air Force was established.

6. On a band encircling the whole is the inscription "Department of the Air Force" and "United States of America".

The entire design used on the shield of the Air Force Seal is taken from an heraldic representation of the mythological thunderbolt, also termed Jupiter's thunderbolt,. Jupiter was the Roman mythological God of the Heavens. At the honor point of the shield is a lightning bolt or elongated projectile-like mass, conceived of as the missile cast to earth in the lightning flash. The word thunderbolt--a single discharge of lightning with the accompanying thunder--derived from the idea that lightning was a bolt thrown to earth by a god.The pair of wings and smaller lightning flashes surrounding the bolt complete the design.

The eagle's head is turned to the right and symbolizes facing the enemy--looking toward the future and not dwelling on past deeds.

Above Information Provided by the Air Force History Office




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U.S. Air Force Symbol



The Air Force symbol was introduced in January 2000. Guidelines that outline appropriate uses for the new Air Force symbol were released March 23. The symbol was first tested on gates and water towers in August.

The symbol has two main parts. In the upper half, the stylized wings represent the stripes of our strength -- the enlisted men and women of our force. They have been drawn with great angularity to emphasize our swiftness and power, and they are divided into six sections which represent our core competencies -- aerospace superiority, global attack, rapid global mobility, precision engagement, information superiority, and agile combat support.

In the lower half there are a sphere, a star and three diamonds. The sphere within the star represents the globe. It reminds us of our obligation to secure our nation's freedom with Global Vigilance, Reach, and Power. The globe also reminds us of our challenge as an expeditionary force to respond rapidly to crises and to provide decisive aerospace power, worldwide.

The area surrounding the sphere takes the shape of a star. The star has many meanings. Its five points represent the components of our one force and family -- our active duty, civilians, Guard, Reserve, and retirees. The star symbolizes space as the high ground of our nation's aerospace force. The rallying symbol in all our wars, the star also represents our officer corps, central to our combat leadership.

The star has been framed with three diamonds, which represent our core values -- integrity first, service before self, and excellence in all we do.

The elements come together to form one symbol that presents two powerful images -- at once it is an eagle, the emblem of our nation, and a medal, representing valor in service to our nation.


1 posted on 09/25/2005 6:42:26 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: All


Good morning everyone. Enjoy your Sunday. Aim High!



2 posted on 09/25/2005 6:42:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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3 posted on 09/25/2005 6:43:53 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.


4 posted on 09/25/2005 6:53:20 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


5 posted on 09/25/2005 7:02:27 AM PDT by Aeronaut (2 Chronicles 7:14.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Dawn Patrol


6 posted on 09/25/2005 7:13:07 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ( "Sic semper tyrannis." (Your dinosaur is ill.))
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To: snippy_about_it

As much as I love my Air Force, the explanation behind the "symbol" is bull plop. It's an updated version of what was called the "Hap Arnold Star", AKA the Army Air Forces HQ SSI. The insignias of the numbered air forces all incorporated the winged star in one form or another (the Eighth Air Force, for example, was a winged 8 with the star in the lower loop of the 8). When the Air Force shifted to the "airline" blues in the early 90s, the Mars shield of the great seal of the USAF was removed from the buttons and the Hap Arnold Star was put on instead.

The link to the history of the Air Force is undeniable, and many of us when I was in lo those many years ago, longed for us to have a symbol we could feel as proud of as say, the Cavalry's crossed sabres or the Marine Corps' eagle, globe and anchor. The wing and star struck us on the same level as the EGA did Marines.

In the early days of the Air Force, the wing and star were found on flight gear, parkas, physical conditioning t-shirts, squadron mugs.....heck, lots of places. Sometime in the early to mid 60s it was dropped from use, but once in a while you'd find it turn up on an item that was old and being re-issued. I got issued an old K-2 flight suit at one point, and it had the wing and star on the sleeve. I was told I couldn't use the suit because it wasn't fire resistant, but I kept the suit anyway for its collector value. I've loved that symbol since I was a kid, and I have it on the WWII jackets in my collection and as a sticker in the rear window of my car. I've had active duty airmen ask why I don't have the current symbol and I tell them that this is the true symbol of the Air Force.....not a PR officer designed variation.

We should go back to the classic star....pride never changes.

7 posted on 09/25/2005 7:28:41 AM PDT by Bombardier ("Religion of Peace" my butt.....sell that snakeoil to someone who'll believe it!)
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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 25:
1644 Olaus Rímer Denmark, 1st to accurately measure speed of light
1657 Imre Thokoly, Hungarian patriot, opposed Habsburg rule
1725 Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot designed & built 1st automobile
1766 Armand-Emmanuel duc de Richelieu, French PM (1815-18, 1820-21)
1877 Plutarco El¡as Calles Mexican revolutionary, president (1924-28)
1897 William Faulkner Mississippi, author (Sound & the Fury-Nobel 1949)
1905 Red Smith Green Bay Wisc, sportscaster/columnist (Fight Talk)
1906 Dimitri Shostakovich St Petersburg Russia, composer (9th-1945)
1918 Phil Rizzuto Bkln NY, sportscaster/shortstop (NY Yankees-MVP 1950)
1920 Sergey Bondarchuk Belozerka Ukraine, director (War & Peace)
1926 Aldo Ray actor (God's Little Acre, Naked & the Dead, Green Beret)
1926 Sergei Filatov USSR, equestrian dressage (Olympic-gold-1960)
1931 Barbara Walters Boston Mass, newscaster (Today, 20/20, ABC-TV)
1936 Juliet Prowse Bombay India, actress/dancer
1943 Robert Walden NYC, actor (Joe Rossi-Lou Grant, New Doctors)
1944 Michael Douglas NJ, actor (Coma, Wall St, Jewel of the Nile)
1949 Anson Williams LA Calif, actor (Potsie-Happy Days)
1951 Mark Hamill Oakland Calif, actor (Star Wars)
1952 Christopher Reeve actor (Superman)
1961 Heather Locklear LA Calif, actress (Stacy-T.J. Hooker)
1965 Fresh Prince [Will Smith], rapper/actor (Wild Wild West, Men In Black)
1967 Lezlie Lund Tolna ND, Miss ND-America (1991)



Deaths which occurred on September 25:
0813 al-Amin, Arabic Caliph of Islam (809-813), murdered
1066 Harald III Hardrada, king of Norway and England (1047-66), dies in battle at 51
1525 Johannes Pistorius, [Bakker], RC pastor/church reformer, burned at 26
1680 Samuel Butler, poet/satirist, dies
1849 Johann Baptist Strauss, elder, composer (Radetzky March), dies at 45
1867 Oliver Loving cattle pioneer dies of gangrene (Goodnight Loving trail)
1918 John Ireland, Irish/US archbishop of St Paul, dies at 80
1945 Bela Bartok, composer, dies at 64
1959 S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike Ceylon's PM, assassinated by a Buddhist monk
1960 Emily Post etiquette expert, dies at 86
1975 Bob Considine newscaster (Tonight! America After Dark), dies at 68
1984 Walter Pidgeon New Brunswick Canada, actor (MGM-Mrs Miniver, Madame Curie), dies at 87 after a series of strokes
1988 Billy Carter Pres Carter's brother Billy, dies of cancer at 51
1991 Klaus Barbie, Gestapo chief/torturer of Lyon, dies of cancer at 77




Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

Iraq
25-Sep-2003 3 | US: 3 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Sergeant 1st Class Robert E. Rooney Shuabai Port Non-hostile - vehicle accident
US Specialist Kyle G. Thomas Kirkuk/Tikrit? - At Ta'mim Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack
US Captain Robert L. Lucero Tikrit - Salah ad Din Hostile - hostile fire - bomb

25-Sep-2004 3 | US: 3 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Specialist Robert Oliver Unruh Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Specialist Clifford L. Moxley Jr. Baghdad Non-hostile - illness - died in sleep
US Specialist David W. Johnson Baghdad (2 mi. S of Taji) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack



Afghanistan
A GOOD DAY


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Data research by Pat Kneisler
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On this day...
1066 Battle of Stampford Bridge King Harold Godwinson II of England, beaten by his brother King Harold Hardrada of Norway
1396 The last great Christian crusade, led jointly by John the Fearless of Nevers and King Sigismund of Hungary, ends in disaster at the hands of Sultan Bajazet I's Ottoman army at Nicopolis.
1492 Crewman on the Pinta sights "land"-a few weeks early
1493 Columbus sails on 2nd voyage to America
1513 Vasco Nunez de Balboa is the 1st European to see the Pacific Ocean
1639 1st printing press in America
1690 Publick Occurrences, 1st US (Boston) newspaper, publish 1st & last ed
1775 American Revolutionary War hero Ethan Allen captured
1777 English general William Howe "conquers" Philadelphia
1789 Congress proposes Bill of Rights (10 of 12 will ratify)
1804 12th amendment to the US constitution, regulating judicial power
1861 Secretary of US Navy authorizes enlistment of slaves
1867 Congress creates 1st all black university, Howard U in Wash DC
1882 1st baseball doubleheader (Providence & Worcester)
1888 Start of Sherlock Holmes "The Hound of the Baskervilles" (BG)
1890 Congress establishes Yosemite National Park (Calif)
1904 A New York City police officer ordered a female passenger in an automobile on Fifth Avenue to stop smoking a cigarette. A male companion was arrested and later fined two dollars for "abusing" the officer.
1908 Cubs' Ed Reulbach becomes only pitcher to throw Doubleheader shutout
1911 Ground breaking begins in Boston for Fenway Park
1919 Pres Wilson becomes seriously ill & collapses after a speech
1924 Malcolm Campbell sets world auto speed record at 146.16 MPH
1926 Henry Ford announces the 8 hour, 5-day work week
1926 International slavery convention signed by 20 states
1926 NHL grants franchises to Chicago Black Hawks & Detroit Red Wings
1934 Lou Gehrig plays in his 1500th consecutive game
1934 Rainbow (US) beats Endeavour (England) in 16th America's Cup

1939 Versailles Peace Treaty forgot to include Andorra, so Andorra & Germany finally sign an official treaty ending WW I

1940 German High Commissioner in Norway sets up Vidikun Quisling government
1956 1st transatlantic telephone cable goes into operation
1957 300 US Army troops guard 9 black kids return to Central HS in Ark
1957 Soviet 7 year plan (1959-1965) announced
1959 President Eisenhower and Soviet Premier Khrushchev begin Camp David talks.
1959 Mob assassins shoot Little Augie Carfano to death in New York City on Meyer Lansky's orders. (It's just business)
1962 A black church is destroyed by fire in Macon Georgia
1962 Sonny Liston KOs Floyd Patterson in 1st round for heavyweight title
1962 Weatherly (US) beats Gretel (Aust) in 19th running of America's Cup
1965 Beatle cartoon show begins in the US
1966 Smallest Yankee stadium crowd, 413 see White Sox win 4-1
1970 Ringo releases his "Beaucoups of Blues" album
1973 3-man crew of Skylab II make safe splashdown in Pacific after 59 days
1973 Willie Mays night at Shea Stadium
1974 Scientists warn that continued use of aerosol sprays will cause ozone depletion, which will lead to an increased risk of skin cancer and global weather changes. (WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!)
1980 Chevy Chase calls Cary Grant a homo on Tomorrow show (suit follows)
1981 Rolling Stones begin their 6th US tour (JFK Stadium, Phila)
1981 Sandra Day O'Connor sworn in as 1st female supreme court justice
1983 Bob Forsch pitches 2nd career no-hitter, Cards beat Expos 3-0
1984 Jordan announced it would restore relations with Egypt, something no Arab country had done since 17 Arab nations broke relations with Cairo over the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty of 1979.
1986 Antonin Scalia appointed to the Supreme Court
1990 Saddam Hussein warns US will repeat Vietnam experience
1990 UN Security Council vote 14-1 to impose air embargo against Iraq
1992 A judge in Orlando, Fla., granted 12-year-old Gregory Kingsley's precedent-setting petition to "divorce" his mother, & live with his foster parents, he takes name Shawn Russ
1993 Three U.S. soldiers were killed in Somalia when their helicopter was shot down.
2000 Vojislav Kostunica claims victory in weekend elections over incumbent Slobodan Milosevic. Milosevic refused to accept the results.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Rwanda : Government Day/National Assembly Day/Referendum Day
US : Pacific Ocean Day (1513)
US : Gold Star Mother's Day (Last Sunday in September)
National Singles Week (Day 6)
National Sports Junkie Week (Day 6)
National Rehabilitation Week (Day 6)
National Comic Book Day
Library Card Sign-Up Month


Religious Observances
Ang, Luth : Commemoration of Sergius, abbot of Holy Trinity, Moscow
Russian Orthodox : Feast of Saint Sergius of Radonezh
Feast of St. Cleophus, martyr


Religious History
1555 The Peace of Augsburg was signed, resolving bitter disputes between Protestants and Catholics in the German states. Its wider significance, however, meant that both the political unity of Germany and the medieval unity of Christendom was permanently dissolved.
1789 The establishment of religion on a national level was expressly prohibited in the U.S. with the adoption of the First Amendment, the opening words of which read: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Final ratification of the First Amendment came in 1791.
1872 Death of Peter Cartwright, 87, early American Methodist circuit rider. Converted at age 29, Cartwright possessed a rough, uneducated and eccentric personality; but he spent over 50 of his 87 years spreading the Gospel through the Midwestern frontiers of Kentucky and Illinois.
1890 Polygamy was officially banned by the Mormon Church. (This announcement followed on the heels of an 1890 Supreme Court ruling denying all privileges of U.S. citizenship to Mormons who practiced this outlawed form of marriage.)
1908 Death of English Old Testament textual scholar Henry A. Redpath, 60. From 1892-1906, Redpath and Edwin Hatch compiled "A Concordance to the Septuagint and Other Greek Versions of the Old Testament"-- still in print today!

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Germans break shower record

Seven Germans have broken the world shower record after standing under running water for more than four days.
The five men and two women, aged between 17 and 25, from Hoevelhof, showered for over 101 hours to break the 100 hour record set in 2000 by a group of Berliners.

The rules of the record attempt allowed the group just a 10-minute break every hour and a number of the swimwear-clad participants slept standing up under the shower.
Ten people began the wet feat on Wednesday, with three dropping out on Saturday.
A 17-year-old boy who managed to stay under the shower for the longest won £1,360.

Marion Sander, spokeswoman for the Hotel Victoria where the event took place said afterwards: "The participants are physically in good health, but very tired. We'll now register their successful attempt with the Guinness Book or Records."


Thought for the day :
"The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past."
William Faulkner


8 posted on 09/25/2005 8:04:30 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Morning Glory . . . Go Air Force!


9 posted on 09/25/2005 8:31:01 AM PDT by w_over_w (How can we have global warming and be polarized at the same time?)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; alfa6; Professional Engineer; Samwise; Wneighbor; radu; Valin; ...

Good morning everyone.
Sunday prayers for safety for all.

10 posted on 09/25/2005 8:49:08 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it

Doh, snippy, is this your puppy?? Sweet little guy/gal.


11 posted on 09/25/2005 8:56:31 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-Gram.


12 posted on 09/25/2005 9:00:52 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey, didja know a storm was coming to Texas?)
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To: snippy_about_it; All
Sunday Bumpus Maximus for the Freeper Foxhole

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

13 posted on 09/25/2005 9:24:22 AM PDT by alfa6 (I know they are Zoomies, haven't found a Navy one yet...hope I don't)
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To: Professional Engineer; Valin; bentfeather; All

Regards he he he

alfa6 ;>}

14 posted on 09/25/2005 9:28:24 AM PDT by alfa6 (I know they are Zoomies, haven't found a Navy one yet...hope I don't)
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To: bentfeather

Yep, that's our boy Sarge. He was born on the 4th of July. We've had him about 3 weeks now. Boy is he a handful!


15 posted on 09/25/2005 9:30:26 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Bombardier
We should go back to the classic star....pride never changes.

I agree with you. So much history is in the old symbols and patches from when it was the AAF. This "new" symbol just doesn't stir anything inside up. Maybe we're getting old. :-(

16 posted on 09/25/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
The Air Force symbol was introduced in January 2000.

I hate the current symbol, along with the current slogans used by all the services.

What was wrong with "Aim High"? I'm sure there are a number of mumbo jumbo answers. All of them total BS. The real answer to me, is X42 vs Reagan.

17 posted on 09/25/2005 9:36:34 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey, didja know a storm was coming to Texas?)
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To: alfa6

ROFLMAO!!!


18 posted on 09/25/2005 9:37:47 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey, didja know a storm was coming to Texas?)
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To: Bombardier
We should go back to the classic star....pride never changes.

Nice summary. The new symbol sucks.

19 posted on 09/25/2005 9:48:49 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey, didja know a storm was coming to Texas?)
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To: Bombardier
We should go back to the classic star....pride never changes.

Some traditions are best not messed with.

20 posted on 09/25/2005 9:56:19 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Pornography? We don't even have a pornograph!)
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To: alfa6

LOL!


21 posted on 09/25/2005 9:57:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Pornography? We don't even have a pornograph!)
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To: Valin
1951 Mark Hamill Oakland Calif, actor (Star Wars)

He should have used the Force.


22 posted on 09/25/2005 12:30:36 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey, didja know a storm was coming to Texas?)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather

Bittygirl likes oranges, watermelon and cantaloupe alot.
She keeps going for lemon despite the scrunched up face.
She does NOT like pasta which comes from dad's plate after being spiked with Tabasco. Oops.


23 posted on 09/25/2005 12:36:37 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey, didja know a storm was coming to Texas?)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good rainey afternoon here in Memphis.


24 posted on 09/25/2005 12:46:03 PM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: Bombardier

I agree and I have your boots on my shelf.



Clouds and Thunder Guy.


25 posted on 09/25/2005 3:08:07 PM PDT by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: larryjohnson

Hey larry, long time no see.


26 posted on 09/25/2005 7:56:13 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

In the spirit of Comic Book Guy, all I got to say is...

WORST.... LOGO.... EVER!


27 posted on 09/25/2005 9:09:17 PM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: gridlock
WORST.... LOGO.... EVER!

I think so, it does nothing to invoke emotion which I think it should. It's boring.

28 posted on 09/26/2005 8:35:06 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

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29 posted on 11/15/2005 4:20:58 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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30 posted on 11/15/2005 4:21:06 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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31 posted on 11/15/2005 4:21:14 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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32 posted on 11/15/2005 4:21:27 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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33 posted on 11/15/2005 4:21:36 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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34 posted on 11/15/2005 4:21:44 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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