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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Sonderkraftfahrzeuge 251 Series Halftrack 10/11/2005
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Posted on 10/10/2005 9:03:44 PM PDT by alfa6



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Sd. Kfz. 251 Series Halftrack

A half-track is a civilian or military vehicle with regular wheels on the front for steering, and caterpillar tracks on the back to propel the vehicle and carry most of the load. The purpose of this combination is to produce a vehicle with the cross-country capabilities of a tank and the handling of a wheeled vehicle.



In 1911 the French engineer Adolphe Kégresse converted a number of cars from the personal car park of Czar of Russia as half-tracks. From 1916 onward there was a Russian project by the Putilov plant to produce military half-tracks along the same lines using trucks and French track parts.



Half-tracks were used extensively in World War II by all sides, especially the Germans and Americans, but fell out of favor soon after, replaced with fully-tracked or fully-wheeled vehicles. Half-tracks were used primarily as armored personnel carriers, but also saw duty as mortar carriers, self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, self-propelled anti-tank guns, artillery haulers, armored fighting vehicles and many other tasks. One notable user of half tracks after WW-II was the Israel Defense Forces who used half tracks until just recently.



The Sonderkraftfahrzeuge, or "special vehicle" series were invaluable multi-purpose vehicles used throughout the war as support vehicles. The SdKfz 250 and 251 models were used as troop carriers that accompanied tanks into battle and were armed with machine guns, mortars or rockets called Wurfrahmen. This made them an excellent mobile artillery unit but their weak armor made them easy targets for tanks, heavy machine guns, or even grenades.



While Panzer Divisions were first being developed requirements were given for a personnel carrier that was armored and could carry the infantry into battle. In 1935 it was suggested that an armored body could be placed on a medium half track tractor. The SdKfz 11 became the basis for the chassis of the Sd. Kfz. 251 series



Produced by Hanomag, but the hull and superstructure were built by Büssing-NAG. 22 different models made. A brief listing of some of the models follows.

SdKfz 251/1 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen: Crew of 11. Had 2 7.92 mm MG34s and 1 MG34 or MG42, with 2,010 rounds.

SdKfz 251-1 with a Medic at work


SdKfz 251/1 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (Wurfrahmen 40): Crew of 7. Had 2 MG34s or MG42s. Had 5: 28cm Sprengranate (HE round) and 1: 32cm Flammgranate (incendiary round). After France in 1940 J. Gast KG, Berlin were ordered to create a projector for the Wurfgerät 40. The elevation was +5° to +40°. Firing took 10 seconds and the range of 1.9 km for Sprengranate and 2.2 km for Flammgranate.

Nicknamed "Walking Stuka" or "Bellowing Cow"





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1 posted on 10/10/2005 9:03:51 PM PDT by alfa6
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SdKfz 251/2 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (Granatwerfer), Gerät 892: 81 mm GrW34 mortar was installed in the floor with 66 rounds. Also a 7.92 mm MG34 or MG42 with 2,010 rounds. A baseplate was also stored so that mortar could be removed from vehicle and fired. Only had rear MG.

SdKfz 251/4 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (IG), Gerät 904: Had a 7.92 mm MG34 with 1,100 rounds installed. Intended to tow 105 mm le FH18 howitzer (Another source says for the 7.5 cm leIG18, 120 rounds also carried). Was replaced by the SdKfz 251/9. SdKfz 251/5 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (PI), Gerät 905: Had 2 7.92 mm MG34 with 4,800 rounds installed. Also had FuG8 and FuG4 installed. Built until 1943.

SdKfz 251/6 mittlere Kommandopanzerwagen:Had a 7.92 mm MG34 with 1,100 rounds installed. Used by headquarters staff. Had FuG11 and FuG Tr 100mw installed, cipher equipment, and map tables. Produced until 1943. SdKfz 251/7 mittlere Pionierpanzerwagen, Gerät 907: Had 2 7.92 mm MG34 or MG42 with 4,800 rounds and a 7.92 mm PzB39 with 40 rounds installed. Had a FuG5 installed. Pionier-Geräte-Schützenpanzerwagen (engineering assault vehicle). Had a small bridge that would be built over small ditches. The sections would be carried in the racks on top. Also had demolition equipment and inflatable assault boats.

SdKfz 251/8 mittlere Krankenpanzerwagen, Gerät 908: Armored ambulance that was designed to carry 2 stretcher cases and 4 seated wounded. Later models had redesigned doors to allow for easy entry and exit. Had a FuG5 when it was issued to HQ Company or Panzer detachment.

SdKfz 251/9 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (7.5cm), Gerät 909: Had a 7.5cm KwK37 L/24 installed with 52 rounds and 2 7.92 mm MG34 or MG42 with 2,010 rounds.Büssing-NAG was ordered to develop an armored superstructure on March 31, 1942. In June 1942, 2 prototypes were field tested in Russia and as a result 150 were ordered. In 1944 a new design of mounting the gun was introduced.

Sometimes called Stummel (stump).

SdKfz 251/10 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (3.7cm PaK), Gerät 910: Had a 3.7cm PaK 35/36 with 168 rounds, a 7.92 mm MG34 or MG42 with 1,100 rounds, and a 7.92 mm PzB39 with 40 rounds. There were different versions of the PaK shields.

SdKfz 251/16 mittlere Flammpanzerwagen, Gerät 916: Had 2 1.4cm Flammenwerfer on each side with 700 liters of fuel and 2 7.92 mm MG34 or MG42 with 2,010 rounds. Delivery started in January 1943.Had a range of about 60m (another source says 35m). Could fire about 80 bursts up to 2 seconds each. Earlier versions also had a 7mm Flammwerfer 42, which was a portable projector attached to a 10m hose.


2 posted on 10/10/2005 9:19:38 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: alfa6

Viel Danke. I have been suffering Foxhole withdrawal this week.


3 posted on 10/10/2005 9:21:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: alfa6
SdKfz 251/17 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (2cm), Gerät 917: AA model with antiaircraft gun installed with sides that folded outwards. Similar to this Sd.Kfz.10 model

SdKfz 251/22 mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (7.5cm PaK40), Gerät 922: Had a 7.5cm PaK 40 L/46 with 22 rounds installed. Production began in December 1944 based on an order from Hitler. The complete PaK40 was installed, except the wheels. Some vehicles didn't have sidewalls.

That is all for tonight. More German half tracks in a week or two

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

4 posted on 10/10/2005 9:26:11 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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Curses forget the Educational Sources:

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/half_tracks/sdKfz251.html (WW-2 vehicles)

http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/germanarmor.html (German Armor)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8141/halftracks.html (Halftracks)

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/germany/index.htm (OMWAR)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

5 posted on 10/10/2005 9:38:04 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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6 posted on 10/10/2005 9:39:00 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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7 posted on 10/10/2005 9:41:59 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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Sonderkraftfahrzeuge

That reads to me as special heavy-duty vehicle (lit. special strong out craft).

Help?

8 posted on 10/10/2005 9:42:46 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: alfa6; snippy_about_it

Would the lovely and gracious snippy be so kind as to ping the
Treadhead List for me, Please>>>

And yes I know it's not Saturday, sheeeesh

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9 posted on 10/10/2005 9:46:04 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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You're doing the Foxhole, wonderful! Good job, by the way.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 9:47:03 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Petronski

Well that's what the web page I researched it from said. I think, any ways that's my story and I am sticking to it :-}

Would "Schutzenpamzerwagen" fit the abbreviation Sd.Kfz. better.

Hopefully Michael81Dus can straighten me out???

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


11 posted on 10/10/2005 9:51:18 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; All

Your Welcome

Only now and then. When you type as fast as I don't it is an all night affair ;-)

Got hit the sack as I have to go to work tommorrow for a training class on how to operate a man lift.

Regards

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12 posted on 10/10/2005 9:54:28 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: alfa6

Nighty night. See you tomorrow.


13 posted on 10/10/2005 10:04:44 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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148 posted on 08/24/2004 11:39:45 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)

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14 posted on 10/10/2005 10:36:58 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Nice job alfa6.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 10:46:48 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6
Would "Schutzenpanzerwagen" fit the abbreviation Sd.Kfz. better.

No. That's a Guards' battle vehicle, or in this case, a Scouts' battle vehicle. (Probably like an armored personnel carrier; filling the role of a modern armored HMMV.)

16 posted on 10/10/2005 10:47:59 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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Good Job alfa6. The German half-tracks weren't as "good" as the American series but the sure looked cool. They had so many variations that maintenance must have been a nightmare. There were also never enough to go around.


17 posted on 10/10/2005 10:48:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen, now even down is up)
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To: alfa6

Lit: guards' armored vehicle.


18 posted on 10/10/2005 10:49:20 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski
special heavy-duty vehicle

That's about as close as it gets. :-)

19 posted on 10/10/2005 10:50:07 PM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen, now even down is up)
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To: alfa6

Oh heaven's yes, don't get me wrong. It's an excellent thread. I'm only making amateurish inquiries about the German terminology and its translation.


20 posted on 10/10/2005 10:51:00 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Evening Victoria.

Told you the FOxhole would still be around. ;-)

If I ever get the time I'll even finish the Thread I have started.


21 posted on 10/10/2005 10:52:18 PM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen, now even down is up)
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To: alfa6; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Yahooooooo!!! Looks like the demise of the Foxhole are greatly exaggerated.

My first glimpse of a half-track came from old Sgt. Rock Comic books - back when they cost a dime.


22 posted on 10/10/2005 11:43:47 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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Ya done good. Pleasant surprise. Thought Treadhead Tuesday was no more. Thanks.


23 posted on 10/10/2005 11:50:40 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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Good morning alfa6 and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.


24 posted on 10/11/2005 3:03:46 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: alfa6

Good morning every one.


25 posted on 10/11/2005 4:00:26 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: alfa6

October 11, 2005

Counterfeit Reality

Read:
2 Timothy 3:1-5,12-17

Evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. —2 Timothy 3:13

Bible In One Year: Nehemiah 4-6

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Centuries before such modern technology, the apostle Paul warned Timothy about counterfeit reality in the church. He said that in the last days people would be self-absorbed, "having a form of godliness but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:5). He repeatedly emphasized the need to live a godly life, warning that "evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" (v.13).

Paul charged Timothy to "continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of" (v.14). True godliness honors and obeys God while its counterfeit seeks pleasure and personal gain. One pleases the Lord; the other gratifies natural desire. Both are identified by their actions.

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26 posted on 10/11/2005 4:36:53 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: SAMWolf

Actually, in one critical area they were better. The armor [what there is] is sloped , adding to the occupants' survivability. On US half ttracks, the plate is vertical.


27 posted on 10/11/2005 6:04:29 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: alfa6

On this Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on October 11:
1671 Frederik IV king of Denmark/Norway (1699-1730)
1759 Mason Locke Weems, preacher (Episcopalian clergyman). (invented the story of George Washington and the cherry tree)
1820 Alfred Washington Ellet Brig General (Union volunteers), died in 1895
1821 Sir George Williams England, founder YMCA
1825 Elkanah Brackin Greer Brig General (Confederate Army), died in 1877
1835 Hunter Holmes McGuire Med Director (Confederate Army), died in 1900
1844 Henry John Heinz founded prepared-foods company (57 varieties)
1872 Harlan Fiske Stone NH, Supreme Court (1925-41) Chief Justice (41-46)
1884 Eleanor Roosevelt 1st lady/crusader
1896 Roman Jakobson linguist/Slavic scholar (Fundamentals of Language)
1902 Leon Belasco Odessa Russia, actor (Lucky Partners, My Sister Eileen)
1906 Earl "Dutch" Clark Colo, NFL hall of fame QB (Spartans, Detroit)
1910 Joseph Alsop political newspaper columnist (Men Around the President)
1914 Edward J Day US Postmaster General (1961)
1918 Jerome Robbins choreographer/composer (Tony-West Side Story)
1919 Art Blakey Pitts Pa, drummer (Billy Eckstine Band)
1925 Elmore Leonard American writer (Glitz, Mr Majestyk)
1932 Dottie West Tenn, country singer (Here Comes My Baby)
1936 Charles Gordon Fullerton Roch, USAF/ast (STS T-1, T-3, T-5, 3, 51F)
1937 Ron Leibman NYC, actor (Norma Rae, Where's Poppa?, Beauty & Beast)
1943 Gene Watson country singer (Heartaches, Love & Stuff)
1948 Daryl Hall rocker/songwriter (Hall & Oates-Sara Smile)
1962 Joan Cusack Evanston Ill, comedienne (SNL)
1962 Leslie Landon LA Calif, actress (Etta Plum-Little House on Prairie)
1971 Luke Perry Mansfield Ohio, actor (Dillon-Beverly Hill 90210)
1975 Kellie Martin actress (Life Goes On)



Deaths which occurred on October 11:
0732 Abd ar-Rahman Yemenite general strategist (Bordeaux occupier), dies
1303 Boniface VIII, [Benedetto Gaetani], lawyer/pope (1294-1303), dies
1424 Jan Zizka, Czech (army)leader (Hussite), dies of plague at 46
1531 Huldrych Zwingli, Swiss church reformer (Zwinglian), dies
1779 General Casimir Pulaski dies
1809 Meriwether Lewis capt of Lewis & Clark Expedition, dies at 35
1891 Charles Stewart Parnells remains, buried in Ireland
1961 Leonard "Chico" Marx (Marx Brothers), dies at 74
1985 Orson Welles dies at 70 of a heart attack
1985 Tex Williams country-western singer, dies at 68 of cancer
1988 Waylon Flowers puppeteer, dies at 48
1990 Douglas Edwards WW II correspondant, dies of cancer at 73
1991 Redd Foxx comedian, dies at 68 from a heart attack


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GWOT Casualties

Iraq
11-Oct-2004 4 | US: 4 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Private 1st Class Aaron J. Rusin Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - sniper
US Staff Sergeant Michael Lee Burbank Mosul (SW part) - Ninawa Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb
US Private 1st Class Anthony W. Monroe Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - rocket attack
US Sergeant Pamela G. Osbourne Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - rocket attack



Afghanistan
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On this day...
0732 Battle at Tours: Franks under Charles (the hammer) Martel defeats Moors
1492 Columbus' ships sight land on the horizon (Bahamas)
1521 Pope Leo X titles King Henry VIII of England "Defender of the Faith"
1531 The Catholics defeat the Protestants at Kappel during Switzerland's second civil war.
1643 Battle at Wincebt: English New Model-army defeats royalists
1737 Earthquake kills 300,000 & destroys much of Calcutta India (And where was George Bush?)
1776 Brig Gen Arnold's Lake Champlain fleet defeated by British

1779 Polish nobleman Casimir Pulaski was killed while fighting for American independence during the Revolutionary War Battle of Savannah, Ga.

1811 The Juliana, the 1st steam-powered ferryboat, begins operation
1861 Battle of Dumfries, VA (Quantico Creek)
1862 The Confederate Congress in Richmond passes a draft law allowing anyone owning 20 or more slaves to be exempt from military service.
1863 Skirmish at Rheatown/Henderson's Mill, Tennessee
1864 Slavery abolished in Maryland
1865 Pres Johnson paroles CSA VP Alexander Stephens
1868 Thomas Alva Edison filed papers for his first invention: an Electrical Vote Recorder, to rapidly tabulate floor votes in Congress. Members of Congress rejected it.
1877 Outlaw Wild Bill Longley, who killed at least a dozen men, is hanged, but it took two tries; on the first try, the rope slipped and his knees drug the ground.
1890 1st 100 yard dash under 10 seconds (John Owens 9-4/5 secs, Wash DC)
1890 Daughters of the American Revolution founded
1913 Phila A's beat NY Giants, 4 games to 1 in 10th World Series
1914 German troops occupy Gent
1915 Bulgarian anti Serbian offensive begins
1919 1st transcontinental air race ends
1922 1st woman FBI "special investigator" appointed (Alaska Davidson)
1923 German mark falls to 10 billion per œ, 4 billion per $
1925 NY Giants play 1st NFL game, lose to Providence 14-0
1927 Lou Gehrig elected MVP
1931 100,000 extreme-right Germans form "Harzburger Front"
1932 1st political telecast (Democratic National Committee) at CBS, NYC
1936 "Professor Quiz", 1st radio quiz show premieres
1939 Albert Einstein wrote his famous letter to FDR about the potential of the atomic bomb.
1942 Battle of Cape Esperance in the Solomon Islands, U.S. cruisers and destroyers decisively defeat a Japanese task force in a night surface encounter
1945 Chinese civil war begins, Chiang Kai-Shek vs Mao Tse-Tung
1961 USAF Major Robert M White takes X-15 to 66,100 m
1962 2nd Vatican Council (21st ecumenical) convened by Pope John XXIII
1967 Yoko Plus Me art exhibit opens in London (the me is John Lennon)
1968 Apollo 7 the first manned Apollo mission, was launched with astronauts Wally Schirra, Donn Fulton Eisele and R. Walter Cunningham aboard,made 163 orbits in 260 hours
1968 Billy Martin named manager of Twins
1969 Soyuz 6 launched; Soyuz 7 & 8 follow in next 2 days
1971 Frank McGee becomes news anchor of the Today Show
1972 Prison uprising at Washington DC jail

1975 "Saturday Night Live" premieres with guest host George Carlin

1975 Bill Clinton marries Hillary Rodham (A marriage made somewhat lower than heaven)
1976 Mao TseTung widow Jiang Qing & "Gang of Four," arrested & charged with plotting a coup
1975 Islander's Bryan Trottier's 1st career hat trick
1977 Soyuz 25 returns to Earth
1978 Aristides Royo elected president of Panama
1979 Allan McLeod Cormack & Godfrey Newbold Hounsfield win Nobel Prize for medicine for developing the CAT scan
1980 Cosmonauts Popov & Ryumin set space endurance record of 184 days
1981 LeRoy Irvin sets yards gained on punt returns record (207 yds)
1981 Unknown rocker Prince opens for Rolling Stones at LA Coliseum (That would be Minnesota's own Prince)
1982 English ship Mary Rose, which sank during an engagement with France in 1545, raised at Portsmouth, England
1983 Last hand-cranked telephones US went out of service as 440 telephone customers in Bryant Pond, Maine, were switched over to direct-dial
1984 VP candidate debate-Geraldine Ferraro (D) & George Bush (R)
1985 Pres Reagan bans importation of South African Krugerrands

1986 Reagan & Gorbachev open talks at a summit in Reykjavik, Iceland

1987 200,000 gays march for civil rights in Washington
1990 Center for Urban archaeology opens in NYC South Street Seaport Museum
1990 Oil hits a record $40.42 per barrel
1991 Anita Hill testifies Clarence Thomas sexually harrassed her
1991 Chip Beck ties PGA lowest 18 hole score of 59
1996 Roman Catholic Bishop Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo and Jose Ramos-Horta of East Timor won the Nobel Peace Prize for their pro-democracy efforts in troubled East Timor where famine and repression had killed one-third of the entire population.
1998 Pope John Paul II decreed the first Jewish-born saint of the modern era: Edith Stein, a nun killed in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

2000 Celera Genomics announces the completion of the mapping of the lab mouse’s genome.

2001 NYC Mayor Giuliani rejects a $10 million donation from Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal due to an attached press release that said the US should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause.
2003 A team of 18 doctors in Dallas, Texas, began a complicated separation surgery in an attempt to give Ahmed and Mohamed Ibrahim, 2-year-old conjoined twins from Egypt, a chance at independent lives.
2004 Swiss paleontologists said hundreds of dinosaur prints dating back 152 million years (10 months, 14 days, 4 hours 47 minutes 19 seconds) have been discovered in the Jura mountains in the northwest of Switzerland.


Holidays
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Panama, Panama Canal Zone : Revolution Day (1968)
Sri Lanka : Deepavali
US : General Pulaski Memorial Day (1779)
Western Samoa : National Day
Canada : Thanksgiving Day
Florida : Farmers' Day (1915)
Hawaii : Discoverer's Day
US : Columbus Day (1492)
Take Your Teddy Bear to Work Day
Virgin Is & Puerto Rico : Friendship Day
Get Organized Week Ends
Mental Illness Awareness Week Ends
Kiss Your Car Day
Value of Play Month
National Sarcastics' Awareness Month


Religious Observances
RC : Commemoration of the Motherhood of Mary
RC : Commemoration of St Mary Soledad, foundress of Handmaidens of Mary
Jewish : Sukkot


Religious History
1521 Leo X conferred the title "Fidei Defensor" (Defender of the Faith) upon England's Henry VIII. Three popes and 13 years later, Henry severed all ties with Rome to establish the Church of England.
1551 The 13th Session of the Council of Trent opened, during which major decisions were reached regarding the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist.
1895 Birth of Avis B. Christiansen, devotional author. One of the most prolific hymnwriters of the 20th century, two of her most enduring hymns today are "Up Calvary's Mountain" and "Precious Hiding Place."
1914 During World War I, the Cathedral of Notre Dame suffered minor damage during an air raid on Paris. (Notre Dame, the most famous of the Gothic cathedrals of the Middle Ages, is distinguished for both its size and antiquity.)
1954 Presbyterian apologist Francis Schaeffer wrote in a letter: 'Doctrinal rightness and rightness of ecclesiastical position are important, but only as a starting point to go on into a living relationship -- and not as ends in themselves.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Candidate Nabbed for DWI Twice in 3 Hours

Oct 10, 7:42 PM (ET)


VERNON, N.Y. (AP) - A first-time candidate for public office was arrested twice in a three-hour span for driving drunk, authorities said Monday.
Brian E. Karst, 34, who is running for Oneida Common Council as an independent candidate was arrested Friday night by Oneida County Sheriff's Deputy Mark Chrysler and ticketed for numerous traffic violations. Sobriety tests revealed his blood alcohol content was 0.14 percent, nearly twice the legal limit of 0.08, deputies said.

After his arrest, Karst was released to a third party.
Less than three hours later, Chrysler pulled Karst over again - driving the same car as before. This time, Karst's blood alcohol content was 0.11, deputies said.
Deputies said Karst also was arrested for driving while intoxicated on Sept. 9.

A message on Karst's phone Monday said he was not taking messages. His uncle, Terry Karst, said his nephew has been under stress after a divorce and a custody dispute.

Terry Karst, who is chairman of the Independence Party in neighboring Madison County, said he would encourage his nephew to stay in the race against two-term Democratic incumbent Donald Moore so voters have a choice.
"When you have a president caught having sex with an intern or lying under oath, how's that compare? These are working people, not elitist politicians. They make mistakes. They put their pants on one leg at a time, and they make mistakes," Terry Karst said.


Thought for the day :
"Mustard's no good without roast beef."
Leonard "Chico" Marx


28 posted on 10/11/2005 6:11:41 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: alfa6; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor; Valin; Iris7; SAMWolf; ...
Good morning ladies and gents.


29 posted on 10/11/2005 6:11:59 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to the Undead Foxhole.)
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To: Professional Engineer

HA HA! Beat ya! 8:11:41. Yeah I'm pretty great! And did I mention how humble I am? Well that's because I am.


30 posted on 10/11/2005 6:16:31 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Mornin,
Is that a Popeye bobblehead on the dash? LOL.


31 posted on 10/11/2005 6:18:43 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: alfa6

Can I get one of those in purple? People would quit cutting me off in traffic if I had one of those babies. :^)

Thanks for the thread!


32 posted on 10/11/2005 6:19:18 AM PDT by Samwise (The media is "stuck on stupid.")
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To: alfa6

Great post. Thank you so much for taking the time.


33 posted on 10/11/2005 6:21:33 AM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: Diver Dave

Burried somewhere, I have issues 200, 300 and 400. Not worth anything, I read them to death rather then "collect" them.


34 posted on 10/11/2005 6:23:46 AM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: Peanut Gallery; Professional Engineer

I thought it was Dudley Do-Right.


35 posted on 10/11/2005 6:24:47 AM PDT by Samwise (The media is "stuck on stupid.")
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To: Peanut Gallery; Samwise

It looks like a Marine bulldog to me.


36 posted on 10/11/2005 6:28:31 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Welcome to the Undead Foxhole.)
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To: Steelerfan

How many of us grew up reading Sgt. Rock, Navy at War, Army at War...etc?


37 posted on 10/11/2005 7:15:34 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: alfa6; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Folks,

Happy Treadhead Tuesday and God bless you.

XOXOX

38 posted on 10/11/2005 7:30:03 AM PDT by w_over_w (GO ASTROS!!! Make it to the big one . . . this time?)
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To: alfa6

Ah! Nice job Alfa6! Foxhole withdrawl symptoms are easing up now.


39 posted on 10/11/2005 7:45:46 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("There is no Hell. There is only France." F. Zappa)
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To: alfa6; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Professional Engineer; msdrby; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor; ...

WOO HOO, Morning everyone, THrEADHEAD TUESDAY!! YAY.
Thanks alfa6, for keeping the tanks rolling.

40 posted on 10/11/2005 7:50:25 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (If down is up, is up, down. Feathers in the wind.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Morning, PE!!


41 posted on 10/11/2005 7:53:11 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (If down is up, is up, down. Feathers in the wind.)
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To: Petronski
Oh heaven's yes, don't get me wrong. It's an excellent thread. I'm only making amateurish inquiries about the German terminology and its translation.

Shoot you are way ahead of me, after "nien", "raus", "kaput" and "fliegerabwherkannoen" I am pretty much out of German!

Thanks for the compliment, although I think it could have been better.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

42 posted on 10/11/2005 7:56:12 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: PzLdr
Actually, in one critical area they were better. The armor [what there is] is sloped , adding to the occupants' survivability. On US half ttracks, the plate is vertical

That reminds of the story that been attributted to Gen. Bradley. Bradley asked a GI in North Africa about the armor on the half tracks and the GI said, "Naw the bullets just go through one side and kinda rattle around the inside."

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

43 posted on 10/11/2005 8:00:14 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: Professional Engineer; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; All

Since the tag on the photo ID is of Blue Angles genre and the
Marine fly the Fat Albert support craft I would have to say it is a USMC Bulldog D.I. figure.

Plus I cheated and looked at the pic under a little bit higher resolution. he, he.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


44 posted on 10/11/2005 8:09:31 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: alfa6

Thanks, Alpha6, for taking up the Foxhole...even if it's just occasionally. You did a great job!


45 posted on 10/11/2005 8:25:58 AM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior; Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the kind comments, as I go thought todays thread I see a few things I wished I had done differently.

Oh well, Maybe next time I can get it right.

Y'all have a good day

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


46 posted on 10/11/2005 8:40:51 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work.....it's a four letter word)
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To: Diver Dave; alfa6; Professional Engineer; Iris7; colorado tanker; PzLdr; snippy_about_it; ...

A kewpie doll to whoever can name the Officer in this picture. ;-)

47 posted on 10/11/2005 8:56:57 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen, now even down is up)
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To: SAMWolf

Schnell Heinz


48 posted on 10/11/2005 9:01:44 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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To: Diver Dave

Morning DD. I remember when comics were 10 cents, too. Of course back then I was buying "romance" comic books. LOL.


49 posted on 10/11/2005 9:06:21 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Hey there!


50 posted on 10/11/2005 9:07:02 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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