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Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
The Saratogian ^ | 05/26/2006 | PAUL POST,

Posted on 06/30/2006 5:03:16 PM PDT by robowombat

Who's buried in Grant's Tomb? PAUL POST, The Saratogian 05/26/2006

NEW YORK -- At a Civil War battlefield, Grant's Tomb might be one of America's most imposing memorials. In New York, overshadowed by world-famous structures such as the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building and St. Patrick's Cathedral, it's just another building.

But visitors can't help coming away impressed after seeing the 150-foot-tall monument overlooking the Hudson River, where Grant was laid to rest following his July 23, 1885 death at Wilton's Mount McGregor.

'I grew up here in New York, so to me this isn't a 'wow' building,' a park ranger said. 'But we had a visitor here from a foreign country not long ago, and I remember him saying, 'Wow!'

'This is the first neoclassical building in America that was used as a memorial. The other memorials in Washington, D.C., like the Jefferson Memorial, are patterned after this.'

In many ways, Grant's Tomb is symbolic of the great Civil War leader and 18th president of the United States.

'He doesn't get the credit he deserves,' the park ranger said.

Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation and delivered the Gettysburg Address, but without Grant's decisive victories, Lincoln might never have been elected to a second term, because the Union's war effort was going poorly before Grant took full command of the army.

When the war ended, many historians agree that Grant, not Lincoln, was the North's most popular figure, and that Lincoln was elevated to near sainthood only after his assassination.

Grant's Tomb was dedicated on April 27, 1897, the 75th anniversary of his birth. It's hard to say how it started, but the landmark is responsible for one of the most well-known riddles in America: 'Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?'

Such lighthearted quips are quickly dispelled during firsthand visits to the site.

The recently refurbished edifice is both solemn and enlightening, in the way it reminds people of the sacrifice paid by soldiers on both sides of the War Between the States.

Why New York?

'Grant liked New York City,' the park ranger said. 'He wanted to be buried next to his wife (Julia Dent Grant) and Arlington Cemetery in Washington, D.C., didn't allow spouses at the time. And it would have been difficult for Mrs. Grant to go all the way to Washington to pay respects to her husband, while she was still living. So the mayor of New York donated land for this site.'

The tomb's interior holds numerous displays explaining various stages of Grant's career as a citizen, soldier, general and statesman. Included are several photos of his final days at Mount McGregor, where thousands of people flocked to pay him homage before he died.

One shows him on the steps of Grant's Cottage surrounded by his wife, three sons, daughter and grandchildren. He finished his memoirs there only days before his death.

Grant's remains were interred in a temporary brick vault at Riverside Park, and work on the tomb didn't begin until 1892. The project cost $600,000, donated by more than 90,000 people, and took five years and 8,000 tons of granite to complete.

During dedication ceremonies, warships on the Hudson River fired guns in salute.

Grant's Tomb was designed by New York architect John Duncan, who submitted the winning entry in a contest that drew submissions from around the world. Inscribed over the front entrance, all visitors are greeted by Grant's epitaph, 'Let Us Have Peace.'

Grant's Tomb, located near Riverside Drive and West 122nd St., is open from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily. For information and a full listing of upcoming events at Grant's Tomb, visit www.nps.govgegr.

http://www.saratogian.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16696821&BRD=1169&PAG=461&dept_id=17776&rfi=6


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KEYWORDS: civilwar; usgrant

1 posted on 06/30/2006 5:03:18 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?

Jimmy Hoffa?

2 posted on 06/30/2006 5:05:20 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (There are only a few absolute truths in life, the rest are just opinion.)
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To: robowombat

It's amazing how many people don't know this.


3 posted on 06/30/2006 5:06:12 PM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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To: robowombat
Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?

I thought it was Cary Grant. Oh well. LOL
4 posted on 06/30/2006 5:08:09 PM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

Judy, Judy, Judy...


5 posted on 06/30/2006 5:14:55 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (There are only a few absolute truths in life, the rest are just opinion.)
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To: robowombat

It was Groucho Marx.


6 posted on 06/30/2006 5:21:00 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: robowombat

I thought it ws a riddle because both Grant and his wife were burried there......


7 posted on 06/30/2006 5:27:48 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: robowombat

Great military leader, one of the worst Presidents of all time. Why he's on the $50 bill is beyond me. Surely John Adams or one of the Founders should occupy the second-most valuable currency.


8 posted on 06/30/2006 5:30:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: robowombat
The Grant family came very close to removing the Gen. and the Mrs.in the late 80's, early 90's. The tomb had fallen into terrible disrepair, was covered with graffiti and was a haven for drug addicts.
9 posted on 06/30/2006 6:30:16 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: robowombat
A riddle relating to Grant's Tomb, popularized by Groucho Marx on his game show You Bet Your Life, is "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?" Though the proper answer is "nobody"—Grant and his wife are entombed, not buried—Groucho would usually accept "Grant".

From Wikipedia, but it's technically correct.  Plus, they're beneath the tomb in the crypt, not in the tomb itself, at least according to the guides who gave the spiel when I visited in grade school. 

10 posted on 06/30/2006 6:34:34 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: robowombat

Weekly World News, the B&W tabloid, has a continuous feature concerning a paranormal private eye who has his HQ "under Grant's Tomb", so the article often has a photo of Grant's Tomb. (Just thought I'd mention it, for what it's worth.)


11 posted on 07/11/2006 7:56:51 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Leaning on the everlasting arms.)
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To: Phsstpok

That was then this is now.


12 posted on 07/30/2006 8:36:53 PM PDT by rissa1312
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To: Ciexyz

So who is under it. Did they ever get around to putting him in there or not?!


13 posted on 07/30/2006 8:37:26 PM PDT by rissa1312
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To: robowombat

It's an impressive monument.

His Presidency sucked for many reasons, but he was a great Union general.


14 posted on 08/09/2006 7:56:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: InterceptPoint
"It was Groucho Marx."

LOL. Groucho used to ask that question on his game show when the dummies missed all the other questions, so that, "no-one goes home empty handed. BTW, I saw people miss that question too.

15 posted on 08/09/2006 8:09:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: robowombat; stainlessbanner

Is there a question in this article about who rotted in Grant's tomb? The article indicates it was Grant. I always figured he was transported into hell by a demon. In that scenario, an imposter lies in his grave.


16 posted on 08/11/2006 1:35:40 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Roccus

I heard the same thing - it was a very dicey area. Has it been cleaned up? Can I still score a dime bag on the steps or whatever?


17 posted on 08/11/2006 1:39:02 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

I haven't been near it since I retired in 99. The tomb was cleaned up at that time, however, I can't say if the surrounds have gotten better since then. As for scoreing, you'd be better at 116 and Amsterdam or the Popeye's on 125, but you had better be armed.


18 posted on 08/11/2006 4:13:14 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

lol! I was joking... I'm just amazed that a major monument - a president's tomb, would be allowed to be degraded like that. I don't know where Gen. Lee is buried but I bet it's not a crackhouse..


19 posted on 08/11/2006 4:22:57 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
You asked, I told. :)

When the tomb was first built this was pretty much parkland surrounded by the very wealthy. Riverside Church, Columbia, Barnard and a seminary whose name I can't remember are nearby.
20 posted on 08/11/2006 4:34:52 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Freedom4US

Also, you must remember that leading up to the clean-up under Guilliani it was subject to the whims of the Lindsey, Beame, Koch and Dinkens administrations. That's 28yrs. of neglect.
But we were Fun City and the Big Apple!


21 posted on 08/11/2006 4:39:55 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Freedom4US
General Lee is buried at Lee Chapel at Washington and Lee University.

I agree that General Grant has deserved better.

22 posted on 08/11/2006 4:45:29 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: PistolPaknMama

Thams fightin' words PPM!


23 posted on 08/12/2006 8:46:06 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Dante3
f I'm not mistaken, the Lee Mansion/Estate in Virginia is the site of Arlington National Cemetary.

Quite a History!

BTW I have a scrimshaw where the whaler documented the Chicago Fire with a scene of Chicago Burning. On the other side of the whale tooth is a political statment that asserts that the Chicago Fire was "God's Wrath" due to the evil Grant Administration. No mention of a cow!

24 posted on 09/12/2006 9:37:57 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: robowombat

Grant was a great General but a lousy President.

No Civil War buffs from the south here to spit on his grave?

;)


25 posted on 10/17/2006 4:14:11 PM PDT by Bellman_6666
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To: Bellman_6666

The myth that Grant was a bad president was revisionism created by racist historians who didn't like Grant's efforts to bring about racial reconciliation. His two terms were a period of remarkable healing and growth. With very little effort, he could have been elected to a third term, either immediately, or after his world tour.


26 posted on 03/28/2007 9:44:32 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: Roccus
I was there last year. The tomb looks great, truly inspirational. It is just off Riverside drive, and the immediate surroundings are nice. There's a park, and Riverside Church. Of course, if you wander too far, you'll end up in Harlem.

It's a bit of a trek, but worth the effort. I took the subway from downtown, which took about 20 minutes. Then, I took a bus back, which took forever, but was good sightseeing.
27 posted on 03/28/2007 10:14:06 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: stop_fascism

Is that reptillian mosaic thing still around it? Like I said, it's been at least eight years sinc I've been there.


28 posted on 03/28/2007 11:16:08 AM PDT by Roccus (Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.)
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To: Roccus

Yeah, unfortunately. It's not bad in itself, but totally out of place around the monument.


29 posted on 03/28/2007 11:20:54 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Surely John Adams or one of the Founders should occupy the second-most valuable currency.

$100,000 - Woodrow Wilson
$10,000 - Salmon P. Chase
$5,000 - James Madison
$1,000 - Grover Cleveland
$500 - William McKinley
$100 - Benjamin Franklin
$50 - Ulysses S. Grant
$20 - Andrew Jackson
$10 - Alexander Hamilton
$5 - Abraham Lincoln
$2 - Thomas Jefferson
$1 - George Washington

The most ironic of these is Andy Jackson on the $20 Federal Reserve note.

30 posted on 03/28/2007 11:24:09 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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