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The FReeper Foxhole Revisits the 57th. Bomb Wing & Operation Bingo (11-1944/4-1945)- Jan. 22nd, 2007
Originally Posted on 12/31/2003 3:00:24 AM EST by SAMWolf ^ | Frank B. Dean

Posted on 01/21/2007 6:11:53 PM PST by snippy_about_it

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To: SAMWolf

We didn't build it on Tuesday. :-(


41 posted on 01/22/2007 4:30:46 PM PST by Professional Engineer (You think herding cats is hard? Try herding Engineers.)
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To: sasportas; SAMWolf; All
I see SAMWolf has kicked in some info on the B-26 so let me see what I can come up with as a side by side comparison.

Performance numbers from Wikipedia

B-25J performance figures
* Maximum speed: 275 mph (239 knots, 442 km/h)
* Cruise speed: 230 mph (200 knots, 370 km/h)
* Combat radius: 1,350 mi (1,170 nm, 2,170 km)
* Ferry range: 2,700 mi (2,300 nm, 4,300 km)
* Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
* Rate of climb: 790 ft/min (4 m/s)
* Wing loading: 55 lb/ft² (270 kg/m²)
* Power/mass: 0.110 hp/lb (182 W/kg)

Crew: six (two pilots, navigator/bombardier, turret gunner/engineer, radio operator/waist gunner, tail gunner

Weapons
* Guns: 12× .50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns
* Bombs: 6,000 lb (2,700 kg)

B-26G perormance figures
* Maximum speed: 287 mph (250 knots, 460 km/h) at 5,000 ft (1,500 m)
* Cruise speed: 216 mph (188 knots, 358 km/h)
* Landing speed: 104 mph (90 knots, 167))
* Combat radius: 999 nm (1,150 mi, 1,850 km)
* Ferry range: 2,480 nm (2,850 mi, 4,590 km)
* Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 ft)
* Wing loading: 46.4 lb/ft² (228 kg/m²)
* Power/mass: 0.10 hp/lb (170 W/kg)
* Lift-to-drag ratio: 12.0

Crew: seven: (2 pilots, bombardier, navigator/radio operator, 3 gunners)

Weapons

* Guns: 12× .50 in (12.7 mm) Colt-Browning machine guns
* Bombs: 4,000 lb (1,800 kg)

So it looks like the B-25 has an advantage in range and bomb load vs the B-26.

The original B-26 was, for it's day, a very hot airplane with performanc efigures far in excess of the B-25. It was the high performance that gave fledging aircrews a lot of problems initially. MacDtll AFB in Florida was the home to the B-26 training unit and crashes were numerous. Things got so bad the Gen. Arnold had Jimmy Doolittle go down and check out the training as the AAF was thinking of cancelling the Marauder program. The basic problem was that a lot of the aircrew had NO twin engiine experience. Kinda like giving a 16 year kid with a new license the keys to an AC Cobra. SAMWolf covered this in #35

The B-25 on the other hand was relatively speaking a much more sedate aircraft to fly. I also suspect the the B-25 held up to battle damage a little better than the B-26 but I don't recall where I read this.

One other tidbit regards the B-26 FWIW. In the opening days of WW-II the 22nd Bomb Group was sent to Australia to help in the fight against the Japanese. They were equipped with the original shortwinged B-26As. In raids over japanese airfields on New Guinea after completing thier bomb runs the B-26sa were able to pull away from the Jap fighters. See Martian Caidan's Ragged Rugged Warriors for the full story.

Hope this helped some

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

42 posted on 01/22/2007 5:24:38 PM PST by alfa6 (Taxes are seldom levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: SAMWolf
The Glenn L. Martin Company assembly plant and modification center near Omaha was an important part of Nebraska's contribution to America's World War II effort. Over 1500 B-26 Marauder medium bombers and more than 500 B-29 Superfortresses were produced at the Martin bomber plant. (Including the enola Gay.)
43 posted on 01/22/2007 5:29:27 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: alfa6; SAMWolf

Thanks to both of you for the info. The B-26 definitely looked sleeker. And newer. But I, personally, like the rugged looks of the B-25 better, it could both dish it out and take it, my favorite. I've read somewhere that it, like the DC-3, was very versatile, the most versatile airplane of the war, in fact.


44 posted on 01/22/2007 6:33:22 PM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas
Video: How to fly the B-25.
45 posted on 01/22/2007 7:15:51 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: F-117A

Click on picture to go to website. Then click on various images to enlarge.

46 posted on 01/22/2007 7:48:52 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor; Valin; alfa6; Iris7; ...
Tuesday Bump & F-O-G for the Freeper Foxhole

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

47 posted on 01/23/2007 2:40:00 AM PST by alfa6 (Taxes are seldom levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: Soaring Feather

Great pic Soaring Feather!


48 posted on 01/23/2007 5:24:12 AM PST by The Mayor ( http://albanysinsanity.com/)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Soaring Feather; Professional Engineer; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; ...

January 23, 2007

Running From God

READ: Jonah 1:1-10

Jonah arose to flee to Tarshish from the presence of the Lord. —Jonah 1:3

Why do people run away from God? Is it because of anger, disappointment, despair, disobedience, or a web of rebellion woven from our own desires?

The book of Jonah looks at a prophet who rejected God’s call to deliver His word to the people of Nineveh. In the first chapter (vv.3,10), we read that Jonah deliberately headed for Tarshish to run away from the Lord. He knew exactly where he was going and why. After being given a second chance (3:1-2), Jonah delivered God’s message but reacted angrily when the Lord spared the repentant city (3:10–4:2).

The book ends with the Lord speaking to Jonah about His compassion: “Should I not pity Nineveh?” (4:11). But there’s no indication that the disgruntled prophet changed his attitude. The people of Nineveh repented; Jonah did not.

The story of Jonah should cause each of us to be honest about our feelings toward the Lord. Do we harbor resentment for His leniency toward people we feel deserve judgment? Have we forgotten that God has forgiven us? Are we ready to obey His call and leave the outcome to Him?

The story of Jonah illuminates our reactions to God and measures our willingness to trust Him when we can’t understand His ways.

Sometimes it’s hard to trust the Lord
When you don’t understand;
But fight the urge to run from Him—
Reach out and take His hand.  —Sper

He pleases God best who trusts Him most.


49 posted on 01/23/2007 5:25:16 AM PST by The Mayor ( http://albanysinsanity.com/)
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To: The Mayor; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Samwise; alfa6; Professional Engineer; Peanut Gallery; ...

Good morning everyone!
I ripped this picture off from alfa6, thanks alfa.

50 posted on 01/23/2007 6:46:17 AM PST by Soaring Feather (I Soar, cause I can....)
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To: Soaring Feather

Kewl!


51 posted on 01/23/2007 6:53:12 AM PST by The Mayor ( http://albanysinsanity.com/)
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To: The Mayor; alfa6

I wish I could remember the name of the ship and the country. Alfa6 posted it last year sometime.

I wrote a poem using the plane as an inspiration.


52 posted on 01/23/2007 6:55:30 AM PST by Soaring Feather (I Soar, cause I can....)
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To: alfa6

Nice comparision of the stats on the B-25 and B-26.


53 posted on 01/23/2007 9:46:38 AM PST by SAMWolf (To learn about paranoids, follow them around)
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To: F-117A

I wonder if we have the manufacturing capacity to do something like that again.


54 posted on 01/23/2007 9:47:39 AM PST by SAMWolf (To learn about paranoids, follow them around)
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To: sasportas

The B-25 looked "meaner"


55 posted on 01/23/2007 9:48:21 AM PST by SAMWolf (To learn about paranoids, follow them around)
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To: Soaring Feather

It's a C-130 can't tell if it's the Gunship version though.


56 posted on 01/23/2007 9:49:48 AM PST by SAMWolf (To learn about paranoids, follow them around)
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To: SAMWolf

I should have saved that info, but I figured you men would know. ;)


57 posted on 01/23/2007 9:51:22 AM PST by Soaring Feather (I Soar, cause I can....)
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To: F-117A

Yesh, talk about mean looking. Hate to be on the receiving end of all those 50 cal in its nose! And what is that big whatever it is, sitting lower in it's nose? Looks like a large gun of some sort.


58 posted on 01/23/2007 4:14:33 PM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas
Yesh, talk about mean looking. Hate to be on the receiving end of all those 50 cal in its nose! And what is that big whatever it is, sitting lower in it's nose? Looks like a large gun of some sort.

That's a 75mm cannon. In addition to the four 50's in the nose there are two more pointing forward on each side of the cockpit! And it looks like the top turret can bring two more to bear. If so, that's ten (10) .50-cals and a 75mm on target! Not to mention another two at the rear to clean up! The side gunners get a crack at anyone trying to get out of the way.

Click on the picture and look at the other pictures. You you look close you can see the extra 50s!

"The B-25H was an improved version of the B-25G. The fixed nose armament was increased to four nose-mounted .50-cal. machine guns and four more .50-cal. machine guns in fuselage mounted pods. The 75mm cannon was changed from the G model's M4 to the lighter T13E1 75mm cannon. The top turret was moved to the forward fuselage and the lower turret was removed and replaced by a single .50-cal. machine gun in each of the two waist positions. A tail turret housing a pair of .50-cal. machine guns was added bringing the firepower total to 14 .50-cal. machine guns and a 75mm cannon. The aircraft could also carry up to 3,200 pounds of bombs."

59 posted on 01/23/2007 4:58:29 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: Soaring Feather; The Mayor
It's a C-130 Hercules and it is at the RAF's low level route in Wales.

Here is a pic of a RAF Tornado fighter taken on the same route. Remember the photog was on a hill and the white dots are sheep!!!

(Count the fleece size)

BAAAAAA

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

60 posted on 01/23/2007 5:32:35 PM PST by alfa6 (Taxes are seldom levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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