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A pilots story about the SR-71 the Black Bird
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Posted on 03/07/2008 4:27:01 AM PST by MNJohnnie

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To: MNJohnnie
Thanks for posting this. I performed NAV/COMM maintenance on the Blackbird when I was at Beale AFB, Marysville,CA from 1967 to 1968. I was assigned initially to the 456th Bomb Wing doing NAV maint. on the B52s and KC135 tankers.

Some of us in the 456th AEMS were asked for TDY to the 9th SRW to work on the SR-71. OH Hell yes I said to the shop chief. My "work" consisted of doing a R&R of my black box while having several rifles pointed at me. Great fun.

I love the Blackbird.

41 posted on 03/07/2008 7:59:38 AM PST by afnamvet (Support The Troops. Your life may depend on it.)
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To: MNJohnnie
When I was in the Air Force in the 70's, a colonel who flew B-52s told me there was no upper limit to the J-58 engines on the Blackbird.

In other words, the engines had three settings; acceleration, idle, and off. The engines will keep accelerating until they fail (explode) so no one really knows what the top speed is.

42 posted on 03/07/2008 8:56:28 AM PST by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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To: Tolkien
“In other words, the engines had three settings; acceleration, idle, and off. The engines will keep accelerating until they fail (explode) so no one really knows what the top speed is.”

How cool is that. Man I love American ingenuity.

43 posted on 03/07/2008 9:28:06 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Tolkien
In other words, the engines had three settings; acceleration, idle, and off. The engines will keep accelerating until they fail (explode) so no one really knows what the top speed is.

I guess that explains his rather cryptic reference to 'surpassing their previous MACH numbers and showing "scary" MACH numbers'.

He was already talking about M3.5; Wonder where, in his experience, "scary" came into play?

Man, I would love to have the re-release limited edition with his RSO's book "Untouchables", but dang, I can't afford the $500+ bills for it.

44 posted on 03/07/2008 11:43:08 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

later


45 posted on 03/08/2008 6:05:04 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Like the author, I too graduated in 1966, from Oroville High School ( a small town roughly 25 miles north of Marysville/Beale AFB). I worked at a local supermarket bagging groceries and would often get home late, heat something up and watch a little TV at my parents home high on a hill with a pair of huge vista windows facing south. One evening just before I sat down I noticed a bright light in the sky out the window and for a year or so though I’d seen a UFO that lit up the sky and climbed so rapidly I thought surely we didn’t have aircraft that could do that. A year or so later as I sheepishly recounted my experience to a guy I met at Yuba College (just down the road from Beale) who was an Air Force brat with a father in the Air Force at Beale, he proceeded to tell me that I undoubtedly had seen the new SR-71 Blackbird. So once more I considered myself completely sain again. In the months that followed we frequently saw the Blackbird flying around the area and after JC at Yuba I decided that the Air Force was for me in 1968. And even in an era of anti-military, spit on baby killers I was, and still am proud to have served. Next to fathering and raising three fine children I consider my Air Force service the finest thing I ever did. I’ve often thought, in the last seven years, what I pity I’m too old to be of much use but I still feel I could help in some way if there was but a plan for guys like me. Oh well, I ‘m off on a tangent again. God Bless pilots like this, Kelly Johnson and the Skunk Works!


46 posted on 03/12/2008 4:16:42 PM PDT by vigilence
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To: MNJohnnie

WOW!!!

Wish I could tell you all something about how much trouble we had at reading out and exploiting the vast (understatement) amount of imagery (photos for you non-intel types) from the SR-71. But if I tried, I might get arrested. I don’t know if some of those cameras and sensors are still being used. Likely they have all gone digital and realtime. Those were the days to get rich by owning Kodak stock.


47 posted on 03/14/2008 3:03:43 AM PDT by W04Man (DON'T BLAME ME, I was With Fred, then Mitt, and now McCain (our troops deserve a qualified CIC))
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To: MNJohnnie

She was/is one sexy beast!!


48 posted on 03/14/2008 3:30:21 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (This space closed for a respectful mourning period...)
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To: MNJohnnie
I watched them take off and land at Kadena AFB in Okinawa in 1970. Publicly they were "modified F-4s" and the Okies crowded at the fence with cameras.

They went to the end of the runway, got airborne, stood on their tails and went straight up disappearing in a minute. When they came in they made a seemingly slow silent circle around the base and landed without much sound until they were on the ground.These things were the stuff of SciFI big-time.

49 posted on 03/14/2008 4:57:24 PM PDT by arthurus (And just why should he resign?)
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To: SwatTeam

We called them all Habus. 6990 SS Kadena 1970.


50 posted on 03/14/2008 5:03:36 PM PDT by arthurus (And just why should he resign?)
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To: arthurus

I thought just the ones on Kadena were called Habus. But I’ve been mistaken before. My husband was 6927 SS at Onna Point and then 6990 SS at Torrii Station. We had a great tour over there.


51 posted on 03/14/2008 8:26:49 PM PDT by SwatTeam
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To: gridlock
I love that bit about calling ATC for a ground speed check. Can you imagine hearing that come over the headphones?

I have no idea if it's true, but I've read a similar story where the pilots are are asking Air Traffic Control for ever higher altitudes until an SR-71 sled driver calls in asking for Flight Level 60.

ATF responds that he can have it if he really thinks he can get to that high altitude. Of course the sled driver calmly responds that they'll be *descending* to Flight Level 60.

52 posted on 03/14/2008 9:12:33 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RedRightReturn
*** I believe that Mach 1 speed can vary due to temperature, altitude, and barometric pressure, but it’s usually around 700 MPH.

The major, and really only, effect is temperature. But temperature varies with altitude. (Aircraft and engine performance depends on pressure as well, but we are just talking the velocity corresponding to Mach 1 at a particular altitude/temperature).

On a standard day (59 degrees Fahrenheit (15 degrees Celsius at sea level, the speed of sound is 1116 fps or 761 mph. Using a "standard atmosphere" temperature profile. The following gives the ratio of the speed of sound at altitude to that at sea level.

Altitude in feet Speed of Sound ratio

Sea Level 1.00
5,000 ft 0.9827
10,000 ft 0.9650
15,000 ft 0.9470
20,000 ft 0.9287
25,000 ft 0.9100
30,000 ft 0.8909
35,000 ft 0.8714
40,000 ft 0.8671
50,000 ft 0.8671
60,000 ft 0.8671

(temperature is constant above 37,000 feet (-69.7 deg F, -56.4 deg C). The speed of sound is proportional to the square root of the absolute temperate (that add 460 deg to the F or 272 to the C temperate to get the value above absolute zero)

As you can see the speed of sound actually drops with altitude, so a particular Mach number represents a slower speed.

Thus the Mach 3.5 at 80,000 feet (bet they were really higher. :) ) would be 761 mph * 0.8671 or about 660 mph, or 3387 feet per second.

Basic Info found here

Consider the the muzzle of velocity of the standard M-16 cartridge (M855) is only 3,100 fps, there were really humming along. Considering also that at 300 meters that's down to 2,115 fps, and they were really really humming along.

53 posted on 04/02/2008 6:42:48 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Centurion2000
Nice story but this speed is 2250mph or mach 2.96

At 80,000 feet, or any altitude above 37,000 feet, 2250 mph is Mach 3.4. As the story says, well above Mach 3.2.

54 posted on 04/02/2008 6:50:29 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

I did not know that mach varied with altitude. Nice impromptu lesson there. Thanks.


55 posted on 04/02/2008 9:18:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: Centurion2000
I did not know that mach varied with altitude. Nice impromptu lesson there. Thanks.

de Nada.

However Google is my friend. I knew it dropped with altitude, but I thought it both a temperature and pressure effect.

It's probably not true that temperature is constant about 37,000 feet, even in the standard atmosphere. But I suspect it's constant up to any altitude an air breathing engine would function at. After all, it has to drop to effectively zero at some point, since sound does not propagate in the vacuum of space.

56 posted on 04/02/2008 9:38:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MNJohnnie

bump


57 posted on 04/02/2008 9:50:30 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Joiseydude

You got that right.


58 posted on 04/02/2008 10:07:53 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: El Gato

Gato - Thanks for the lesson! I knew someone would come along with the science to prove this out.

El Gato es muy inteligente


59 posted on 04/03/2008 3:50:30 AM PDT by RedRightReturn (Do you know how to catch wild pigs?)
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To: El Gato

Gato - Thanks for the lesson! I knew someone would come along with the science to prove this out.

El Gato es muy inteligente


60 posted on 04/03/2008 3:51:03 AM PDT by RedRightReturn (Do you know how to catch wild pigs?)
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