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I'm seriously sorry that the NH primary went "south" of my druthers. I hope there are at least a couple other people on this board who are presently drowning their sorrows.

What are we fighting?

We need to be absolutely and stark raving clear about that. What ARE we fighting? Romney? Paul-bots? Clinton? what?

I posit we're fighting against forces arrayed against what the philosophical concept of that this Republic is all about.

We're outnumbered and we don't have the artillery that the enemy has.

We have no cannon, we have no shoes, we have no cloaks, heck we have no hard-tack (except that mealy-worm infested), and its seemingly -20 Deg., but I implore you - for the children's sake - to stick with it and fight to the end; what's it worth living for?

Stalin & Kruschev were indomitable. Hitler was indomitable as was Musolini. There were other indomitables also, Pol Pot, eh?

What I want you to take away from this - here and now - is that the Constitution of the United States of America is indomitable in the face of adversary (in and only so far as WE - as The People conceding authority to act on our behalf - actually want to defeat the adversary).

WE ARE INDOMITABLE if we have a common vision.

P.S. VETSCOR was the ONLY topic available when I posted this. Given that, I actually wonder if I'm on the right venue (as a result I doubt FreeRepublic has what's necessary).

1 posted on 01/11/2012 12:43:45 AM PST by raygun
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To: raygun

Froma Harrop???? Who the heck is Froma Harrop?????


2 posted on 01/11/2012 12:51:06 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: raygun

People, in general, aren’t convinced of the danger that America faces, aided by the media and political parties. It’s why the message of responsible governship hasn’t taken hold of the public imagination.

Unfortunately most politicians don’t lead the population, they just stand in walk in front of the parade with a baton.


3 posted on 01/11/2012 1:04:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: raygun

....IT’S YOUR FAULT...someone has to take the blame for big government WHEN IT FAILS!


8 posted on 01/11/2012 1:15:26 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: raygun
Middle Class Aided Its Own Decline

The Middle Class voted for its own decline on 2008-11-04. May God damn the Middle Class!

11 posted on 01/11/2012 1:18:45 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: raygun
The middle managers in "Mad Men" returned to orderly homes with tidy children, even as their personal lives spun into chaos.

"Mad Men" premiered on July 19, 2007. It's got nothing to do with July 19, 1967. The sixties produced its own share of selfdenigration, if you would care to look it up. Plus, they put a man on the moon. Did you see the NYT Science Times today, Jan 10, 2012? It has a piece about how the Apollo landing sites should be preserved as heritage sites, or what not. Yeah, they'll be preserved all right ... idiots.

13 posted on 01/11/2012 1:22:56 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: raygun

What we are witnessing is the inevitable consequences of the me generation.


14 posted on 01/11/2012 1:24:20 AM PST by monocle
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To: malia

later


17 posted on 01/11/2012 1:25:58 AM PST by malia
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To: raygun

This article is pure propaganda using emotional appeals to a nostalgic period that never existed as recalled.

The middle managers in “Mad Men” were the results of Federal Gov organized centralized agitprop to redirect the energies of returning WWII vets. Levittown, Eisenhower’s interstate highways, etc... all pushed by a Madison Ave and Hollywood filled with WWII Vets at the helms of power...

Eisenhower’s expansion of suburbia was a folly the nation will be suffering from for the next 100+ years. The energies of several generations were misdirected toward exuberant inefficient expansion instead of infill and optimizing existing infrastructure.

The younger part of Gen X, Gen Y and the Millenials will never have the cheap energy inputs needed to maintain even the basic tarmac road system, let alone the rest of the utilities...

Meanwhile, almost every locale the world over in the last 2 decades that copied and mimicked the American Mcmansion suburbia model has resulted or is resulting in extreme property bubbles and the bursting and hangover of massive mis-allocation of RE and infrastructure investments. Iceland, Ireland, UK, Spain, Morocco, all of eastern Europe except Belarus, Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Sauds, UAE, Dubai, Iran, etc etc... going around the globe.

To make my point, this author is an American with normalcy bias in the extreme ... “The consumer products giant Procter & Gamble is now coming out with a cheaper brand of soap for the middle class, The Wall Street Journal reports.” ... this new detergent uses the chemical of the most popular detergent soap of the middle classes of the rest of the world for the last forty years. It also was once the most popular in the US, and is less damaging through non-point source pollution than the current line up of P&G detergents...

BUT THAT DOESN’T FIT his closed mindset.

Blah...

Old fuddy duddies need to free their minds from the generations of Madison Ave agitprop.


24 posted on 01/11/2012 2:14:27 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: raygun

Only Romney will be the republican candidate this time. He will be the only possible replacement for Obama. Our focus now has to be turned to congressional races. With the right senate and house this can be salvaged so long as Obama is gone.


31 posted on 01/11/2012 3:33:00 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: raygun

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32 posted on 01/11/2012 3:42:48 AM PST by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: raygun
Froma Harrop is a flaming liberal whose column is syndicated fairly widely in the northeast. This is an interesting take from her and she's almost got it right.

The middle class has participated in its own decline. It marries later (when it marries at all) and those marriages often don't last long. Families are split up and Mom has to work.

Froma can't say any of that, though. And don't misunderstand me, please. I rail on here all the time about the federal debt, spiraling government power and rampant inflation. But crumbling families don't help, either.

33 posted on 01/11/2012 4:22:15 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: raygun

The conversation between hubby and me has been along similar lines.
How long will the country survive when you all you truly count on is for large masses of americans to routinely make the wrong choice.
It wasn’t just Romney’s win that was discouraging...Ron Paul’s huge support is downright insane.

This is why Santorum has been so appealing to us.
He isn’t just addressing the problems with the economy - he is also talking about the root of the problem, the unraveling of the family.

Weak families = weak nation.
poor values = decline.

The money quote from the article....

“Many middle-class parents of the ‘50s and ‘60s well remembered the privations of the Great Depression. Thus, they raised their children to be survivors in an uncertain world, not as princes and princesses who can do no wrong”


37 posted on 01/11/2012 5:10:53 AM PST by Scotswife
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We handicap ourselves by embracing materialism too much. We end up thinking and speaking in economic rather than civilizational terms, which isn’t enough to move people whose problems are at the deepest level, more civilizational than economic. (Sorry I can’t elaborate right now.) My working hypothesis, anyway.


38 posted on 01/11/2012 5:55:03 AM PST by Mmmike
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To: raygun
"WE ARE INDOMITABLE if we have a common vision."

We do not share a common vision. There are those in the conservative ranks who are for a vision of capitalism that others claim is crony capitalism. There are those for a strong national defense that others claim is a form of empire building. There are those who are focused on a smaller government, while others just want a better run government. There are still conservatives who refuse to vote for another conservative if his/her brand of Christianity isn't sufficiently close to their own. There are ideological conservatives and pragmatic conservatives. About the only thing that unites us is our respect for the 2nd Amendment.

Even on FR there is no real attempt made to try and define a common ground. Most threads degrade into shouting matches, name calling, and illogical and non-fact-based editorializing.

What we are seeing in the Republican primaries is a reflection of what we see here on FR: a complete lack of cohesiveness around a central and unifying conservative vision. Maybe such a vision is impossible.

Maybe we need someone with the charisma of a Reagan to unite us. Reagan did a lot of things that we now would consider anathema in a conservative candidate. He got a pass because we believed in him and thought he was doing the best he could given the congress he had. There is no similar level of trust in any of the current Republican candidates. Everyone of them is fatally flawed in the eyes of some large percentage of conservatives. Even Palin is looked down upon by a large minority of Freepers.

39 posted on 01/11/2012 7:39:52 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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