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Posted on 12/29/2013 4:49:02 PM PST by CodeJockey

Lost my Mom this past week and as is probably a right of passage Dad has passed on a ton of family photographs to me. He had a small album of pictures from when he was in the 352nd fighter squadron in Vietnam around 1967.

Not sure the protocol for posting actual active duty military pictures, but almost 50 years have passed now.

This was one aircraft that was in his album. There were several F-100'S. That was what he wrenched on at the time.

He never spoke of being over there, and I never asked many questions.


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I have a few more I will post if it's ok. It would be amazing if someone would recognize the photos.

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1 posted on 12/29/2013 4:49:02 PM PST by CodeJockey
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To: CodeJockey

B-57 Canberra


2 posted on 12/29/2013 4:50:35 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC

he’s right


3 posted on 12/29/2013 4:51:36 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: CodeJockey

The English Electric Canberra is a first-generation jet-powered light bomber manufactured in large numbers through the 1950s. The Canberra could fly at a higher altitude than any other bomber through the 1950s and set a world altitude record of 70,310 ft (21,430 m) in 1957. Due to its ability to evade early interceptors, and its significant performance advancement over contemporary piston- engined bombers, the Canberra was a popular export product and served with many nations. In addition to being a tactical nuclear strike aircraft, the Canberra proved to be highly adaptable, serving in varied roles such as tactical bombing and photographic and electronic reconnaissance. Canberras served in the Vietnam War, the Falklands War, the Indo-Pakistani Wars, and numerous African conflicts. In several wars, both of the opposing forces had Canberras in their air forces. The Canberra was retired by its first operator, the Royal Air Force (RAF), in June 2006, 57 years after its first flight. Two of the Martin B-57 variant remain in service, performing meteorological work for NASA, as well as providing electronic communication (Battlefield Airborne Communications Node or BACN) testing for deployment to Afghanistan.


4 posted on 12/29/2013 4:53:12 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: CodeJockey

Martin Aircraft licence-built the English Electric design in the states.


5 posted on 12/29/2013 4:53:25 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Doogle

Had one at my base back in the days....


6 posted on 12/29/2013 4:53:35 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: CodeJockey

Serious revetments that were pretty typical in the Republic of Viet Nam.


7 posted on 12/29/2013 4:53:50 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Doogle

Ditto. It was used for airborne photography and some other things.


8 posted on 12/29/2013 4:53:58 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: CodeJockey

Martin B-7 Canberra


9 posted on 12/29/2013 4:55:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: CodeJockey

Yep, B 57


10 posted on 12/29/2013 4:56:53 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: CodeJockey

98CJ is correct.
see link for reference:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnkGAUCtUY<


11 posted on 12/29/2013 4:57:53 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Da Coyote
and some other things.

...I'm sure...Aussie wasn't it?

12 posted on 12/29/2013 4:58:57 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: CodeJockey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvYCPuBlB_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3PXQNEDnuA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23V8zmyK240

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkkN39o-hqY


13 posted on 12/29/2013 5:00:26 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: CodeJockey
English Electric Canberra?

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14 posted on 12/29/2013 5:01:31 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: 98ZJ USMC
Martin Aircraft licence-built the English Electric design in the states.

Yup. Almost positive it's a B-57B. The "A" models were duplicates of the RAF Canberra, with a bubble canopy and fairly standard bomb bay. The "B"s were heavily modified with the tandem canopy, wingtip fuel tanks and a rotary bomb-bay (the engineering for which came from the XB-51 program - which the Canberra was selected over to fulfill the USAF's medium/interdiction bomber requirement)
15 posted on 12/29/2013 5:04:09 PM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: Army Air Corps

The surrounding hills must have been a nightly invitation to Bad Guys with mortars and rocket launchers.


16 posted on 12/29/2013 5:04:21 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Army Air Corps

Looking at the hills in the background, could have been anywhere.

Didn’t the South Africans and Rhodesians rely heavily on these planes?

If I had to guess, 50/50, I’d guess Africa, somewhere, and NOT RVN.

But then again, I’ve never been to Africa.


17 posted on 12/29/2013 5:04:46 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: zeestephen

My thoughts exactly. Unless they were held by friendlies, those are some forbidding hills next to an airbase.

Bad guys everywhere.

But it just doesn’t seem like RVN to me. But hey, who am I to judge?


18 posted on 12/29/2013 5:09:00 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: CodeJockey

Looks British to me


19 posted on 12/29/2013 5:09:28 PM PST by RangerM
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To: Army Air Corps

Yep. Cam Rahn Bay 1970-72 The Canberra’s were equipped for photo recon and dropping spike-sonds. I forget the exact nomenclature of the things. USAF aircraft.


20 posted on 12/29/2013 5:12:09 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: G Larry
LOVELY music to go along with a nice clip ... thanx

still tiltin' in my chair .... /8^)

21 posted on 12/29/2013 5:13:11 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: CodeJockey
Interesting B-57 story. Early in the Vietnam War Walter Cronkite got to go fly an actual combat mission with a B-57.

Uncle Walt pretty much p*ssed himself giddy over the experience. Unfortunately, the videos out there of the segment cut the last 30 seconds or so of Cronkite's behavior. Go figure, any video of the Liberal Media Icon reacting gleefully over getting to drop real bombs on little yellow people with slanty eyes and wearing black pajamas MUST be purged 1984-style, right? (/sarc)

Thing is, the actual full (or just remainder of) transcript IS out there several places, even if CBS has been able to suppress the unedited video:

WALTER CRONKITE: B-57s — the British call them Canberra jets — we’re using them very effectively here in this war in Vietnam to dive-bomb the Vietcong in these jungles beyond Da Nang here. Colonel, what’s our mission we’re about to embark on?

AIR FORCE COLONEL: Well, our mission today, sir, is to report down to the site of the ambush seventy miles south of here and attempt to kill the VC.

WALTER CRONKITE: The colonel has just advised me that that is our target area right over there. One, two, three, four, we dropped our bomb, but now a tremendous G-load as we pull out of that dive. Oh, I know something of what those astronauts must go through. Well, colonel.

AIR FORCE COLONEL: Yes, sir.

WALTER CRONKITE: It’s a great way to go to war.
22 posted on 12/29/2013 5:15:58 PM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

“B-57 Canberra”

Exactly.


23 posted on 12/29/2013 5:16:22 PM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: CodeJockey
NASA/JSC has a pair of the weather research version, WB-57 flying out of Ellington Field.


24 posted on 12/29/2013 5:16:56 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: CodeJockey

Engines were started via black powder charge.
If engines flamed out or shutdown inflight, they could not be restarted in flight.


25 posted on 12/29/2013 5:19:09 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: The_Victor
NASA/JSC has a pair of the weather research version, WB-57 flying out of Ellington Field.

But they aren't really being used for all that much "weather research" ... ;-)

And they're getting a third that's been pulled out of desert storage after 40+ years.
26 posted on 12/29/2013 5:19:51 PM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: CodeJockey
Hey CJ...my sincere condolences on the passing of your Mother.

Good to see your Father sharing these with you.
Family heritage memory stuff.
A lot of folks who've been there don't talk about it much.
27 posted on 12/29/2013 5:23:24 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: tanknetter; CodeJockey

I doubt that this book is still in print but if you can find a copy, “The Doom PussyWritten be female correspondent who cover one of the B-57 squadrons flying night strikes in Vietnam.

Hmnm looks like Amazon has some available...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Doom-Pussy-Elaine-Shepard/dp/0962838810

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


28 posted on 12/29/2013 5:24:03 PM PST by alfa6
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To: CodeJockey
I will ask him the location. To this day he still may not tell me. This was the first I have seen of these photos. This is my dad in the middle. Tsgt French.  photo v1967_000_zpscfb15ddd.jpg

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29 posted on 12/29/2013 5:24:06 PM PST by CodeJockey (Christian, Freeper, Tea Party Member, Bitter Clinger, Creepy White Cracker)
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To: Afterguard

After.

Its been 40 effin years. But when I was at Cam Rahn, (truth, ony 5 days.) I think I remember they used the quanset hut style revetments like we did at DaNang and Bien Hao.

I’ve only seen these open, (no roof) style in pictures from SA and Rhoadesia.

Probably I’m wrong. Been too many years.

I still have slide pics from Cam Rahn, and from time to time I pull them out, put batteries in my slide viewer, and look at them.

I just don’t remember open revetments like that. But then again, I’ve been wrong a number of times.


30 posted on 12/29/2013 5:26:59 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: CodeJockey

As others have stated, your photo is a B57b. They have an interesting bomb-bay door that swings like a pendulum. They can also carry ordinance on wing pods.

The photo at post 14 is a B57 a or d model, frequently called “long wing” models with the bubble canopy.

They were used for bombing and recon. Also there was a ECM jammer/recon variant.


31 posted on 12/29/2013 5:28:21 PM PST by quimby
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To: CodeJockey
The VT-ANG were the last in the US to fly the Canberra. There is still one at the guard museum here.
32 posted on 12/29/2013 5:28:53 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Mat_Helm

“Two of the Martin B-57 variant remain in service, performing meteorological work for NASA”

Thanks for that info. I saw one of these several years ago at Ellington field in Houston. I thought I was just seeing wrong


33 posted on 12/29/2013 5:33:48 PM PST by Figment
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To: CodeJockey
B-57. My Father's best friend was killed servicing the B-57 at Bien Hoa AB, RVN in May of 1965 when the VC set off mortars and exploded the B-57s readying for takeoff. They then proceeded to destroy the planes lined up wing tip to wing tip on the flight line. After that the planes were parked as you see with barriers between the planes.

The flight crews that serviced the B-57s were rotated from Yokota AFB with the 53rd Weather Reconnaissance and the 6091st Squadrons as the B-57s were the staples of the weather and reconnaissance (Tail numbers of three of them were 446,447,448). The RB-57E models had extended wings and overflew Russia and China testing the air after nuclear detonations from 1960-1962. The RB-57s flew so high the SAMs could not reach them. They took the place of the U-2s for a period of time.

34 posted on 12/29/2013 5:39:12 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: CodeJockey

They also had a big wing version for spying before the U2.


35 posted on 12/29/2013 5:43:18 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
The Rhodesians had their own flying group dedicated to the Vulcan bomber. A Vulcan on a visit to SAC at Omaha flew up to a weekend airshow at the Air Guard’s section of the Des Moines airport.
They handed out teeshirts that said, “Fly 44th,” which was their unit in Rhodesia. All were cool guys.
The pilot overshot the short Des Moines cross wind runway and had to go around. The exhaust from the four inboard engines was like coal smoke on his way around.
Wife and I and our 6 year old kid walked over and met the crew...
36 posted on 12/29/2013 5:44:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: RangerM

Nope, but the Brits loved putting the engines inside the wings.


37 posted on 12/29/2013 5:44:40 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Nope, but the Brits loved putting the engines inside the wings.

Meteor, Canberra, Valiant, Victor, Vulcan, Nimrod. Any others that I missed? I'm not sure I'd count the Buccaneer - engines were mounted between the fuselage and the wings.
38 posted on 12/29/2013 5:49:34 PM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: vetvetdoug

Exactly right. I was at Bien Hoa when it happrnrd.


39 posted on 12/29/2013 5:52:31 PM PST by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They indeed did do wonders with what little they had.

Big Brass Balls.

250,000 against 8 MILLION!

But hey, like Alvin York, the Rhodesians, (BSAP) had them all SURROUNDED!

Rhodesia once was the bread basket of all Africa. They fed MILLIONS.

Today, the country is a wasteland.

Once you go “black” you can never go back.


40 posted on 12/29/2013 5:54:13 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Tainan

Thank you


41 posted on 12/29/2013 5:57:19 PM PST by CodeJockey (Christian, Freeper, Tea Party Member, Bitter Clinger, Creepy White Cracker)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

More’s the pity Rhodesia was destroyed. I’m not so sure South Africa is a whole lot better. Both have traded one veriety of discrimination for another.


42 posted on 12/29/2013 6:00:59 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: The_Victor

NASA/JSC has a pair of the weather research version, WB-57 flying out of Ellington Field.

This is one of those things that dives me batty about US Government acquisitions.

WHY are we still flying 50 year-old birds that cost an ENORMOUS amount of money to fly operate and maintain, when any number of Civilian platforms could be modified to meet the needs at a far lower cost than these old birds, especially if issued waivers for the 4-minute rule, and MOA’s.

That said, I’m afraid I do understand how this works. Muslim and Gay Outreach Centers, and Global Warming Grants, are far more important to the folks in charge, especially when they get kicked back with a fancy job at 20-year retirement.

And the operations budget comes from different funds than do acquisitions.


43 posted on 12/29/2013 6:06:04 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tanknetter

I think NASA also used them to photograph Shuttle launches.


44 posted on 12/29/2013 6:07:27 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: CodeJockey

I assume the pics are from Phan Rang Air Base?


45 posted on 12/29/2013 6:11:40 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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WHY are we still flying 50 year-old birds that cost an ENORMOUS amount of money to fly operate and maintain, when any number of Civilian platforms could be modified to meet the needs at a far lower cost than these old birds, especially if issued waivers for the 4-minute rule, and MOA’s.
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I think the 70,000 ft operational ceiling may have something to do with it...:^)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_RB-57F_Canberra

46 posted on 12/29/2013 6:21:06 PM PST by az_gila
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To: Afterguard

Cam Ranh.


47 posted on 12/29/2013 6:24:52 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: az_gila

Given waivers, and some modifications, such as the to pressure bulheads, the newest generation Gulfstreams, and Dassaults are capable of close to that already.

The only thing limiting them to MOA’s below 50K is the 4-minute rule, and Gov. regs. regarding the pressure bulkhead.

I didn’t say it would be off-the-shelf, but modern platforms could be made just as capable, at FAR less operating costs.


48 posted on 12/29/2013 6:30:06 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
WHY are we still flying 50 year-old birds that cost an ENORMOUS amount of money to fly operate and maintain

If there's a cost analysis of flying these aircraft, relative to other options, I'd like to see it. From the looks of it they're existing airframes that use existing powerplants (TF33s) that the USAF has in large quantity and have otherwise had improvements to use existing USAF off the shelf technologies (see the pictures of the third WB-57 at the link I posted earlier, looks like the bang-seats are the current ACES II) or can pull parts out of various existing spares stores.

Also keep in mind that when it comes to platforms newer doesn't necessarily mean cheaper. The B-2A costs more per flight hour than the B-1B does, and the B-1B costs more per flight hour than the 50 year old B-52s in current operational service.

Any "new" platform that can meet the WB-57's operational requirements is going to have to go through all sorts of design and testing phases to make it into operational service. Probably not the best use of money for a very limited number of required airframes (NASA's made due with only two, is now getting a third); my guess is that keeping the WB-57s flying for their remaining expected remaining lifespans is cheaper than the costs of bringing a new platform into service and maintaining it in operation ...
49 posted on 12/29/2013 6:57:44 PM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: anoldafvet
I was at Bien Hoa when it happened

May 17th, 1965. The USAF lost 18 men that day. T/Sgt. Baldanado of New Mexico lost his life trying to get a pilot and co-pilot out of an exploding B-57 laden with ordnance. Several aircrew members and pilots were lost that day. Their names are in the first block on the Viet Nam Wall.

50 posted on 12/29/2013 6:58:03 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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