The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Siege of Khe Sanh - Dec. 10th, 2002

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SIEGE - "Forty days at Khe Sanh"

"While the battle is over, the lessons learned remain for historians and future commanders.

A dead-serious voice sounded in the Marine command bunker at Khe Sanh: "Spunky Hanson’s got gooks and tanks in the wire!" The U.S. Special Forces Camp at Lang Vei was under heavy attack. Tet 1968.

There were three big events in the news during early 1968: Khe Sanh, Pueblo, and the garbage strike in New York.

One of the strongest efforts made by the Communists in Vietnam was the Tet Offensive of 1968. The most critical action during the time was the Marine defense of Khe Sanh. The instinctive questions at the time were, "Can the U.S. forces hold Khe Sanh?" and "Will it be another Dien Bien Phu?"

Obviously, now, it was not the latter, and the Marines did hold. The Americans, in contrast to the French in 1954, suffered not the slightest setback in strategy. In fact, when Khe Sanh ceased to be a problem, there was little more said about the old combat base.

In 1970, a song by the Blues Image was believed by some to be a story of the ill-fated Pueblo. It also reminds many of Khe Sanh because of the simultaneous occurrence of the two headline events. No one really wants to be reminded of the garbage strike in New York. But the story of the near forgotten battle for Khe Sanh should not go untold.

Prelude to a storm



The first major engagement in the area was on 28 April 1967, almost a year before the siege. This battle was known as the "Hill Fights." It centered around the Hill 861/881 complex northwest of Khe Sanh. It was a successful effort by two Marine battalions to stop an attack by elements of the 325C North Vietnamese Army (NVA) division. Had the enemy not been stopped on the hills, they would have pressed on to overrun the Khe Sanh main base.

After this action Khe Sanh became relatively calm. Enemy units practically disappeared from the area, and there was little evidence of activity for several months. This lull permitted an appreciation for the physical beauty of the area which was characterized by green, heavily wooded mountains around the Khe Sanh plateau. The atmosphere was peaceful with days of warm, quiet sunshine. On a clear day, looking from Dong Tri Mountain, looming high on the northeast side of Khe Sanh, one could see Laos to the west, the ocean to the east, and wonder where the war had gone.

Things were to change. The monsoon would bring storms in November, and the North Vietnamese were planning an offensive that would turn the focal point of the world to South Vietnam, and that of the war to Khe Sanh.

Enemy units were detected around Khe Sanh in December. North Vietnamese elements previously had passed through the area, but now they were staying. Intelligence sources indicated the determined 325C NVA Division, defeated near Khe Sanh earlier, had returned in greater strength. The 304th NVA Division, a home guard unit which had seen action against the French at Dien Bien Phu, was also in the vicinity.

On 20 January 1968 an interesting thing happened. A North Vietnamese Lieutenant walked into the main base and surrendered. He willingly gave a wealth of information to his interrogators with more detail than would be expected of an officer in his position. He had been the commanding officer of the 14th Antiaircraft Company. He was able to give extensive details of the forthcoming Tet offensive, the plans for besieging Khe Sanh, and preparations for an imminent attack of Hill 861.

His description of the attack plan turned out to be accurate. Hill 861 was assaulted at 0100 on 21 January after a heavy 30-minute mortar attack. The attacking forces numbered 250 men, and the defending Marine forces consisted of a company, reinforced by two platoons.

The NVA succeeded in overrunning part of the outpost, but a strong counterattack by the defenders, coupled with heavy defensive fires from supporting artillery, repulsed the attack.

The action was broken off around 0515. Shortly thereafter the main base came under a strong rocket and artillery attack. Hits were scored on the base ammunition dump which within minutes exploded in giant fiery clusters.

Other ground action the same day involved attempts by elements of the 304th NVA Division to overrun the combined action units in Khe Sanh Village. These attacks were beaten off with the help of Marine air and artillery support. By late afternoon the air was quiet but the siege of Khe Sanh had begun.

The decisions

Public focus on Khe Sanh brought recollections of the disaster at Dien Bien Phu. The world suddenly recalled the French defeat in 1954. Parallels inevitably were drawn. Khe Sanh, like Dien Bien Phu, was largely surrounded by hills; however, the latter was at the bottom of a valley while Khe Sanh was situated on a plateau which provided some measure of defensive advantage.

The enemy plans of attack appeared similar: take the important outposts (Hills 861/881 complex); choke off the Khe Sanh base with siege tactics; and, when the main defending force withered, conduct the final assault. The Viet Minh successfully employed such tactics at Dien Bien Phu.

High level French and American decisions concerning the two bases were similar: reinforce rather than withdraw. But the underlying reasons for the decisions were different. The French considered Dien Bien Phu an indispensable blocking position on an invasion route to Laos. When they recognized the enemy buildup they decided to reinforce, but they did not see the true difficulty of defeating a larger force in defensive battle. Closer examination of the American decision in Vietnam reveals differences in outlook and estimation.

The importance of Khe Sanh and its outposts to the United States was the defenders’ role in interdicting and monitoring movement through the Rao Quang River Valley and Route 9, into Quang Tri Province. The decision to hold the base came from the belief of Gen William C. Westmoreland that troops could be afforded for the reinforcement, they could be adequately re-supplied by air, and if an overland relief force were needed, it could be provided. Further, he correctly understood the need for heavy fire power and knew he possessed it. Finally, since the enemy appeared ready to accept a major battle, it was an opportunity to inflict heavy casualties.

Following the reinforcement theory, another U.S. battalion was transferred to Khe Sanh on 22 January; an ARVN ranger battalion arrived on the 27th, bringing to five the total number of infantry battalions defending Khe Sanh. The specific units were the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Battalions of the 26th Marines; 1st Battalion, 9th Marines and 37th ARVN Ranger Battalion.

The storm

Daily rocket and artillery attacks on the base and outposts provided most of the action during the two weeks following the 21 January attack. Even on 30 January when the Tet offensive was launched, Khe Sanh was relatively quiet. But the siege effort continued as more enemy troops, artillery, and antiaircraft weapons moved into the area.

The enemy tried another assault on Hill 861 in the early morning hours of 5 February. This battle was similar to the one on 21 January, but this time the enemy’s supporting fires were heavier and better coordinated with the ground attack. The base and Hill 861 received nearly 400 artillery and mortar rounds during the battle.

Unfortunately for the NVA, our own fire power was more devastating. The Khe Sanh fire support coordination center (FSCC) called the supporting heavy artillery and requested a "wall of steel" be placed northeast of hill 861, 100 meters from the Marine perimeter. Within minutes 175mm guns were delivering a deadly barrage impossible for the NVA to penetrate. Elsewhere around the hill, Marine artillery and mortars were cutting the enemy units to pieces. By 0700 the action had terminated. Another attempt to take on of the outposts had failed. The enemy suffered 109 known dead (by body count near the wire); many bodies were carried away by comrades.

The only enemy victory achieved during the siege was by the 66th Regiment over the Army Special Forces Camp at Lang Vei. Although the camp defenders and Marine artillery at Khe Sanh inflicted heavy casualties on the attacking force, the enemy deserves credit for conducting a skillful operation. This successful attack occurred on the night of 7 February, and employed both armor and infantry.

After Lang Vei it became apparent with each succeeding night that a heavy ground attack on Khe Sanh was imminent. Daily, enemy gunners fired artillery and rockets at all defensive positions; heavy enemy troop concentrations were detected all around the base. On 23 February, the main base at Khe Sanh was hit by more than 1,000 rounds, a record for the war at that time.

The siege

Like the armies of the Middle Ages, the enemy encircled the main base and sat there, digging sap trenches which protruded at various angles toward the Marine perimeter. His work on these trenches was not detected immediately because of poor visibility in the bad weather.

Historically, no two sieges ever have been alike, but the primary idea is to encircle the besieged force, choke it off from reinforcements and supplies, and eventually conduct an overwhelming attack. Trenches allowed the attacking troops to advance rapidly under artillery fired and emerge in heavy assault formations at the defensive perimeter. The Viet Minh used these methods at Dien Bien Phu. At Khe Sanh this technique proved a fatal mistake.

In contrast to various sieges of the 18th century and that of Dien Bien Phu, Khe Sanh could not be "choked off." Re-supply came by air for months preceding the siege. In February when the airfield became somewhat untenable, supplies were simply air-dropped or helilifted. The low altitude parachute extraction system (LAPES) was also used extensively. The longer the enemy tarried, the stronger grew the possibilities for sending a U.S. relief force, namely the 1st Air Cavalry Division.

Enemy strangulation attempts were shredded by an American air and artillery pounding that continued day and night. The weather prohibited close air strikes during most of February; however, it did not stop the B-52 strikes which often numbered 16 per day. It did not stop the radar controlled bomb strikes (TPQ’s) which hit the NVA every 12 minutes, around the clock. And nothing stops the Artillery!

The redleg forces consisted of four U.S. Army 175mm gun batteries (2nd Bn, 94th Arty and A btry, 8th Bn, 4th Arty) located at Camp Carroll and the Rock Pile, and five Marine batteries (1/13) with weapons ranging from 4.2 inch mortars to 155mm howitzers. These units were located on the main base and the outposts.

Most of the friendly artillery fire took place at night since the enemy was more likely to be exposed then. Concentrations of various sizes were fired each night on known enemy locations.

A new technique of mass fire power was formulated by an army liaison officer at Khe Sanh, who outlined his concept to the Marine officers in the FSCC. This technique involved the massing of all available artillery on a TPQ target so that bombs and artillery rounds landed simultaneously on one area. This technique, used extensively throughout the siege, became known as the "mini-arc light" and usually saturated an area 500 by 1000 meters. The effect proved devastating.

On 8 and 21 February enemy ground attacks hit the main base. Both attacks were stopped with the fire power at the Marines’ disposal.

After 40 days a failure

Intelligence reports toward the end of February indicated that a large regimental size force would attack the base from the southeast. The reports proved correct; the attack came on the 29th. Three attacks were made during the night, and although these assaults were the heaviest effort made to this point, they failed to break the Khe Sanh defense.

The Marines and ARVN rangers supplied heavy interlocking fires, augmented by close air strikes and all available artillery. The attackers not only were cut down at the perimeter, their routes of approach and assembly areas near Route 9 were saturated in depth by air strikes and artillery. The attack never achieved a full head of steam.

While an accurate body count was never obtained, it was estimated that an entire enemy regiment had been wiped out. Montagnards later reported hundreds of bodies in piles along the approach routes.

This attack on 29 February occurred approximately 40 days after the first ground attack. Although the enemy continued to shell Khe Sanh throughout March, it was the last attempt to take either the base or the outposts.

Interestingly, the sieges of some feudal armies lasted only 40 days. The soldiers of the besieging armies were paid only for 40 day commitment; if a fortress were not conquered during this time, the siege failed. The attackers would simply go home, their term of service having expired.

For the NVA, the battle on 29 February marked the end of a 40-day failure. A safe conclusion is that by this time their pockets had been cleaned.

[SAMWolf]

Those beautiful Phantoms

With clear weather in March, the American firepower was further augmented by daily close air support missions. The enemy could do little more than sit and take the overwhelming punishment. By late March it was evident he would never recover from the beating.

Firepower has been mentioned throughout the discussion because it was probably the most critical difference between Khe Sanh and Dien Bien Phu. At Khe Sanh, the NVA never approached the volume of preparatory and supporting artillery fire they had dropped on the French at Dien Bien Phu. The Marines expected the volume of eventually build into something comparable to our own fire preparations, but this was never achieved. This time the Communists faced fire power which more than tripled what they delivered on the French during their last great siege in 1954.

The enemy guns were well camouflaged and emplaced using methods similar to those at Dien Bien Phu; at Khe Sanh the camouflage afforded little protection from saturation bomb strikes.

The aerial re-supply of the main base and the outposts has been touched upon only lightly. Nevertheless, it too was an important contribution to the American victory., The re-supply operations were daring, timely and coordinated properly to keep the bullets and rations flowing into Khe Sanh. A quick comparison of air missions by number well illustrates the difference between American and French air support. During the siege of Dien Bien Phu, the besieged fortress received 10,400 air missions. Only 6,700 were supply or troop missions; the other were combat missions. Air missions for Khe Sanh approached 40,000. Around 28,000 of these were bombing missions; the rest were re-supply. A typical mission around Khe Sanh involved a Phantom jet (F4), whereas a typical French mission employed a WW II vintage Marauder (B-26). The ordnance load of the B-26 approaches about half that of the Phantom.

In early April, the 1st Air Cavalry Division launched Operation Pegasus which resulted in the relief of Khe Sanh. It was at this point that final and complete success could be realized. Re-enforcement’s, re-supply, fire power and the relief force; the original concepts of the stand for Khe Sanh had transpired smoothly.

The Communists fate was inevitable when someone (perhaps Gen Giap) decided to lay siege to Khe Sanh. After the decision, it remained only for thousands of enemy soldiers to surround the base and take the shellacking.

The marines lost 205 men during the siege, while the NVA had a reported 12,000 men killed in action. The siege tactics were unsuccessful because the enemy could not choke off the logistical support, or even begin to stop a relief force. Heavy encirclement of the base was disastrous to the enemy as he fell prey to the heavy bomb and artillery strikes. Considering the losses, Khe Sanh was a North Vietnamese flop.

Khe Sanh veterans returning there today would recognize the calm atmosphere provided by Dong Tri Mountain northeast of the plateau; and the ghosts of Khe Sanh would quietly whisper the memories which some will never forget.

Mud, torn sand bags, cold air, burning odors, dirty skin and more mud; cautious ears, cautious eyes, C-rations and P-38 can openers (the Marines call them John Waynes); a cigarette for a buddy, a short prayer for a tomorrow – spoken in a silent whisper or written on a helmet cover. Some sleep now and then. Night darkness and fog which completely masked all vision; ChiCom grenades, screaming enemy soldiers, mortars and then rockets; silence after a battle, another prayer and removal of the dead. This was life from a trench at Khe Sanh. A hero is a man who works hard to do his job the best way he possibly can. There is little glory in the actual fighting of a war. In Washington, statements had been signed indicating the base could be held. At Khe Sanh the Marine’s job was to fight and defend. He did his job the best way possible. And in New York, the garbage strike continued.

[SAMWolf]

The Siege of Khe Sanh

At about 5:00 A.M. on the morning of 21 January 1968, a reconnaissance team radioed that a flight of rockets had been launched from a nearby hill and would land on the combat base. This initial attack was small by later standards, consisted of about one hundred 82mm mortar rounds and sixty 122mm rockets. But fifteen minutes after the attack began one rocket landed in the midst of the main ammunition storage area with devastating results.

This ammo dump contained eleven thousand rounds of ordnance that began burning. Red-hot artillery and recoilless rifle rounds were hurled into nearby trenches. CS tear gas was ignited and filled the entire area with gas as thick as fog. About 10:00 A.M. the fire set off a large quantity of C-4 plastic explosives and other explosives. At the airstrip all navigational aides were destroyed or damaged, living quarters for the Marines air group were destroyed, the control tower was rendered inoperative, and the runway was cratered. All this on the first day of incoming rocket, artillery and mortar attacks that would continue for the next 76 days.

In a sense both sides besieged each other. The Marines could only be supplied by air and could not have evacuated the base without sustaining unacceptable casualties. The North Vietnamese Army (NVA) were trapped by their military and political goals, whatever they might have been, and by the greatest application of U.S. air power directed at them in history.

The mess halls were immediately secured. In the atmosphere of flying metal it would not do for two hundred Marines to congregate in one place. C-rations were issued and the men took their meals in their bunkers. The rat population began to take off and Khe Sanh took on the look of a "shanty slum on the outskirts of Manila". Continuous aerial bombardment, shelling and digging and bulldozing of positions filled the air with red dust. Smoke filled the air, smoke from incoming, from diesel generators, from burning latrines, from burning ordnance and from trash fires. Water was restricted and few were able to bathe regularly. The monsoon rain served to drive the rats inside the bunkers.

By March 6, Saigon reported that NVA strength around Khe Sanh had been reduced, from a former level of possibly 35,000, to a level of 6,000 to 8,000 NVA troops. On April 9, for the first time in weeks, not one shell crashed into the combat base.

Army units entered the base, the first to arrive by land in months. They stared at the Marines in disbelief; some wore beards, all needed haircuts, all were exhausted, their clothes were filthy and tattered. The 1st Calvary had the attitude that they had "relieved" the Marines of Khe Sanh, that they had "broken" the NVA siege. The Marines largely ignored them.

In June 1968, it was announced that Khe Sanh was being abandoned. The Marines proceeded to dismantle the base, slashing sandbags, blowing up their fortifications, filling in trenches with bulldozers, hauling away everything of possible use to the enemy. The last Marines left on July 6. In their leaving, both sides turned the base over to the rats, whose population likely expanded still further now that the monsoon had ended, air and artillery strikes ceased, and there was no human population to harass them. The rats were free to police the remaining ration scraps within the base and the huge quantity of body parts that must have lay without. And when this food supply was consumed they too would depart Khe Sanh.

Franklin A. Gulledge, Jr., Major USMC(Ret)

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[Steelerfan]

As always, an outstanding post. Thank you for including me on your list.

[freedomson]

Thanks for putting me on this ping list. Great stuff! Keep it rollin'!

[Dominic Harr]

"Always Remember" Bump.

[Jen]

In 1970, a song by the Blues Image was believed by some to be a story of the ill-fated Pueblo. It also reminds many of Khe Sanh because of the simultaneous occurrence of the two headline events.

Music Trivia - Ride Captain Ride

In May of 1971, Kent Henry was with a band called Blues Image. He describes it as, “kind of a one hit wonder band.” Their hit was “Ride Captain Ride.”

“Ride Captain Ride” was kind of a fluke thing that was thrown together in the studio. The song starts with the line, “73 men sailed.” Mike, the singer, had started writing the song when he was driving on route 73. So, all of a sudden in the studio he said ...“73 men sailed,” and that’s how we came up with it. All these people thought we wrote it about the Pueblo incident. (The USS Pueblo was a naval vessel that was seized off the coast of North Korea in 1968.) We were like “yeah right.” Mike actually wrote it for his kids. “Ride Captain Ride” is about Star Trek. The band toured for several months with that song.

Listen to the song

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

[nevergore]

BTTT.....

Thanks! Great read....Oh Rah... Gi-rines

NeverGore

[OldCorps]

Frank,

I'm a retired infantry officer (Army). I've always had the utmost respect for the USMC. Marines have always shown great heroism, sacrifice, honor and bravery. We should never forget the bravery the USMC showed us at the Chosin Resevoir or during the Tet offensive.

Thanks for the article.

John

[Jen]

Thanks to everyone who has posted or lurked at the FReeper Foxhole since it began as a daily thread on Dec. 6. And a special belated "Thank You" to each FReeper who posted on the Foxhole's debut thread. The response has been far greater than we had imagined and we appreciate your input and support of our nation's Veterans!

-- AntiJen, SAMWolf and MistyCA

[Pippin]

You're welcome! :^)

I think this thread is a great idea and a great way to educate folks about military history and to honor the veterans.

[Bahbah]

You are very welcome. This is a great thread and I visit everyday. You guys are the best.

[gridlock]

Always fascinating. BTTT!

[facedown]

[ST.LOUIE1]

BUMP!

[Jen]

You've been taken off the Foxhole ping list. Thanks for the note.

[big gray tabby]

A breathtaking story. I wasn't there because I was ten years old. In fact, I knew only that there was a siege, and nothing of the courage and hardship of those Marines. Looking back, it occurs to me that those 205 Marines lost there would have been spared had they had access to anything like today's technology.

Here's a prayer for them and to God for helping us make it unlikely we'll ever put Americans in a situation like that again.

Thanks for keeping me on the "ping." I don't know how I got here, but thanks!

[Gunrunner2]

Honorable, brave men all.

[SwatTeam]

I think this site is terrific! I don't post much but I sure enjoy reading and I really appreciate you pinging me to the thread. This should also find a place in the homeschool curriculum. I may e-mail my son and insist he read it also. He's only 42 and still learning. I don't think the current public schools teach this history. Those of us who watched these events happen and knew some of the people involved in the events believe it is extremely important for the current and future generations to learn of these events without any anti-American, anti-war spin. But I'm preaching to the choir. Again thank you for this thread.

[Jen]

Good morning Louie. Want some strong GI coffee?

[E.G.C.]

Bump for the Foxhole

[Jen]

SAMWolf is the Foxhole's resident 'historian' and is the one who deserves the thanks for this thread. I'm learning to appreciate history from his posts. Thanks for your post and especially for your prayers for our troops.

[ST.LOUIE1]

Good morning Louie. Want some strong GI coffee?

Hi, Jen. Well, don't mind if I do. Thank you.

Got donuts? : )

[ConservativeMan55]

Please take me off the Freeper Foxhole Pinglist.

[HiJinx]

Your comment about technology rings so true...

The French used B-26s for close air support instead of Phantoms...not because they chose to, necessarily, but simply because there was nothing like the F-4 available at that time.

I know, that's an obvious point...perhaps the increasing lethality provided by new technology will convince despots around the world to think twice before they decide to confront America's will.

[Jen]

Thanks for your kind words. SAMWolf deserves the credit for putting all this great info together for us.

That's a great idea about using this info for homeschoolers. I'll post a link to the foxhole on the Homeschool thread and invite them to take a look. Thanks for that idea. Our youngsters (even 42-year-olds, LOL!) need to learn 'real' history lessons - not the tales the PC teachers and liberal media spin.

[SAMWolf]

Thanks Jen. I remeber that song and the debate about whether it was about the Peublo.

[SAMWolf]

Done, thank you for letting us know.

[SAMWolf]

Don't give me all the credit, I've had lots of help from you and Misty in setting this up.

[Jen]

Donuts? Well sure Louie. There's a Dunkin' Donuts between my hootch and the Foxhole. You want jelly-filled or glazed? hahaha

[SuziQ]

To me, Tet 68 brought the ascendency of the ultra-liberal press. They took what turned out to be a defeat for the North Vietnamese into what seemed to be a victory for them. They talked down the American military SO MUCH that it seemed to many that we LOST the war then. Vietnam was definitely a loss in the minds of most liberals, and it began to seem that way to the average Joe in the US who was only able to get his news from the big three networks and the major print media outlets. There was no way to learn anything different!

You can argue whether or not we should have been there in the first place, but those fighting men and the women who supported them in the hospitals and administratively were undercut severely by the American Media big-wigs and the Hollywood left.

[SuziQ]

Our youngsters (even 42-year-olds, LOL!) need to learn 'real' history lessons - not the tales the PC teachers and liberal media spin.

I would say ESPECIALLY the 42 yr. olds. They are too young to remember the nightly images on TV, and the negativity of the media. All they they is what they've been taught in the textbooks, and we know that History is written by the 'victors', that is the liberal elite in this country, who did nothing but talk down our military and give a warped impression of our fighting men.

I think I'm on the homeschool bump list, but if I'm not, please add me to it! Both our kids are doing US history this year, and they'll be getting to the modern era sometime in Feb., so I'd like to get as much info as I can.

[skeeter]

Thanks for the ping - I really enjoy these threads.

[Jen]

Good morning! Thanks for dropping by the Foxhole today.

[ST.LOUIE1]

Donuts? Well sure Louie. There's a Dunkin' Donuts between my hootch and the Foxhole.

Gee, you must rate. All I have next to my hootch is a......foxhole.

You want jelly-filled or glazed? hahaha

Both! : )

[KC_Conspirator]

I know a guy who is veteran if Khe Sanh. He just won a seat in the Missouri House of Represetatives on November 5th.

[Jen]

I don't have anything to do with the Homeschool ping list. I know there is a thread for Homeschoolers in the General Interest forum and I'm sure whoever posts that thread would add you to the ping list for it.

I appreciate your support of our military and Veterans!

[matrix]

Thanks, Sam! Great thread!

[Jen]

Tell the truth! Did you know what a 'hootch' is before you searched Google? ;-)

[dighton]

Bump for SAMWolf's excellent post and "those beautiful Phantoms."

[SJackson]

Thanks for the ping.

To me, Tet 68 brought the ascendency of the ultra-liberal press. They took what turned out to be a defeat for the North Vietnamese into what seemed to be a victory for them

A wonderful book on that topic, if you can locate one (long, the abridged version is 600 pages)

The Big Story: How the American Press and Television Reported and Interpreted the Crisis of Tet 1968 in Vietnam and Washington [ABRIDGED]
by Peter Braestrup

[ST.LOUIE1]

Tell the truth! Did you know what a 'hootch' is before you searched Google? ;-)

Yes, learned it at the USO Canteen. : )

[dredhawk]

I appreciate you adding me to this list.
Right now, my new job, OTR Semi driver,
I haven't the time to cruise FR very often.
If adding me to this list is eating up too
many resources, then take me off. If not,
I look forward to reading when I have time.

[dcwusmc]

Marvelous thread. Keep up the good work. And may I suggest that sometime you do a post on Operation Buffalo, 2 July 67? A black moment in Marine Corps history but one in which the men of First Bn, 9th Marines aquitted themselves very well, indeed. A good friend was a platoon sgt/leader with Bravo 1/9 during Buffalo.

[Poohbah]

Bump for the "Death Rattlers" of VMFA-323...

[aculeus]

... and another bump.

[Scarlet_Pimpernil]

Thank you for your service to our country
From what I have read about the range and accuracy of weapons of the period, sounds like the NVA were extremely lucky to have scored a direct hit on the ammo dump, especially on the first day. They must have had a very strong position.
The Siege of Baghdad will be far different, my friend.

v/r
Navy Nuke Ship Driver (turned fighting Seabee in the reserves)

[stylin19a]

Through the siege of Khe Sahn, the Marines took care of Marine business.
This from the book:
SEMPER FI VIETNAM - From Da Nang To The DMZ by Edward Murphy

"General Cushman was adamant when he told MACV that he did not want an"implication of a rescue or breaking of the siege by outside forces".

To maintain that posture, Company B, which suffered 185 casualties, including 50 dead, during the siege, attacked out of the base early on the foggy morning of 30 March. Their stated objective was the recovery of the 25 bodies left behind from Lt. Jacques's patrol. Advancing with protective cover of a double box of artillery that dropped shells just 75 meters from them, Co. B's men made it to the dirt road without problems. When the artillery moved on, the Marines fixed bayonets and prepared for their attack. On signal, they charged across the road.

Just then, the fog lifted

The startled enemy responded by dropping dozens of mortar shells right on the Marines. One exploded smack in the middle of the command group, killing the RTO, the artillery FO, and the heavy mortar FO. The Co. commander, Capt. Kenneth W. Pipes, thought hit by shrapnel, urged his men onward. Using flame throwers, grenades,satchel charges and cold steel, the vengeful Marines destroyed one enemy bunker after another. By noon, it was over. The Marines killed 115 NVA in the fight.

The dead Marines of the lost patrol were recovered. Their remains had been undisturbed."

Semper Fi !