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Colonel Kurtz
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rat's feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without color,
Paralyzed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other kingdom
Remember us - if at all - not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

--
T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men quoted in Apocalypse Now


It's been 34 years since the Battle of Hamburger Hill as of this week. ABC News claims it was the turning point in the war. Huck makes many accusations here, and she raises even more questions. Just after our victory in Iraq, with the State Department coming under criticism and Israel under pressure to adhere to a new "roadmap for peace," Huck's warnings and recriminations from 1975 sound just as pertinent today. We will not preserve western civilization if we succumb to the self-imposed weaknesses the "conscienses" of American society imposed on our brave men in Vietnam so many years ago.

Never again. Never forget. Never forgive. Long may it wave.

1 posted on 05/11/2003 11:00:35 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk
President Clinton in Vietnam:
2 posted on 05/11/2003 11:09:44 PM PDT by risk
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(Image from http://currahee.hispeed.com/hamburgerhill.htm)


3 posted on 05/11/2003 11:37:42 PM PDT by risk
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From a Must Visit Site
Vipers Vietnam Veterans Page, A Vietnam Veteran & Proud Web Site
About Vietnam

The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history. Two American advisors were killed on July 8, 1959, and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.

Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran.  For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers.  And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.

5 posted on 05/13/2003 5:31:51 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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No one has even been fired for the failure of 9/11. It has become such a sickness on the part of the American public to ignore not failure but criminal negligence. We have developed a guilt free culture-without honor. Be it Vietnam, Kosovo, the stock market rip off of the last decade.

We need to hang a lot of people.

6 posted on 05/13/2003 6:19:31 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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...What a wondrous gift to be alive in a new Century of FREEDOM...

...as President BUSH has now promised its Return to Communist Vietnam, N. Korea and Cuba...

...as our best defense against future terrorist attacks.


Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE Guyer / Vet-U.S. 7th Cavalry's Opening Days of the Vietnam War 1965-66

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
9 posted on 05/13/2003 10:32:04 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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Note to self:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:cfr.org+vietnam
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:cfr.org+asia
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:cfr.org+mideast http://www.google.com/search?q=site:cfr.org+iraq
16 posted on 05/14/2003 2:18:35 AM PDT by risk
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BTTT
21 posted on 02/23/2004 7:01:38 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: risk
Reposted at jbs.org here.
25 posted on 04/29/2005 12:34:02 AM PDT by risk
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