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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Cowpens (1/17/1781) - May 13th, 2003
NPS ^ | Scott Withrow, Park Ranger

Posted on 05/13/2003 5:33:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: SAMWolf
As a South Carolinian, I just love this battle. To see an accurate movie that portrays the events leading up to this battle, watch Mel Gibson's The Patriot.

The 25th time I watched it I had a copy of Dr Walter Edgar's splendid "South Carolina, A History" open in my lap and read along. The history and movie are very close.

If you have to be one, be a Big Red One!

21 posted on 05/13/2003 8:26:11 AM PDT by Gamecock (The PCA; We're the "intolerant" ones! (As seen on Taglinus FreeRepublicus, 11th Edition)
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To: bentfeather; SAMWolf
Drive by posting. lol.

Good morning bentfeather, Sam, all!

Great history, great pics Sam.
22 posted on 05/13/2003 8:31:27 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Gamecock
I love "The Patriot." I have a copy.

It's unfortunate that the Souhern Campaign is pretty much ignored in the history of the Revolution in the Northern school system. Don't know if that's true in the South, but when I went to school it was a "Oh by the way, there was some fighting in the South" treatment. You'd think he whole Revolution took place in the Northern Colonies.
23 posted on 05/13/2003 8:44:44 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (K)nock it off, I read the *message*)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Morning Snippy. "Stay outta da meetings" today.
24 posted on 05/13/2003 8:45:28 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (K)nock it off, I read the *message*)
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To: Gamecock
To see an accurate movie that portrays the events leading up to this battle, watch Mel Gibson's The Patriot.

Loved The Patriot, but it took some liberties with history. In the movie, Colonel Tavington burned people in a church. The real life Colonel Tarleton didn't burn people, as far as I know. Tarleton did order cattle, hogs, and fowl driven into a barn where corn was stored, had the doors closed, and the barn put to the torch. [see the book, "The Road to Guilford Courthouse", by John Buchanan].

Where was PETA when we needed them?

IIRC, some British troops and their Indian allies burned people alive in cabins up in Pennsylvania during the war. So, in that sense, The Patriot did capture some of what happened, though they incorrectly attributed burning people to Tarleton.

Tarleton's troops apparently did kill surrendering American troops, which gave rise to the cry of "Tarleton's quarter" among the Americans. Tarleton was also pretty ruthless against civilians.

25 posted on 05/13/2003 9:19:53 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: SAMWolf; Gamecock
Thanks for the post, Sam. Cowpens is one of my favorite battles, too. I just love the way the patriots used British arrogance to trick them into a charge only to be trapped in a double envelopement by the "broken" militia.

So, who was the model for the Mel Gibson character in the Patriot?

26 posted on 05/13/2003 9:28:33 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
So, who was the model for the Mel Gibson character in the Patriot?

He was actually three rolled into one: Thomas Sumter (The Gamecock) Francis Marion (The Swampfox) and the Pickens character mentioned above.

Tarleton in the movie was renamed Tavington, while Cornwallis remained the same.

27 posted on 05/13/2003 9:38:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (The PCA; We're the "intolerant" ones! (As seen on Taglinus FreeRepublicus, 11th Edition)
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To: Gamecock
I had no trouble recognizing the Tarleton character - they made him a real baddie!

BTW, remember the old Disney TV series about Francis Marion? I used to love that show, but since Leslie Nielson did all those comedies I can't watch swamp fox without cracking up!

28 posted on 05/13/2003 9:43:31 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Gamecock
Thakns Gamecock.

I'm familiar with Francis Marion (Have an upcoming thread on him) but didn't know the other two, although I knew the Gibson character was a composite.
29 posted on 05/13/2003 9:47:04 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (K)nock it off, I read the *message*)
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To: SAMWolf

Today's classic warship, USS Cowpens (CVL-25)

Independence class light aircraft carrier
Displacement: 11,000 t.>br> Length: 622'6"
Beam: 71'6"
Extreme Width: 109'2"
Draft: 26'
Speed: 32 k.
Complement: 1,569
Armament: 26 40mm, 16 20mm, 30 aircraft
Nickname: The Mighty Moo

USS Cowpens (CV-25) was launched 17 January 1943 by New York Shipbuilding Corp., Camden, N.J., sponsored by Mrs. M. H. Spruance; daughter of Vice Admiral W. F. Halsey; and commissioned 28 May 1943, Captain R. P. McConnell in command. She was reclassified CVL-25 on 15 July 1943.

Departing Philadelphia 29 August 1943, Cowpens arrived at Pearl Harbor 19 September to begin the active and distinguished war career in which she was to earn a Navy Unit Commendation. She sailed with TF 14 for the strike on Wake Island on 5 and 6 October, then returned to Pearl Harbor to prepare for strikes on the Marshall Islands preliminary to invasion. She sortied from Pearl Harbor 10 November to launch air strikes on Mille and Makin atolls between 19 and 24 November, and Kwajalein and Wotje on 4 December, returning to her base 9 December.

Joining the vast carrier TF 58, Cowpens sailed from Pearl Harbor 16 January 1944 for the invasion of the Marshalls. Her planes pounded Kwajalein and Eniwetok the last 3 days of the month to prepare for the assault landing on the 31st. Using Majuro as a base, the force struck at Truk on 16 and 17 February and the Marianas on 21 and 22 February before putting in to Pearl Harbor 4 March. Returning to Majuro, TF 58 based here for attacks on the western Carolines; Cowpens supplied air and antisubmarine patrols during the raids on Palau, Yap, Ulithi and Woleai from 30 March to 1 April. After operating off New Guinea during the invasion of Hollandia from 21 to 28 April, Cowpens took part in the strikes on Truk, Satawan and Ponape between 29 April and 1 May, returning to Majuro 14 May for training.

From 6 June to 10 July 1944, Cowpens operated in the Marianas operation. Her planes struck the island of Saipan to aid the assault troops, and made supporting raids on Iwo Jima, Pagan, Rota, and Guam. They also took part in the Battle of the Philippine Sea on 19 and 20 June, accounting for a number of the huge tally of enemy planes downed. After a brief overhaul at Pearl Harbor, Cowpens rejoined the fast carrier task force at Eniwetok on 17 August. On the 29th, she sailed for the preinvasion strikes on the Palaus, whose assault was an essential preliminary to the return to the Philippines. From 13 to 17 September, she was detached from the force to cover the landings on Morotai, then rejoined it for sweep, patrol, and attack missions a gainst Luzon from 21 to 24 September. Cowpens, with her task group, flew strikes to neutralize Japanese bases on Okinawa and Formosa from 10 to 14 October, and when CANBERRA (CA-70) and HOUSTON (CL-81) were hit by torpedoes, Cowpens provided air cover for their safe withdrawal, rejoining her task group 20 October. En route to Ulithi, she was recalled when the Japanese Fleet threatened the Leyte invasion, and during the Battle of Surigao Strait phase of the decisive Battle for Leyte Gulf on 25 and 26 October, provided combat air patrol for the ships pursuing the fleeing remnant of the Japanese fleet. Continuing her support of the Philippines advance, Cowpens' planes struck Luzon repeatedly during December. During the disastrous typhoon of 18 December, Cowpens lost one man, planes and equipment but skillful work by her crew prevented major damage, and she reached Ulithi safely 21 December to repair her storm damage.

Between 30 December 1944 and 26 January 1945, Cowpens was at sea for the Lingayen Gulf landings. Her planes struck targets on Formosa, Luzon, the Indo-Chinese coast and the Hong Kong-Canton area and Okinawa during January. On 10 February, Cowpens sortied from Ulithi for the Iwo Jima operation, striking the Tokyo area, supporting the initial landings from 19 to 22 February, and hitting Okinawa on 1 March.

After overhaul at San Francisco and training at Pearl Harbor, Cowpens sailed 13 June for San Pedro Bay, Leyte, on her way striking Wake Island on 20 June. Rejoining TF 58, Cowpens sailed from San Pedro Bay 1 July to join in the final raids on the Japanese mainland. Her planes pounded Tokyo, Kure, and other cities of Hokkaido and Honshu until 15 August. Remaining off Tokyo Bay until the occupation landings began 30 August, Cowpens launched photographic reconnaissance missions to patrol airfields and shipping movements, and to locate and supply prisoner-of-war camps. Men from Cowpens were largely responsible for the emergency activation of Yokosuka airfield for Allied use. Between 8 November 1945 and 28 January 1946 Cowpens made two voyages to Pearl Harbor, Guam, and Okinawa to return veterans. Placed in commission in reserve at Mare Island 3 December 1946, Cowpens was decommissioned 13 January 1947.

Reclassified as an "Aircraft Transport", with hull number AVT-1, on 15 May 1959, while in reserve. Stricken from the Navy List on 1 November 1959 and sold for scrap in 1960.

In addition to her Navy Unit Commendation, Cowpens received 12 battle stars for World War II service.

30 posted on 05/13/2003 10:34:12 AM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: aomagrat
Morning aomagrat.

Somehow I just knew the USS COWPENS would be the ship of choice today. Thanks

FYI - I have a thread on TAFFY-3 coming up that will cover the "jeep" carriers.
31 posted on 05/13/2003 10:46:34 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (K)nock it off, I read the *message*)
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To: colorado tanker
BTW, remember the old Disney TV series about Francis Marion

Hmmm, I don't seem to remember that.... When was it on?

32 posted on 05/13/2003 1:01:05 PM PDT by Gamecock (The PCA; We're the "intolerant" ones! (As seen on Taglinus FreeRepublicus, 11th Edition)
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To: Gamecock
Oh boy, you nailed me on my age. The show was on in the '50's, but you can occaisionally catch it in reruns.
33 posted on 05/13/2003 1:09:49 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Gamecock
1959 to 1961.
34 posted on 05/13/2003 1:16:39 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (K)nock it off, I read the *message*)
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To: AntiJen
Here's a bump.
35 posted on 05/13/2003 1:39:17 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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To: SAMWolf

USS Francis Marion
APA-LPA 249

Commissioned: July 6 1961
De-Commissioned: Sept 14 1979 ....Transferred to Spanish Navy (Argon 80)

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Francis Marion

36 posted on 05/13/2003 2:39:55 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks Snippy. Never knew they had a ship named after Marion.
37 posted on 05/13/2003 3:06:11 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (K)nock it off, I read the *message*)
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To: SAMWolf
Your quite welcome Sam. Good to see I teach you a thing or two. LOL.
38 posted on 05/13/2003 3:54:46 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: rustbucket
You kind of wonder sometimes, who committed the first brutal act. The South was mainly everybody trying to get even with everybody else.
39 posted on 05/13/2003 4:25:54 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Served in Korea, Vietnam and still fighting America's enemies on Home Front)
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To: Gamecock
Slightly after TV was invented.
40 posted on 05/13/2003 4:28:54 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Served in Korea, Vietnam and still fighting America's enemies on Home Front)
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