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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Sinking of HMT Rohna (Nov. 26, 1943) - July 6th, 2003
http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/book_excerpt.asp?bookid=119 ^ | James G. Bennett

Posted on 07/06/2003 12:02:40 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Dear Lord,

There's a young man far from home,
called to serve his nation in time of war;
sent to defend our freedom
on some distant foreign shore.

We pray You keep him safe,
we pray You keep him strong,
we pray You send him safely home ...
for he's been away so long.

There's a young woman far from home,
serving her nation with pride.
Her step is strong, her step is sure,
there is courage in every stride.
We pray You keep her safe,
we pray You keep her strong,
we pray You send her safely home ...
for she's been away too long.

Bless those who await their safe return.
Bless those who mourn the lost.
Bless those who serve this country well,
no matter what the cost.

Author Unknown

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FReepers from the The Foxhole
join in prayer for all those serving their country at this time.

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Forgotten Tragedy:
The Sinking of HMT Rohna


On November 26, 1943, the United States suffered the greatest loss at sea in its history when the HMT Rohna was sunk by a guided missile launched from a German bomber off the coast of North Africa. At the time of the disaster, the HMT Rohna, a British-registered troopship with a crew of one hundred ninety five, was transporting one thousand, nine hundred eighty one American troops and seven Red Cross personnel to the China-Burma-India theater of war. Before the dawn of November 27, 1943, one thousand and fifteen American troops, three Red Cross personnel and one hundred twenty crewmen perished. Hundreds died when the missile struck the Rohna at her shelter deck level and exploded near the after end of the engine room and the No. 6 troops deck. Others perished from cold and exhaustion when darkness and rough seas hampered rescue efforts.



News of this catastrophe was suppressed by the War Department and limited to the meager information in two telegrams to the parents. The following are representative of the information:

"December 29, 1943. (Name) was passenger aboard troop ship which was sunk as a result of enemy action. Ship struck at night and sank very rapidly. Despite every effort many American soldiers listed as missing as a result of this action. (Name) still listed as missing but little hope held that he is still alive."

"May 15, 1944. The Secretary of War asks that I assure you of his deep regret in the loss of your son (name) who was listed as missing in action. Report received in the War Department establishes the fact that your son's death occurred on twenty seven, November nineteen forty three."



To compound this tragedy, this is the extent of the details furnished the grieving fathers and mothers even to this day. This even remains virtually unknown to the public, and families still do not know how their loved ones died. Over eight hundred bodies were never recovered, and their remains are scattered over hundreds of miles at the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea.

The question arises as to why the sinking of the Rohna was kept secret for decades after the war ended. Some say that very little information is available since it was a British ship, therefore, the Rohna never became an American household word, as did the Arizona and the Indianapolis. It is easy to understand why the British government has little information in their archives on the Rohna sinking. They certainly should be reluctant to let the public know that the Captain of the Rohna permitted the lives of American troops to be put in jeopardy by putting them on a ship with practically all of the lifeboats hanging on chains rusted in place, making launching all but impossible. Rafts that were supposed to save lives went down with their ship permanently rusted to their slides. Also, no captain would want it known that his crew was the first to leave the doomed Rohna leaving the American troops to try to launch the lifeboats and rafts as best they could, struggling with equpment totally unfamiliar to them. Is it any wonder that brothers and sisters and other family members are still searching for the circumstances that took the lives of their loved ones! Mothers and fathers went to their graves never knowing the circumstances of the death of their sons. Some, in desperation, went to fortune tellers in hopes that they could shed some light on their sons' last hours on this earth. As late as August 1993, a letter from a family member to the Pentagon requesting information on the event that took her brother's life went unanswered!



One can speculate endlessly, but there will never be justification for the callous and insensitive position taken by the War Department when details of this tragedy were withheld for decades from the families who lost loved ones on the Rohna.

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Thursday, November 26, 1943. British troopship Rohna is under way from Oran to Port Said in an Allied convoy. She carries two thousand American soldiers. At four-twenty that afternoon, German bombers find the convoy, and they begin circling it.



Troops on the Rohna are puzzled by several smaller airplanes flying below the bombers. Are they allied fighters, there to protect them? Then a couple of those small planes attack the ship ahead of the Rhona. Moments later another comes directly at Rohna. First it falls away from a mother plane, then it accelerates. At 5:30 PM, it strikes the Rohna's port flank at enormous speed.

The device blows open a huge hole, killing hundreds outright. The burning ship sinks, and, when the smoke clears, 1135 troops and crew have died. The images of burned and damaged bodies are a horror that will remain etched on survivors and rescuers alike. One of the least-known weapons of WW-II has just inflicted the greatest American death toll on any ship that went down.

As a pre-teenager, I followed the aerial war closely, yet this is news to me. For the Rohna disaster was hushed up. Its survivors were bundled off to the war in Asia without so much as the chance to grieve. We at home didn't hear about it at all.



What'd struck the ship was something called a glide bomb. Glide bombs had first been used in WW-I. Dirigibles had tried dropping bombs with stubby wings that could glide into the side, rather than the top, of a target.

That idea came back in WW-II. The Germans, Russians, English, Japanese, and Americans all worked on it, but only the Germans and Americans made usable weapons of it. The Germans were first. They realized that such a device had to be radio-controlled, and it needed a rocket booster to get it past enemy fire.

By 1943 the Germans were using glide bombs in combat. The Henschel-293 that destroyed Rohna was a small unmanned airplane with stubby wings and an 1100-pound bomb. Pilot Hans Dochterman dropped it from his Heinkel bomber at about four thousand feet. The rocket kicked in as it fell, and Dochterman's bombardier, Georg Zuther, steered it into the Rohna from a safe distance. It may've been moving over five hundred miles an hour when it struck.



America was developing its own glide bombs by then, and we imposed secrecy on the whole business. Soon after that we'd gained air superiority in Europe, and German glide bombs were no longer a threat. We went on to create our own glide bombs and were soon using them with murderous effect against enemy bridges. By war's end, the Japanese had developed an even more sinister version of the technology. It was the human-flown Kamikaze bomb.

And so the cold waters of the Mediterranean closed over that terrible November day. Rohna went down, and we in America never knew. Secrets had to be kept. And a war had to be won.

John Lienhard

Thanks to Freeper Snopercod for suggesting this Thread



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Rohna Survivor Tells Tale Of Heroism And Patriotism

More than 1,000 U.S. servicemen died Nov. 26, 1943, when the HMT Rohna troopship was sunk in the Mediterranean.

There were more than 900 survivors.

“I’m going to say, the ones I know, there are possibly 100 (survivors still alive). That’s only a guess,” said Wayne L. Coy, 76, Syracuse-Webster Road, Syracuse. He is one of the few remaining survivors of the Rohna.

Yet, to this day, neither the survivors nor their families have received official recognition. Most of the families of the casualties have not even been told the fate of their loved ones.



Remaining survivors and families are now asking that those who died more than 50 years ago receive the posthumous award of the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star. For the survivors of the sinking, living and deceased, no less than the Bronze Star is being sought; the Purple Heart for those where medically justified.

“It has since been decided,” said Coy, “that it was the biggest loss of Americans in World War II.”

According to Coy, “The main reason it (wasn’t) declassified is because we were hit by a secret weapon at the time. ... When it was declassified, it was dropped in red tape.”

The weapon that sank the ship was the second Henschel 293 bomb dropped by a German aircraft, flown by Major Dochtermann. The first one was a dud, Coy said. At 20 feet long and 15 feet wide, the bomb was radio-controlled.



“The reason there’s never been a battle ribbon given out was because we were ... assigned to whoever needed it and we were earmarked to go on to the Far East, so we were never assigned to an outfit in this theater, and so there’s no one to give us a battle star or any other kind of citation,” Coy said.

Coy had been in the service for approximately three months when the bomb hit the ship. At 20 years old, he was one of the youngest private first classmen on the ship.

When the attack happened, Coy said, he and many others went below decks. “We just waited to be hit,” he said. “Everything went dead.” The ship had been hit “right in the middle, above the water line.” By the time he jumped off the ship into the water, the ship was at a 30-degree angle.



“It happened in the Mediterranean. Oran is the city we left from. The battle was probably along Algiers,” he said.

“Everybody was issued a life vest. I never thought I’d see one (again), but they had one at the 50th reunion.” The life jackets were gas filled, he said.

“The water was rough – 25-foot waves. ... It was at dusk. A bunch of us got together,” he said.

More than 600 of the men boarded the USS Pioneer, while other men boarded the British ships Atherstone, Clan Campbell and Mindful. Coy was on the Pioneer, a 125-foot mine sweeper.



Coy said, “(It) picked up 600-plus survivors. They were afraid of that ship capsizing because so many people were aboard.”

After the Rohna sank and men began boarding other ships, Coy saved the life of an officer from New York, “Skip” Sullivan.

Sullivan was in the water and “he was having trouble, mainly with the waves,” Coy said. Coy helped Sullivan stay afloat and helped get him up the ropes of the USS Pioneer. Sullivan was approximately 36; Wayne was 20.

They were taken to Phillipeville and then went from there by rail to Bizerte. “At the time, that was the worst bombed place there was,” Coy said.

“Once we got aboard the next ship, we went on to the Suez Canal ... and landed in Bombay,” he said.



Coy’s wife, Betty, 74, said, “The government owes all the dead and the living a month’s pay. They didn’t get a month’s pay after it happened.”

“All records were wiped out and they had to be redone,” said Coy.

A high school friend of Coy’s, Bill Wagoner of Warsaw, who was a pilot in Coy’s outfit, went home from the war ahead of Coy. “He said, ‘Anything you want me to take home, I’ll take home for you.’ So I wrote my story about the shipwreck and everything else and (told it) to my mother and dad. He carried it home in the bell of his trumpet. He never took it out of that bell until he was at my mom and dad’s house,” Coy said.

Betty Coy added, “Your mail was all censored and everything. You couldn’t get anything by.”

Coy still has the letter. He also has newspaper clippings, pictures and books on the sinking of the Rohna. “I have quite a collection,” he said.



Coy does have a Purple Heart. After the remaining men from the Rohna were transferred to other outfits, the outfit Coy went to was awarded Purple Hearts. “But only a few (of the Rohna survivors) ended up (with Purple Hearts). The rest got nothing.”

Betty Coy said the effort to get Purple Hearts and battle stars for the men of Rohna “is nationwide. I don’t know if they’ll get anything accomplished, but they’re going full force with it, I guess.”

David Slone

1 posted on 07/06/2003 12:02:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf
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To: AntiJen; snippy_about_it; Victoria Delsoul; SassyMom; bentfeather; MistyCA; GatorGirl; radu; ...
TEXT OF SPEECH
BY CONGRESSMAN JACK METCALF
TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
SEPTEMBER 12, 2000

REMEMBERING THE SINKING OF THE HMT ROHNA

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Metcalf) is recognized for 5 minutes.

Mr. METCALF. Mr. Speaker, the greatest naval disaster in the United States during World War II was the sinking of the USS Arizona. 1,177 were killed.

The Arizona has been memorialized in the national consciousness.

On November 26, 1943, however, a loss of American military personnel of almost identical magnitude occurred when the British troop transport ship, the HMT Rohna, was sunk by a radio-controlled rocket-boosted bomb launched from a German bomber off the coast of North Africa. By the next day, 1,015 American troops and more than 100 British and Allied officers and crewmen had perished.



The U.S. troops aboard the Rohna have been largely forgotten by their country. I only learned of this disaster because a neighbor of mine on Whidbey Island had a brother who was lost when the Rohna was sunk. He made me aware of the issue and the book about the sinking of the Rohna.

It is a grim story. Hundreds died when the German missile struck. The majority, however, died from exposure and drowning when darkness and rough seas limited the rescue efforts. Less than half, over 900, survived, which was less than half. American, British and French rescue workers worked valiantly to save those Rohna passengers and crew who made it off the ship and into the ocean. The USS Pioneer picked up two-thirds of all those that were saved, 606 GIs. Many of those in the water had to endure hours of chilling temperatures before being picked up. As the evening moved into the middle of the night and the early morning hours, some men were speechless with the cold. Many died deaths of unbelievable agony.

The United States Government had not properly acknowledged this event.

Because inadequate records were kept, some survivors had to fight for years to prove that the Rohna even existed, let alone that survivors might be due some recognition.



Finally, at a 1996 memorial dedication honoring the Americans who died on the Rohna, survivor John Fievet spoke the following words:

I dedicate this memorial to the memory of those who fell in the service of our country. I dedicate it in the names of those who offered their lives that justice, freedom and democracy might survive to be the victorious ideals of the world. The lives of those who made the supreme sacrifice are glorious before us. Their deeds are an inspiration. As they served America in the time of war, yielding their last full measure of devotion, may we serve America in time of peace. I dedicate this monument to them, and with it, I dedicate this society to the faithful service of our country and the preservation of the memory of those who died, that liberty might live.

The men who gave their lives for their country on board this ship were heroes who deserve to be recognized and not forgotten. Parents of virtually all of them died without learning how their sons had died, because this was something that was not made public. Their brothers and sisters, wives and children need to hear their story. All Americans need to learn of their bravery and sacrifice. Not only do the victims of the tragic sinking need to be honored, but also their comrades, who survived, to be sent on to the Burma-India-China theater of the war and there to serve valiantly.

On November 11, 1993, Charles Osgood featured the Rohna story on his widespread radio program. For the first time, in 1993, a broad cross-section of America got to hear the story of some of its unknown warriors. Osgood revisited the subject two weeks later. According to Osgood, `It is not that we forgot, it is just that we never knew.'

Americans need to know about the Rohna. They need to know about the men, who died on board, sacrificing their lives in the fight against tyranny.

Americans need to know, and certainly must never forget.

Additional Sources:

www.uh.edu/engines/epi1583.htm
www.timeswrsw.com/N0804002.HTM
www.whidbey.net/rohna/congress.html
www.kcts.org
www.concentric.net

2 posted on 07/06/2003 12:03:35 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: All
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION # 408

Passed the House of representatives October 10, 2000

Passed the U.S. Senate by Unanimous Consent October 27, 2000

Whereas on November 26, 1943, a German bomber off the coast of North Africa sunk the British transport HMT ROHNA with a radio controlled, rocket-boosted bomb;

Whereas 1,015 United States service members and more than 100 British and Allied officers and crewmen perished as a result of the attack;

Whereas hundreds died immediately when the bomb struck and hundreds more died when darkness and rough seas limited rescue efforts;

Whereas many families still do not know the circumstances of the deaths of loved ones who died as a result of the attack;

Whereas more than 900 United States service members survived the attack under extremely adverse circumstances;

Whereas United States, British, and French rescuers worked valiantly to save the passengers and crew who made it off the HMT ROHNA into the sea;

Whereas one United States ship, the USS PIONEER, picked up many of those who were saved;

Whereas because of inadequate record keeping, some survivors of the attack struggled for years to verify the details of the sinking of the HMT ROHNA;

Whereas the men who died as a result of the attack on the HMT ROHNA have been largely forgotten by the Nation and;

Whereas the Congress and the people of the United States have never recognized the bravery and sacrifice of the United States service members who died as a result of the sinking of the HMT ROHNA or the United States service members who survived the sinking and continued to serve the Nation valiantly abroad during the war:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That the Congress expresses appreciation for--

  1. the United States service members who died in the sinking of the HMT ROHNA, for the heroic sacrifice they made for freedom and the defense of the Nation;
  2. the United States service members who survived the sinking of the HMT ROHNA, for their bravery in the face of disaster and their subsequent service during the war on behalf of the Nation;
  3. the families of all of these service members; and
  4. the United States, British, and French rescuers, especially the crew of the USS PIONEER, who endangered their lives to save the passengers and crew of the HMT ROHNA.


3 posted on 07/06/2003 12:04:03 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: All

4 posted on 07/06/2003 12:04:47 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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.......FALL IN to the FReeper Foxhole!

.......Good Sunday Morning Everyone!


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5 posted on 07/06/2003 2:59:52 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Morning, Snippy. How's it going?
6 posted on 07/06/2003 3:07:37 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.
Good morning EGC.

Storms rolled through last night more expected today. It's 66 degrees and humidity is 96. lol. Ohio is a sauna again today.
7 posted on 07/06/2003 3:13:46 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf; First_Salute
Thanks, and nicely done. I still find it amazing that this incident has been covered up for so long. I never would have known about it at all were it not for The History Channel.

The video History Undercover: The Rohna Disaster: WWII's Secret Tragedy is available - $24.95 VHS. Also on DVD.

James G. Bennett's book, The Rohna Disaster: World War II's Secret Tragedy is available on Half.com for $17.50 (paperback)

8 posted on 07/06/2003 3:32:37 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: SAMWolf
Incredible story, thanks for posting this.
9 posted on 07/06/2003 4:38:08 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; *all
Good morning Sam, snippy, everyone. Have a great day!
10 posted on 07/06/2003 5:37:27 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it
I'm in.
New story section on DD thread.
Post 461 on that thread 4. .you'll know when you've hit it.
Link it for you later.
11 posted on 07/06/2003 5:53:28 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Clinton honesty for sale, write your own and Hill will take credit for it, cheap.")
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
I'm in, Sam.
And just re-read this to make absolutely sure I got the whole of it.
The Rohna sinking was censored and covered up because we were working on glide bombs, and the Germans sank her with a glide bomb..
How.. stupid.

But I hear that is a reality.
Those in charge do stupid things in certain circumstances.
12 posted on 07/06/2003 6:01:04 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Clinton honesty for sale, write your own and Hill will take credit for it, cheap.")
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To: bentfeather
Good morning feather.
13 posted on 07/06/2003 6:07:41 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Darksheare
Thank you Darksheare, keep me pinged!
14 posted on 07/06/2003 6:08:15 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Darksheare
The U.S. and its allies made it a habit in WW2 to withhold the truth for large losses of life. Two other examples:
the Belgian transport ship "Leopoldville", packed U.S. G.I.'s losing 748. torpedoed by an U-boat. And During an exercise called operation Tiger that took place in the English Channel when German E-boats torpedoed 3 LSTs killing 749.

Both of these incidences were not widely known until years after the war.

15 posted on 07/06/2003 6:45:58 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Thanks for the info.
16 posted on 07/06/2003 6:52:33 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Clinton honesty for sale, write your own and Hill will take credit for it, cheap.")
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To: snippy_about_it
Welcome.
17 posted on 07/06/2003 6:53:11 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Clinton honesty for sale, write your own and Hill will take credit for it, cheap.")
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Hey guys. I am just checking in. I have to start lunch, but I'll be back in a bit. I miss you all. Thanks for the dedicated hard work.
18 posted on 07/06/2003 6:57:43 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Hi Spooky. Good to see you.

What's for lunch?
19 posted on 07/06/2003 7:00:34 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf
Good Morning Everybody.
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20 posted on 07/06/2003 9:48:13 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Morning, Snippy.


21 posted on 07/06/2003 10:46:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: snopercod
Thank you Snopercod for bringing this to our attention. I was surprised when I found out how much info there is about this on the net.
22 posted on 07/06/2003 10:48:57 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: exnavy
Thank you exnavy.

Another thread suggested by a Freeper.(Snopercod). I'm finding that Freepers aare a good source for subject matter.
23 posted on 07/06/2003 10:51:00 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: bentfeather
Hi Feather.
24 posted on 07/06/2003 10:51:26 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: SAMWolf
SAM,

thank you for my flowers, they are very pretty.
25 posted on 07/06/2003 10:53:38 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Darksheare
This wasn't the only incident "covered up" during the war. Off the top of my head there was the "Slapton Sands" disaster and the "Leopoldville" sinking too.
26 posted on 07/06/2003 10:54:03 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: SpookBrat
Hi Sppoky!!! How's it going?
27 posted on 07/06/2003 10:55:22 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: Fiddlstix
Good Morning Fiddlstix.

Looks like I'm late and only get the dregs of the coffee today.
28 posted on 07/06/2003 11:01:10 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: SAMWolf
Looks like I'm late and only get the dregs of the coffee today.

LOL. I'm running late today too J

29 posted on 07/06/2003 11:19:21 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
For lunch? Ribs and corn on the cob. A very messy thing to eat with white clothes on. LOL

Hiya SAM. How are you? I'm busy with study right now. I'm reading about the fall of Rome. I have to teach American History this coming year and all I'm doing is cleaning house and reading. We are doing an ocean unit study for 6 weeks so we're spending a lot of time at the beach.

((((hugs))))

30 posted on 07/06/2003 11:40:02 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Ribs, corn and the beach, sounds great! Thanks for taking the time to stop in and say hello.
31 posted on 07/06/2003 11:44:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf; All
SAM, or anyone else.....I need some history books I can check out of the library which have a "fair and balanced" view of the civil war. I need to read up on it for my class, but I'm cautious about reading material. Have you or anyone else read anything good that I can trust?
32 posted on 07/06/2003 11:45:47 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: snippy_about_it
I'm always here in love and spirit. I wish I could get in here to visit more. I keep thinking life will slow down and I'll have time to play again. The kids, home schooling, the house, my husband coming home and my business are keeping me swamped. But I'm happy! :) Life is good.

xoxox

33 posted on 07/06/2003 11:52:06 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat; stainlessbanner; SCDogPapa
Ping to our Southern Foxhole friends.

Spooky, that's great that you are doing well. Know that while you're busy you can be sure we haven't forgot you.

For books on the Civil War, I read the biography of of Jefferson Davis, American by William J Cooper, Jr. (it was fair and balanced) and gives you a good look at why the South made decisions it did. States rights.

I have, but confess that I haven't read it yet, When the Yankees Came by Stephen Ash. Subtitle is Conflict and Chaos in the Occupied South, 1861-1865.

I wanted to avoid books telling only the Northern side as I believe the South was within their rights and had an honest goal.

Good luck. I'm sure some of our Southern readers can help so I'll ping a couple and they can ping more.
34 posted on 07/06/2003 12:11:53 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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Good afternoon, everyone! Good thread and graphics, Sam.

Happy Birthday GW!!!


click on the graphic

35 posted on 07/06/2003 12:22:36 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Afternoon Victoria. Hope W is having a happy day!



Good song. It's good he left plenty of good music.
36 posted on 07/06/2003 12:25:26 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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One of the best written autobiographies is Gen. Richard Taylor's Destruction and Reconstruction. Richard Taylor was the son of President Zachary Taylor (Old Rough and Ready). For a different perspective on the war, I recommend reading about Stand Watie, a Cherokee Confederate General.
37 posted on 07/06/2003 12:28:27 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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Thanks DeaconBenjamin for the recommendation.
38 posted on 07/06/2003 12:33:23 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SpookBrat
That's going back a lot farther in History than I usually get in to. For me it gets interesting about the time of the American Revolution.
39 posted on 07/06/2003 12:45:16 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: SpookBrat
The Bruce Catton Trilogy is old but good.

"The Coming Fury"
"Terrible Swift Sword"
"Never Call Retreat"

He covers the entire war without getting real bogged down in details. They're still my favorite series on the War.


40 posted on 07/06/2003 12:47:58 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Afternoon Victoria.

I didn't know it was GW's birthday. Thanks for pointing it out.


You picked the best song Barry White did(IMHO)
41 posted on 07/06/2003 12:51:49 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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Sinking of the "Rohna"-A virtually unknown WWII tragedy
By Michael Logue

Few people have ever heard about the sinking of the Rohna, or the 1,105 American soldiers who died in the worst at-sea disaster in U.S. history. But Charles "Dutch" Beard, a retiree from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, has not forgotten. He was on the Rohna when a German guided missile sank her during World War II.

The HMT (Her Majesty's Transport) Rohna was a dilapidated old British merchant vessel converted to troopship. She sailed from Oran, Algeria, bound for Bombay, India, carrying 1,981 U.S. soldiers, including Beard, a young lieutenant in the 853rd Aviation Battalion. The Rohna also carried seven Red Cross personnel, and 195 Indian crewmen and British officers.

The Rohna was part of convoy KMF-26. On Nov. 26, 1943, about 30 Luftwaffe bombers attacked the convoy. Several of the Hinkel 177 long-range bombers carried two Hs293 remote-controlled glider bombs, one under each wing. The Hs293 was, in effect, the first air-launched cruise missile. A rocket engine launched the bomb away from the bomber, then it glided toward its target under remote (radio) control.

One of these weapons struck the Rohna on its port side just above the waterline, the first successful war-strike by such a weapon. It exploded in the engine room, blowing a huge hole at the waterline on the opposite side.

The old Rohna sank in less than an hour. The sinking claimed 1,015 U.S. servicemen, three Red Cross workers, and 134 Indian crewmen and British officers, making it the worst at-sea disaster in U.S. history.

And Beard was headed for 12 hours of hell.

"The first thing I did was pick up all the life vests that I could that were floating near me," he recalled. "I had one around my waist and one under each arm. I had that much sense about me."

Most of his comrades were not so lucky. "Some were killed by the blast. Some just gave out."

Beard was rescued by a British destroyer, the Holcomb, and he was apparently the last survivor picked out of the water. He spent 17 days in the hospital before being recalled to the 853rd Aviation Battalion, an engineer unit which was to build airfields and anything else needed in India. But Beard's troubles were still not over.

"I was wearing a British uniform they had given me at the hospital and was picked up by the military police for being out of uniform," he said. His commander secured his release.

For security reasons, the War Department immediately suppressed all news of the Rohna catastrophe. As company commander, Beard was the assigned the duty of writing letters to the families of his fallen buddies.

"Everything was so secret that I couldn't tell them what had happened to their loved ones." The only thing Beard could write, the only thing any notification letter ever said, was that the victim was "killed in action" or "missing at sea and presumed dead."

After the war and the successful completion of their mission in India, Beard returned to Vidalia where he had worked for the Corps before the war. He came home with a Purple Heart and a raging case of malaria.

"I had it so bad I had to go to the hospital in Natchez," Beard said. Lucky for him. With a fever of 106, Beard asked his attending nurse to marry him. She accepted and became his wife.

Beard quickly returned to work with Vicksburg District, staying until his retirement in 1976. Then he continued to work with contractors until about 1990.

The U.S. government maintained the secrecy around the sinking of the Rohna. The story didn't surface until the mid-1960s. In the early 1990s, the survivors and the victim's families began to obtain the details under the Freedom of Information Act. On May 30, 1996, a memorial to the Rohna was dedicated at the Fort Mitchell National Cemetery in Seale, Ala.

So, Beard is now something of a celebrity in the community and has been featured in the newspaper several times recently. His loyalty to the Vidalia Area Office runs deep. "I still have coffee down there every morning."

And daily he remembers his buddies from the Rohna, keeping alive the memory of those who never made it to India and never made it home.

42 posted on 07/06/2003 12:56:43 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Present!
43 posted on 07/06/2003 1:45:17 PM PDT by manna
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To: manna
:)
44 posted on 07/06/2003 1:46:00 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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Hi Snippy, thanks. I'm enjoying the last hours of sun sunbathing like crazy, LOL. I'm brown… I like it that way.

45 posted on 07/06/2003 1:53:19 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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Hi Sam, yes, I like that song as well. Here is another one, but I think the song I posted before is better.


46 posted on 07/06/2003 1:57:09 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
The other song is much better. Glad you are enjoying your day.
47 posted on 07/06/2003 2:06:57 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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I thought so. :-D
48 posted on 07/06/2003 2:14:58 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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He was best at the slow stuff. Never heard this one before.
49 posted on 07/06/2003 4:39:48 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Xerox never comes up with anything original.)
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Truth censored to accomplish CYA: I am shocked, shocked.

Two-thirds through Amy Waters Yarsinske's excellent detailed account of the downing of Speicher's Hornet and the ensuing burning run for the head to dog the hatch by those "in authority".

A Mig-25 blew through the flight of Hornets bearing HARMs. An AF F-15 fired a new AIM at the Mig and got Speicher.

That much is clear from the assembled data. But Speicher's successful ejection and repeated signals were denied.

Now we read of the captain and crew of Rohna abandoning ship in the only working lifeboats.

Yet the coverup of the loss of a thousand was attributed to a "see-cret whep-pon".

Air-to-surface missile, Henschel Hs 293 A-1

The Hs 293 was a German air-launched missile for use against ships or ground targets. It was basically a glide bomb, assisted by a liquid-propellant rocket motor of 600 kg (1320 lbs.) thrust with a duration of 10 seconds, powered by highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide with a sodium permanganate catalyst. The missile was either carried under the wings or in the bomb bay of He 111, He 177, Fw 200, and Do 217 aircraft. The warhead contained 295 kg (649 lbs.) of Trialene 105 high explosive and was a modified SC 500 bomb. Guidance was by means of the Strassburg/Kehl system, in which the bombardier operated a joy stick in the aircraft to send radio commands (a wire-guided version was also developed). Beginning in mid-1943, Hs 293s sank a number of Allied ships, mostly in the Mediterranean theater. Despite the many sub-variants of the missile, only the Hs 293 A-1 model was produced in quantity, and this appears to be an example.

Henschel Hs 293

http://home.inreach.com/rickylaw/dictatorship/wonder/missile/hs293/hs293.html

The beginning ideas that were to evolve into the Henschel Hs 293 appeared in as early as 1939. In 1940, an experimental model having the shape of a glider was built. The goal was to develope a remote-controlled air-to-surface missile against shipping. Development proceeded even though no suitable rocket motors were available. The experimental model used a standard SC 500 bomb with extra wings and tail unit but no rudder. Finally a propulsion system was developed, and the liquid rocket was fitted under the main missile body. An 18-channel radio system was used for control.

The missile was designed to be carried under a parent bomber. Warm exhaust air from the aircraft engines was channeled to the missile to prevent it from freezing up at high altitudes. Once dropped the Hs 293 would fall for some 90m (295ft) before the rocket achieved maximum thrust. The parent bomber would continue to fly a predesignated course parallel with the target. The bombadier could visually track the missile with the aid of red guidance flare in the tail, and control the projectile using a small control box with a joystick. The actual flight path resembled a series of arcs as corrections were received and followed.

The main weakness of the Hs 293A was that the parent bomber had to fly a steady, level path. Evasive moves to avoid anti-aircraft fire was impossible, even though the Hs 293 outranged most ship-borne anti-aircraft guns. An improved H2 293D with a television camera installed in the head of the missile as aiming system was planned but the war concluded before it could be realized. Also, the problem of icing was never resolved and thus further propulsion units were designed. The war ended before these plans left the experimental stage.

Henschel Hs 293

Air-to-Ship, Wireless Guided, Gliding Bomb

http://www.danshistory.com/ww2/hs293.html

The Hs 293 was based on a normal 500 kg (1,102 lb) bomb with wings and fins added and an engine suspended from the main body. The Hs 293V-4 and C-1 were guided by radio, like the Fritz-X, but after the Germans found that the Allies were capable of interferring with the control signals to the missile wire guidance was adopted.

The Hs 293 used the HWK 190-507B rocket engine for propulsion. From 7,500 meters to the target ship, the Hs 293 was launched and hit the ship.

The results of this test prompted the Luftwaffe to instruct the Henschel company to commence mass production of the Hs 293. Over a thousand of the Hs 293 were built.

Like the Fritz-X, the Hs 293 used the Kehl III and Strassburg, FuG 230b for its guidance system. It was controlled by an operator using a simple joystick.

Control panel of the guidance system.

Close-up of the simple joystick.

Guidance system in full operation.

In Allied Secret, Carlton Jackson recounts the single greatest loss of American lives at sea during World War II: the sinking of the British troopship HMT Rohna on November 26, 1943, by a German guided bomb. Over one thousand American soldiers died in the disaster, which was kept secret for security reasons during the war and then largely forgotten. In this book, Jackson brings the tragedy to light. In a preface to this edition, he notes that a Rohna association was formed after his book first appeared, and tells of the numerous letters he has received from survivors, victims' families, and others who knew little about the event until Allied Secret was published.

The greatest loss of U.S. troops at sea from the first successful "hit" by a German remote controlled rocket bomb. The Rohna Disaster describes that quest, plus many other incredible revelations.

06/03/2003
8:00 Deep Sea Detectives. The Rohna Disaster: WWII's Secret Tragedy.
When the HMT Rohna sank in 1943, it marked the greatest loss at sea of U.S. Army personnel in WWII: 1,015 soldiers, 3 Red Cross workers, and 120 ship's crew perished. Yet the U.S. government never revealed the truth about the disaster, in part to hide Germany's missile capability, and also to keep secret the deplorable conditions onboard and lack of lifeboats. After the recent release of documents under the Freedom of Information Act, we unveil a military debacle kept under wraps for decades. CC [TV G]


50 posted on 07/06/2003 5:10:25 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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