The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Gulf of Tonkin Incident (8/2/64) - Aug. 3rd, 2003

Military History Magazine ^ | 28 July, 1997 | Captain Ronnie E. Ford, U.S. Army

[Soaring Feather]

Hi Dark!!!

Sounds like a fun day!! The artists at a fair are fun to talk with. I have seen some wonderful work. One year there were huge wood sculptures, sculpted from huge tree trunks and roots. Items such as bed posts and frame work to lawn decorations. So cool. I especially enjoy the jousting tournament.

The food is wonderful too, turkey legs, apple fritter like thingys, all goodies from the period. The last time I attended was in the 90's and throughly enjoyed it.

[Darksheare]

Didn't see any sculptures, as we were getting rained on after a bit, but I did see another pencil sketch artist like myself there.
Didn't get to sample the food ,we were there to wander about and 'scout' what there is for the next trip down. (Shopping invasion. Battle cries of "Buy! Buy!! BUY!!!" At least, that's wat I'm going to be hearing next time around.)

I, of course, was eyeing the SCA combat style weapons. (Blunted swords designed for recreated fight scenes and such.)
Didn't get to wander the whole site due to rain and some mild time constraints. :/

[snippy_about_it]

So, how do you like our choice of logos for your coffee so far. LOL.

SAM and I had fun with graphics while you were away and SAM was waiting for the family to get ready so he could load up the car for his camping trip.

See, we think of folks when there not here. Like family. :)

[snippy_about_it]

Yeah. Good evening manna.

[Darksheare]

Hmm, so I see.
*chuckle*
Navy doesn't make the strongest coffee anymore, eh?
;-)

[snippy_about_it]

Navy doesn't make the strongest coffee anymore, eh?

I guess not since you came along. *grin*

[Darksheare]

That's not fair, my coffee should have at least SOME competition...


....right?

[U S Army EOD]

What if we had supported Ho Chi Minh instead of the French? The OSS put him in power and saved his life. At one time he was very pro-American.

I had a friend who was a figher pilot in the South East Asia area during WWII. He once told me if you were shot down where Ho Chi Minh's forces were, they would get you back to allied lines. However, if the French got you, they would turn you in to the Japs.

I guess the lesson in history, that still rings true, is if the French are involved, it is going to get screwed up.

[Darksheare]

MY coffee, a legend???
How?

[snippy_about_it]

We don't even capitalize the french around here. :)

[snippy_about_it]

MY coffee, a legend??? How?

Well, we made it one right here at the Foxhole. Who hasn't heard of it in our little corner of FR?

Now that SAM is off camping and getting his rest I think I'll turn in early and get some rest too! A little more tweaking of tomorrow's thread and then zzzzzz's for me.

Goodnight Darksheare.

[PhilDragoo]

A Zen parable warns against mistaking the finger pointing at the moon for the moon.

In my view discussions of the "Gulf of Tonkin incident" make this error in wretched excess.

Ellsberg should have been hung.

Goldwater should have been elected.

JFKs National Security Action Memorandum No. 263 October 11, 1963 was a camouflaged order to "withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963."

JFK intended to remove 1,000 per month thereafter until all were out.

LBJs National Security Action Memorandum No. 273 November 26, 1963--the first business day after JFKs funeral--rescinded that of October 11, by stating "objectives of the United States with respect ot the withdrawal of U.S. military personnel remain as stated in the White House statment of October 2, 1963."

The New York Times and the liberal broadcast networks worked with the Democrats to paint Barry Goldwater as a "dangerous extremist"--and helped LBJ to victory in the 1964 election.

November 1965 the Joint Chiefs assembled in the White House to persuade LBJ to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong. He listened for 15 minutes, then cursed them in humiliating fashion. I will fax to anyone interested "The Day It Became The Longest War" by Lt. Gen. Charles G. Cooper, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.) [aide to the Joint Chiefs at that historic meeting] originally published in May 1996 Proceedings of the U.S. Naval Institute.

Barry Goldwater knew in advance what Colin Powell enunciated only after the loss of 58,000 American warriors: there is no substitute for victory.

The Communists killed an additional 1.5 million after overrunning the South. Their Cambodian counterparts killed 2 million.

Per The Black Book of Communism, Communists have killed 100,000,000. The prime tenet of today's Peoples Liberation Army of China is "war with the main enemy is inevitable, the sooner the better."

China has amassed 450 IRBMs opposite Taiwan and continues to acquire Russian fighters, destroyers, subs, torpedoes, missiles, AWACS, GPS weaponry.

The Clinton Administration gave China the U.S. missile guidance superiority in the 200-page fax from Loral-Hughes (Clinton's major donors Bernard L. Schwartz and C. Michael Armstrong) which the May 1997 Defense Department report said "damaged national security".

The further transfer of technology included the 1995 publication by U.S. News & World Report of the two-page color graphic of the W-87 warhead courtesy Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary.

A further cheerful note appears in the account by Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson, USAF (Ret.) [Carrier of the 'nuclear football'] Dereliction of Duty: The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Compromised America's National Security, Regnery, 2003.

When the author and his military colleague entered the Oval Office for the annual nuclear briefing and nuclear code update, when time to physically exchange the previous year's codes for the new codes, the commander-in-chief of U.S. forces Bill Clinton informed the two officers he had lost the codes.

The codes were never found, never recovered.

In May 2000 the National Parks Service conducted a "controlled burn" at Bandelier National Monument which burned not 300 but 50,000 acres--causing the one-week evacuation of Los Alamos National Laboratories.

[During the term of Bill Richardson as Secretary of Energy.]

Upon re-entering the Labs, it was discovered that two hard drives containing emergency data on nuclear warheads were missing--and were later recovered in an area searched twice previously.

Yet we are somehow at risk from sixteen words in the SOTUS for 2003 [which are still vouched to be true by the Brits].

I went door to door for Goldwater, believing in the victory over Communism which Reagan led America to achieve--at least vis a vis the Soviets.

As Hillary the intern for Communist Robert Treuhaft rises in the polls, we see the same treasonous New York Times attempting to smear the energetic defender of America.

Eschew treason; pursue American victory.

[SpookBrat]

Just popping in to say hello. I can't keep up with my pings lately. School starts next week and I'm busy with my studies. Love you all.

[snippy_about_it]

Thank you Phil.

[snippy_about_it]

Thanks SpookBrat. Good luck with the studies, we'll be around. :)

[Victoria Delsoul]

Hi Phil. Thanks for your post.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Hi Spooky. LOL, we need to talk, lots of good news, hehehe. Let's talk soon.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!