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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Raid on Dieppe (8/19/1942) - Aug. 19th, 2003
http://www.mairie-dieppe.fr/canada-gb/canadaGBF.html ^ | Alain Buriot & Arnaud Coignet

Posted on 08/19/2003 12:01:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


God Bless America
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The Raid on Dieppe
19 August 1942


From the moment of the German attack against the Soviet Union on June 22nd 1941, and from that of the United States' entry into war the day after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour on 7th December 1941, the war became worldwide. In France, as in the whole of Europe, in order to face the war effort, Hitler's Germany imposed compulsory work service. While the "Todt Organisation" was building the Atlantic Wall, and was establishing Europe as a fortress, the "Third Reich" government intensified the implementation of Hitler's totalitarian and racial programme. Following the "Nacht und Nebel" decree in December 1941, which foresaw the putting into solitary confinement and the deporting of the enemies of the New Order, the Wannsee conference finalized the ultimate solution to the Jewish problem. On 16th July, the "Vel d'Hiv" raid on Paris illustrated the repressive and antisemitic collaboration policy of the Vichy Government.

Operation Jubilee : Aims and Means


In April 1942, after the allied raid on St Nazaire,the British and American allies again took up the project of awide-ranging raid on a French harbour on the Channel coast. This raid was intended to test defences and to prove to the Soviets, who were asking for the establishment of a second front, that it was not easy to grab a foothold on the French coast. The Allied High Command chose Dieppe for two main reasons; the size of the township, and the distance, which were both compatible with the available means of transport, making uninterrupted air-cover easy.


The concrete barriers, wire fencing, and other obstacles on the beach show how well the Germans fortified the Dieppe beach. Several hundreds of miles of beaches were fortified in the same fashion as the Germans saw their greatest threat of Allied invasion to be from the sea. (L/O 54162 and DVA 734 and #1 and 8160: Dieppe #2)


The operation was to last twelve hours, a frontal attack taking place on the beach at Dieppe, after landings on both sides at Pourville and Puys, thus neutralizing the defences overlooking the main beach. The long-range batteries at Varengeville and Berneval also had to be destroyed before the landing in Dieppe. The aim of the raid was to destroy the German coastal defences, the port structures and all the strategic buildings (petrol storage depots, radio and radar stations, headquarters, airfield).


Canadian tanks got bogged down on the pebbled beaches at Dieppe and very few ever made their objective of getting up the cliffs and into the town. (DVA 736)


Over 6.000 men were to land, among them 4.965 Canadians from the 2nd Division (including the crews of 50 Churchill tanks) and 1.200 British men belonging to the Commandos and the Royal Marines. 250 boats effected the transport (duck-boats, destroyers, gunboats, patrol boats, landing-craft...). Around 1.000 aircraft (fighters, bombers) were used to support and defend the landing force.


The aftermath of the Dieppe Raid. (R.20A and DVA 735)


In August 1942, the area of Dieppe was under the responsability of the 302nd Division of the Wehrmacht. About 2.500 men, highly trained and equiped (571st Regiment of Grenadiers, artillery units, Flak units and Kriegsmarine units), were present at each of the different landing-points. Important fresh troops could be sent for at short notice. The defensive fortifications were already dangerous, and the fire-power significant (automatic weapons, mortars, medium and heavy guns, long-range coast batteries). The German airforce, although less extensive, was still very dangerous and had the advantage of being close to its home-base.

Attack and Defeat


During the evening of 18th August, the naval forces of Operation Jubilee got under way from several ports on the south coast of England. The different groups accomplished a trouble-free sea-crossing until, suddenly, several miles off the coast, the left wing flotilla, which was carrying the 3rd British Commando unit, unexpectedly ran into a small German convoy sailing from Boulogne to Dieppe. It was 3.45am. The ensuing battle completely upset the planned attack on Berneval, and alerted part of the enemy defence. Yet, a small group of commandos still managed to neutralize the battery for an hour and a half.


1874 Canadians were taken prisoner by the Germans at Dieppe. (R.16 and DVA 735)


At 4.50am, at the other end of the operation zone, the 4th Commando got a foothold on two areas along the coast, in order to catch the battery at Varengeville in a pincer movement. It was a complete success. The battery was destroyed and the commandos re-embarked at 8.15am with scarcely any human loss.

At Puys, the Royal Regiment of Canada landed at 5.06am, later than planned, and in broad daylight. The German defence was on the watch, overlooking the attackers who tried in vain to get over the high concrete wall enclosing the small beach, under heavy fire with no shelter. In less than an hour, of the 600 men who had landed, the Canadians had lost 225, those left were either wounded or made prisoner; only about sixty made it back to England.


German soldiers round up Allied prisoners following the Dieppe Raid.. 1, 874 Canadians were captured during and after the assault. (R.24 and DVA 735)


The South Saskatchewan and Cameron Highlanders landed at Pourville at 4.50am, easily invading the village. The German defence became progressively firmer and although soldiers managed to advance as far as Petit Appeville in the valley and as far as two-thirds of the way up the slopes leading to Dieppe, they could not carry any further and had to fall back late in the morning, re-embarking with heavy losses (151 dead, 266 made prisoner and 269 wounded).



At 5.20am, after a too-short preliminary bombing, the first two assault waves of the Royal Hamilton and the Essex Scottish got a foothold on the beach at Dieppe. The tanks of the 14th Canadian Army Tank Regiment, which should have protected them, landed fifteen minutes later with great difficulty and could not efficiently support the foot-soldiers advancing on the exposed esplanade, where a hell-fire showered them from the cliffs and the houses on the seafront. Even those who managed to reach the esplanade could not then get over the concrete walls barring every entrance to the town centre. The casino was occupied by some men from the Royal Hamilton. Several small groups even managed to get past the first rows of houses and to enter the church St Rémy.



On the east side of the beach, the men of the Essex Scottish, even more exposed, were very quickly stopped by intensive German gunfire (the troops having been defeated at Pourville and especially at Puys, the Germans had held on to their whole fire power). The Allied Command, based on the HMS Calpe, seeing nothing happening on land because of extremely thick smoke, and being badly informed because of failing transmissions, sent in fresh back-up troops, men from the Mount Royal Fusiliers and the Royal Marines Commandos. They landed on the beach amidst great confusion with no hope whatsoever of improving an already jeopardized situation. The murderous battle went on until the end of the morning, the order to draw back being given around 11am, to the survivors who tried to re-embark on the boats which had returned to pick them up. Of the 2.000 men who had landed, 400 were dead, and only 400 succeeded in regaining England. At about 1 pm, the battle was nearly over.

Evaluation and Controversy


Operation Jubilee ended with dramatic results: the allies counted 1.380 dead (913 Canadians), 1.600 wounded and over 2.000 made prisoner. The air battle was just as disastrous. The Royal Air Force lost 107 aircraft; the Germans about forty. In the area of Dieppe, among the civilians, the count was 48 dead and 100 wounded. The Germans had 345 dead or missing and 268 wounded. Thus, in less than ten hours' battle, almost 1.800 people lost their lives, which shows clearly the murderous intensity of the Battle of Dieppe.



The result and ensuing debates could not live down the sacrifice of those who fought and the enemy was the first to admit that the disaster was not of their doing; "the huge number of prisoners may seem to question the value of the Canadian and British units involved in the raid. Far from it. The enemy soldiers, mostly Canadian, proved their skill and courage everywhere it was possible to fight. It was not their lack of courage, but the fact that we concentrated our defensive artillery fire and our heavy infantry weapons so much that stopped the enemy gaining ground" (extracts of reports written by the majors of the 81st Corps and the 302nd German Division).


Dieppe Cemetery, France. (#7 and 197 .07 6 160 and 95 and 78-cen)


The sea-battle off Berneval breaking the surprise effect of the raid could not in itself explain the failure of Operation Jubilee. In fact, the reasons for this failure lie mainly in the underestimation of the enemy forces, the lack of effective air and sea support before landing, the use of inadequate equipment and the lack of information being other aggravating factors.

Military defeats are always controversial subjects, especially when loss of human life is involved. Operation Jubilee did not escape this rule and although the lessons learnt brought valuable indications for the preparation of Operation Overlord, the South Normandy landing on 6th June 1944, many wondered at the relevancy and usefulness of Operation Jubilee as far as future operations were concerned.


A plaque on the wall of Canada Square, Dieppe, France. Commemorating the Canadian soldiers who died on the beach of Dieppe on August 19, 1942. Photo by J.Ough, NFB, April 1972 (LO 49297 and #8 and 5)


Two years after the raid on Dieppe, the Canadians landed in Juno, at dawn on 6th June 1944, participated in the Battle of Normandy and on 1st September 1944, the 2nd Canadian Division liberated Dieppe.



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To: Johnny Gage
I'm useing my laptop. tried to use it at work but we have a firewall so I can't get online from work. A goodthing I suppose as I'd not get anything done not that I do much as it is(keeping expectation VERY low). Still I'm waiting for wireless to really take off.
41 posted on 08/19/2003 8:23:36 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
1946 Bill Clinton 42nd US President. (Former Little Rock Attorney)

A black Day in our History. Too bad the woman who gave him birth didn't believe in abortion.

42 posted on 08/19/2003 8:24:07 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: Valin
Is this Mr. Stick?.


43 posted on 08/19/2003 8:28:02 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: w_over_w
Good Morning w_over_w.

Dieppe was pretty much a "political" operation. Once again the soldiers paid the price.
44 posted on 08/19/2003 8:30:03 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: SAMWolf
Montgomery's advice that the raid be cancelled for all time was ignored.

So he first approved the plan, then wanted it cancelled and someone else gave the go ahead.

Well it did look like him to me, but I'm still learning.

Thanks for the insight about Monty wanting everything to be 'perfect', even though it was only 'perfect' for him, what... one time, in Africa?

45 posted on 08/19/2003 8:30:27 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf
Snippy is starting to recognize....

I'll bet you were really laughing out loud. LOL.

I wanted to know and couldn't wait on your west coast time zone for you to wake up so I looked it up, but shame on me, I didn't read enough or do enough research. Thanks for the information you provided.

I am progressing though. ;)

46 posted on 08/19/2003 8:34:44 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Johnny Gage
Thanks Johnny.

I always liked the Hurricane better than the Spitfire. Just something about her looks I find interesting.


47 posted on 08/19/2003 8:35:07 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: snippy_about_it
You're welcome Snippy. You deserve them for all the work you do at the Foxhole.
48 posted on 08/19/2003 8:36:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Montgomery was the type of General who tried to ensure thateverything was in his favor before attacking. Anytime he took risks it eneded up a disaster. (Arnhem comes to mind)
49 posted on 08/19/2003 8:38:39 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: snippy_about_it
You found out that he did have a hand in the planning, my source only said he was given command after a plan was approved. Although as the Commander he would have approved or changed plans.
50 posted on 08/19/2003 8:40:34 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks. The amount of history I've learned just from reading your threads is amazing. Eventually they all start to tie to one another and a bigger picture emerges.

I dont' just help out here, I learn here. :)
51 posted on 08/19/2003 9:14:31 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
That's one of the reasons the Foxhole is here.
52 posted on 08/19/2003 9:21:25 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
I'm in.
Something struck me about this thread.
Canada will help out militarily now adays, but they gripe about it.
Back then, they did all they could.

Something there is tickling a thought, and I'm not grasping it at the moment and can't quite elucidate on it.
It isn't quite forming a complete thought that can be expressed just yet.
Too many things on my mind at the moment I guess.
53 posted on 08/19/2003 9:31:59 AM PDT by Darksheare ("I sense something dark." No you don't!)
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To: Darksheare
Well then, come on back when your head is clear. *grin*

If it doesn't clear up, c'mon back anyway.
54 posted on 08/19/2003 9:46:48 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Autograph, I need autograph. lol.

The line forms to the right!! ROTFLOL!!
55 posted on 08/19/2003 9:47:33 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: bentfeather
LOL. So! Your going to make me stand in line. ROTFLOL.
56 posted on 08/19/2003 9:49:06 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966655/posts?page=10#10

I dunno.
I think my head is clear, I just can't put that particular thought in an order that makes sense.
The above link takes you to where I am likely to get flamed.
57 posted on 08/19/2003 10:01:42 AM PDT by Darksheare ("I sense something dark." No you don't!)
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To: Darksheare
Canada will help out militarily now adays, but they gripe about it.

Back then, they did all they could

I figure it has to do with a change to a anti-military/Socialist government.

58 posted on 08/19/2003 10:05:11 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: bentfeather
You're gonna make you friends stand in line?

But... But... we knew you when...!!!
59 posted on 08/19/2003 10:06:22 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Congress - the best politicians money can buy.)
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To: snippy_about_it; radu
So! Your going to make me stand in line.

Well, do you know how stressing it is to be a Diva and Star?
ROTFLOL!!!

60 posted on 08/19/2003 10:10:16 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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