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The FReeper Foxhole - Military Related News in Review - Aug. 25th, 2003

Posted on 08/25/2003 3:15:37 AM PDT by snippy_about_it

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CENTCOM Officials Announce Capture of Iraq's 'Chemical Ali'


By K.L. Vantran / American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Aug. 21, 2003 — Iraq's Gen. Ali Hassan al- Majid, the infamous "Chemical Ali," has been captured and is in the custody of coalition forces, according to a U.S. Central Command news release. Al-Majid, No. 5 on CENTCOM's "Iraqi Top 55" list, was captured in Iraq and has been in custody for a "couple of days," a defense official in the Pentagon said.

The former official in Saddam Hussein's regime is believed to have led the 1988 campaign against rebels in northern Iraq that resulted in the deaths of thousands of Kurds from poisonous gas attacks. He is a cousin of Saddam Hussein.

To date, coalition forces have captured or killed 39 of the top 55. Al-Majid is the fourth of the top five to be caught or killed. No. 1 is Hussein, who is still at large. The others from the top five are Hussein's sons Qusay and Uday, and Abid Hamid Mahmud, the former dictator's personal secretary. More






1 posted on 08/25/2003 3:15:38 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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DoD Reports Progress in Pneumonia Investigation


The Department of Defense announced today progress on the investigation of a number of cases of pneumonia among military members deployed for military operations in Southwest Asia.

"From what we have learned so far, it appears there are a series of unusual pneumonia cases that have occurred in Southwest Asia. These cases do not represent an epidemic, and it is not being spread through person-to-person contact. We are making significant progress in eliminating a number of possible causes, such as SARS and vaccines. Our investigatory process is helping to determine if there is a single explanation, or if there are multiple cases," said Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs. "Understanding the cause is important to prevent future cases."

To date, the investigation has found evidence that two of the non-fatal cases were associated with Streptococcus pneumoniae, the most common cause of bacterial pneumonia. Col. Bruno Petruccelli, director, epidemiology and disease surveillance at the U.S. Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine, said, "There is evidence that 10 of the cases have shown a higher than usual number of blood cells of one specific type called eosinophils. An increase in this type of white blood cell can occur in a variety of medical conditions, for example, infections, asthma, hay fever and allergies. Medical personnel are trying to determine why some of the 19 patients with severe pneumonia showed an increase in these cells."

Petruccelli also said, "It is our duty to patients and family members to ensure that we have done everything we can to understand what has happened. We must take whatever time is needed to do a thorough job of gathering and analyzing information about these pneumonia cases. Our work is progressing well."

No other common infectious agents, evidence of exposure to chemical or biological weapons, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), or environmental toxins have been identified. Among the several hundred thousand deployed servicemembers in Southwest Asia over the past six months, approximately 100 have developed pneumonia. The rate is consistent with what might be expected for a healthy population of similar ages to our service members. The concern, however, is about the smaller number of servicemembers, now identified as 19 cases, who developed severe pneumonia. Two servicemembers have died from the disease, the first in Iraq on June 17 and the second in Germany on July 12. The Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner is determining specific cause or causes of death.

From March - August 2003, 17 soldiers, one Marine, and one sailor have developed pneumonia serious enough to warrant medical evacuation for ventilator (respirator) support. Fourteen of these members responded to standard treatment for pneumonia, recovered from their illness, and returned to duty. Three remain hospitalized.

Two of the 19 serious cases became ill in March, two in April, one in May, six in June, four in July, and four so far in August. Of the serious cases no two individuals (18 men and one woman) were from the same unit. Thirteen of the cases became ill in Iraq and six were in other Central Command countries, including Kuwait, Qatar, Uzbekistan, and Djibouti.

Among the investigative efforts underway are two Army Epidemiological Consultation (EPICON) teams. One team is in Iraq looking for commonalities among the cases-for example, time, place or symptoms-and whether anything in the nature of the cases is unusual when compared with similar DoD members, whether deployed or not, and U.S. civilian populations. A second team has been at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, Germany, where most of the pneumonia cases have been treated following medical evacuation from Southwest Asia.

A scientist from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has joined the consultative team at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, where all information from the Germany and Iraq EPICON teams is being gathered, analyzed and evaluated. The Department also has engaged the expertise of several members of the Armed Forces Epidemiology Board (AFEB), which is an advisory committee of eminent civilian scientists and physicians. These Board members are providing the Department with consultative expertise during the investigation. The CDC's associate director for epidemiologic science, and a member of the AFEB, is also involved in this investigative review. The EPICON teams and other investigators will make preventive or corrective recommendations based upon their findings.

Pneumonia is a common illness worldwide in all populations. In the Army, for example, pneumonia is serious enough to warrant hospitalization for about 9 of every 10,000 soldiers each year, resulting in 450-500 total cases Army-wide. According to U.S. medical statistics for the year 2000, this rate is very similar to the rate for the general population of those between the ages of 15 and 45 (10.5 of 10,000 per year). Therefore, the approximately 100 total cases of pneumonia do not exceed a normal, expected rate for this disease, despite the harsh environmental conditions found in Southwest Asia. While death from pneumonia is rarely seen in young, otherwise healthy populations -- such as the military, it does occur. For example, from 1998 through 2002, 17 Army members (worldwide) have died from pneumonia or from complications of pneumonia.

Winkenwerder said, "Our work is progressing well in the continuing investigation of these pneumonia cases. So far, we are able to rule out several sources of this illness -- such as SARS. However, we are deeply saddened at the loss of our service members, and we share in the desire of their families, friends and commanders to identify the cause of this illness. We are committed to providing world-class care for our people and we will pursue this pneumonia investigation until answers are found.
2 posted on 08/25/2003 3:17:00 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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3 posted on 08/25/2003 3:18:33 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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4 posted on 08/25/2003 3:19:44 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.
5 posted on 08/25/2003 3:32:43 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Morning EGC.



6 posted on 08/25/2003 3:40:57 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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Good morning! The good guys have made quite a dent in that deck of cards.

7 posted on 08/25/2003 3:44:12 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
Good morning Samwise. Good to see you.

Yep, we are almost done with that deck of cards and will probably need another.

Thanks for the coffee. ;)
8 posted on 08/25/2003 4:03:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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Today's classic warship, CSS Shenandoah

Shenandoah class screw cruiser
Displacement. 1,160l t.
Lenght. 230'
Beam. 32'
Draft. 20' 6"
Speed. 9 k. under steam
Complement. 109
Armament. 4 8" sb., 2 32-pdr. r., 2 12-pdr.

CSS Shenandoah, a 1160-ton screw steam cruiser, was launched at Glasgow, Scotland, in August 1863 as the civilian steamer Sea King. After the Confederate Navy secretly purchased her, she put to sea in October 1864, under the cover story that she was headed for India on a commercial voyage. Sea King rendezvoused at sea off Madeira with another ship, which brought Confederate Navy officers, some crew members, heavy guns and other equipment needed to refit her as a warship. This work was completed at sea under the supervision of C.S. Navy First Lieutenant (later Commander) James Iredell Waddell, who became the cruiser's first Commanding Officer when she was commissioned as CSS Shenandoah on 19 October.

Waddell took his ship through the south Atlantic and into the Indian Ocean, capturing nine U.S. flag merchant vessels between late October and the end of 1864. All but two of these were sunk or burned. In late January 1865, Shenandoah arrived at Melbourne, Australia, where she was able to receive necessary repairs and provisions, as well as adding more than forty "stowaways" to her very short-handed crew. Following three weeks in port, the cruiser put to sea, initially planning to attack the American south Pacific whaling fleet.

However, discovering that his intended targets had been warned and dispersed, Waddell set off for the north Pacific. He stopped in the Eastern Carolines at the beginning of April, seizing four Union merchantmen there and using their supplies to stock up for further operations. While Shenandoah cruised northwards in April and May, the Confederacy collapsed, but this news would spread very slowly through the distant Pacific. Following a month in the Sea of Okhotsk that yielded one prize and considerable experience in ice navigation, she moved on to the Bering Sea. There, between 22 and 28 June 1865 the now-stateless warship captured two-dozen vessels, destroying all but a few. Soon afterwards, Waddell started a slow voyage towards San Francisco, California, which he believed would be weakly defended against his cruiser's guns.

Though Shenandoah's late June assault on the whaling fleet was accompanied by many rumors of the Civil War's end, she did not receive a firm report until 2 August 1865, when she encountered an English sailing ship that had left San Francisco less than two weeks before. Waddell then disarmed his ship and set sail for England. Shenandoah rounded Cape Horn in mid-September and arrived at Liverpool in early November, becoming the only Confederate Navy ship to circumnavigate the globe. There she hauled down the Confederate Ensign and was turned over to the Royal Navy. In 1866 the ship was sold to the Sultan of Zanzibar and renamed El Majidi. She was variously reported lost at sea in September 1872 or in 1879.

Colored lithograph of an artwork by B. Russell, depicting CSS Shenandoah's assault on the U.S. whale ships in the Bering Sea area. Individual items shown are (from left to right): brig Susan Abigail (burning); ship Euphrates (burning--distant); CSS Shenandoah; ship Jerah Swift (burning--distant); ship William Thompson (burning--distant); ship Sophia Thornton (burning); whaleboat going to warn other whalers (very distant); ship Milo which carried the destroyed vessels' crews to San Francisco; ice in the distance.

9 posted on 08/25/2003 4:27:06 AM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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Good mornin'! Prayers for the soldiers and their families.
10 posted on 08/25/2003 5:18:40 AM PDT by thatdewd
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CSS Shenandoah...

Southern THUNDER bump!

11 posted on 08/25/2003 5:21:30 AM PDT by thatdewd
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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on August 25:
1530 Ivan IV (the Terrible) 1st tsar of Russia (1533-84)
1724 George Stubbs England, animal painter (House Frightened by Lion)
1786 Ludwig I, King of Bavaria
1819 Allan Pinkerton founded Chicago detective agency
1836 Bret Harte US, author (Outcasts of Poker Flat)
1841 Theodor Kocher Swiss surgeon, thyroid specialist (Nobel 1909)
1845 Ludwig II mad king of Bavaria (1864-86)
1902 Stefan Wolpe Berlin Germany, composer (Zeus & Elidco)
1905 Clara Bow silent movie actress (Wings, Down to the Sea in Ships)
1906 William J Brennan Newark NJ, US supreme court justice (1957-90)
1909 Michael Rennie actor (The Robe, Klatuu-Day the Earth Stood Still)
1909 Ruby Keeler Halifax NS, dancer (Dames)
1910 Pierre Musy Switzerland, 4-man bobsled (Olympic-gold-1936)
1912 Erich Honecker Germany, East German political leader
1913 Walt Kelly cartoonist, creator of "Pogo"
1914 Alexei Haieff Blagovestchensk Siberia, composer (Princess Zondilda)
1915 Walter Trampler Munich Germany, violist (Beaux Arts Trio)
1916 Van Johnson Newport RI, actor (Brigadoon) always wore red socks
1917 Don Defore Cedar Rapids Iowa, actor (George-Hazel, Ozzie & Harriet)
1917 Mel Ferrer Elberon NJ, actor (Longest Day, Eaten Alive, 5th Floor)
1918 Leonard Bernstein conductor/composer/pianist/egotist
1918 Richard Greene Plymouth England, actor (Adv of Robin Hood)
1919 George C Wallace (D-gov-Ala) pres candidate
1921 Brian Moore Ireland, novelist (Catholics, Doctor's Wife)
1923 Monty Hall Winnipeg Canada, TV game show host (Let's Make a Deal)
1927 Althea Gibson 1st black tennis champion in a major event
1930 Graham Javis Toronto Ontario, actor (Charlie-Mary Hartman)
1930 Page Johnson WV, actress (Passages from Finnegan's Wake)
1930 Sean Connery actor (James Bond, Man Who Would Be King)
1931 Regis Philbin host (Joey Bishop Show, Live with Regis & Kathie Lee)
1933 Tom Skerritt Detroit Mich, actor (Ryan's Four, Alien, Big Bad Mama)
1934 Valery F Bykovsky USSR, cosmonaut (Vostok V Soyuz 22 31/39)
1935 David Canary Elwood Ind, actor (Peyton Place, Candy-Bonanza)
1940 Jos‚ Van Dam Brussels Belgium, bass-baritone (Fran‡ois d'Assisif)
1942 Margaret Murdock US, small bore rifle (Olympic-silver-1976)
1946 Rollie Fingers relief pitcher (Oakland Athletics)
1947 Anne Archer LA Cal, actress (Too Scared to Scream, Fatal Attraction)
1949 Gene Simmons Queens, NY, rocker (KISS-Beth)
1949 John Savage Long Island NY, actor (Deer Hunter, Maria's Lovers)
1951 Rob Halford heavy metal rocker (Judas Priest-Got Another Thing)
1954 Elvis Costello [Declan Patrick McManus], rocker (Allison)
1954 John Savage Old Bethpage NY, actor (Jim Malloy-Gibbsville)
1954 Martin Jourard keyboardist/vocalist (Motels-Only the Lonely)
1956 Matt Aitken rocker (Stock Aitken & Waterman-Road Block)
1962 Mazzi Rawd heavy metal rocker
1962 Vivian Campbell heavy metal rocker (White Snake-Here I Go Again)
1964 Blair Underwood Tacoma Wash, actor (Jonathan-LA Law)
1970 Claudia Schiffer Rheinbach Germany, super model (Elle, Rolling Stone)



Deaths which occurred on August 25:
79 Gaius Plinius Secundus [Plinius Maior], Roman admiral/writer
383 Flavius Gratianus, Emperor of Rome
882 Louis III, King of France (879-82)
1227 Ghengis Khan, [Temudjin], founded Mongolia
1789 Mary Ball Washington mother of George, dies
1822 William Herschel discovered Uranus, dies at 85
1835 Ann Rutledge said to be Lincoln's true love, dies in Ill at 22
1900 Friedrich Nietzsche philosopher, dies in Weimar, Germany
1901 Clara Maass army nurse sacrificied her life at 25 to prove that the mosquito carries yellow fever
1967 George Lincoln Rockwell head of American Nazi Party, assassinated(I hate Illinois nazis)
1968 John George actor (Kolb-Adventures of Fu Manchu), dies at 70
1979 Stan Kenton orch leader (Music 55), dies at 67
1980 Gower Champion dancer (Marge & Gower Champion Show), dies at 60
1984 Truman Capote author (In Cold Blood), dies
1985 Samantha Smith actress (Elizabeth-Lime Street), dies at 13
1986 Allen Case actor (Deputy, Legend of Jesse James), dies at 51
1988 Price Daniel (Gov/Sen-D-Texas), dies at 77



Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1966 BULLARD WILLIAM H. ELSINORE CA.
1967 BOIS CLAIRE RONALD A TUCSON AZ.
[RADIO CONTACT LOST SAR NEG]
1967 JACOBS EDWARD JAMES JR. MT VERNON WA. 1967 ZAVOCKY JAMES JOHN PARMA OH.
[RADIO CONTACT LOST SAR NEG]
1968 GREGORY KENNETH R. ALTUS OK.
[05/26/69 RELEASED]
1968 JOHNSON BOBBY L. DETROIT MI.
[02/12/73 RELEASED BY PRG]
1968 JONES THOMAS N. LYNNVILLE IN.
[01/01/69 RELEASED]
1972 DOYLE MICHAEL W. PHILADELPHIA PA.
[REMAINS RETURNED 08/14/85]
1972 ENSCH JOHN C. SPRINGFIELD IL.
[03/29/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
357 Julian Caesar defeats the Alamanni at Strousbourg in Gaul.
0325 Council of Nicaea ends with adoption of the Nicene Creed establishing the doctrine of the Holy Trinity
1212 Children's cruisaders under Nikolaas (10) reaches Genoa
1346 Edward III of England defeats Philip VI's army at the Battle of Crecy in France.
1580 Battle of Alcantara, Spain defeats Portugal
1609 Galileo demonstrates his 1st telescope to Venetian lawmakers
1689 Montr‚al taken by Iroquois
1718 Hundreds of French colonists arrive in Louisiana; New Orleans, founded
1765 In protest over the stamp tax, American colonists sack and burn the home of Massachusetts governor Thomas Hutchinson.
1804 Alice Meynell becomes 1st woman jockey (England)
1814 British capture Washington DC
1825 Uruguay declares independence from Brazil (National Day)
1830 Belgium revolts against Netherlands
1835 NY Sun publishes Moon hoax story about John Herschel
1862 Secretary of War authorizes Gen Rufus Saxton to arm 5,000 slaves
1864 Combination rail & ferry service available from SF to Alameda
1864 Petersburg Campaign-Battle of Ream's Station
1875 Matthew Webb becomes 1st to swim English Channel (21h 45m)
1886 1st intl polo meet (US vs England)
1888 Henry Slocum wins US Lawn Tennis Assn singles title
1904 Jim Jefferies KOsJack Munroe & retains boxing heavyweight title
1908 Allen Winter wins US 1st $50,000 trotting race
1912 1st time an aircraft recovers from a spin
1915 Hurricane kills 275 in Galveston, Texas with $50 million damage
1916 National Park Service established in the Dept of the Interior
1919 1st scheduled passenger service by airplane (Paris-London)
1920 1st US woman to win in Olympics (Ethelda Bleibtrey)
1921 US signs peace treaty with Germany
1921 Yankee pitcher Harry Harper hits 3 batters in an inning tying record
1922 Cubs beat Phillies 26-23 in highest scoring major-league game
1924 Wash Senator Walter Johnson 2nd no-hitter beats Browns, 2-0 in 7 inn
1925 Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters organizes (Harlem NY)
1925 Helen Willis wins her 3rd straight US Lawn Tennis Open
1929 Graf Zeppelin passes over SF for LA after trans-Pacific voyage
1932 Amelia Earhart completes transcontinental flight
1936 3 Braves hit twice in an inning getting 2 hits each
1940 1st parachute wedding
1943 US forces overran New Georgia in Solomon Islands during WW II
1944 Paris liberated from Nazi occupation
1945 Jewish immigrants are permitted to leave Mauritius for Palestine
1946 Ben Hogan wins the PGA championship
1947 Marion Carl in D-558-I sets world aircraft speech record, 1,047 kph
1950 Pres Truman orders army to seize control of RR to avert a strike
1950 Sugar Ray Robinson KOs Jose Basora to win middleweight boxing title
1952 Det Tiger Virgil Trucks 2nd no-hitter of yr, beats Yankees, 1-0
1960 17th summer olympics opens in Rome
1960 AFL begins placing players names on back of their jerseys
1963 Paul McCartney is fined œ31 & 1 yr suspended license for speeding
1967 Minn Twin Dean Chance 2nd no-hitter of month beats Cleveland, 2-1
1967 Paraguay accepts its constitution
1968 NY Yankee outfield Rocky Colavito pitches 2 2/3 innings & beats the Tigers 6-5; he played right field in the 2nd game & homered
1969 Det Lions beat Boston Patriots 22-9 in Montr‚al (NFL expo)
1971 S Wiederholt discharged of Air Force
1974 LA Aztecs defeat Miami Toros to win NASL cup
1976 Yanks beat Twins 5-4 in 19 innings
1979 California Angels trounce Toronto Blue Jays, 24-2
1981 Jeff Schwartz, sets solo record for trampoline bouncing (266:09)
1981 Mark Chapman, John Lennon's murderer, is sentenced to 20 years
1981 Voyager 2's closest approach to Saturn (63,000 miles/100,000 km)
1983 Triple A baseball's Louisville breaks 1 million fan mark
1983 US & USSR sign $10 billion grain pact
1985 Met Dwight Goodin becomes youngest pitcher to win 20 games (20y 9m 9d)
1985 STS 51-I scrubbed at T -9m because of an onboard computer problem
1987 Dow Jones industrial stock avg reaches record 2722.42
1988 Challenger Center opens its classroom doors in Houston
1988 NASA launches space vehicle S-214
1989 Voyager 2 makes its closest approach to Neptune (0400 GMT)
1990 Li Hui Rong of China sets the triple jump women's record (47'8«")
1990 UN security council authorizes military action against Iraq
1991 Carl Lewis runs 100m in 9.86 seconds



Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

England, Channel Is, Northern Ireland, Wales : Bank Holiday
( Monday )
France : Liberation Day (1944)
Paraguay : Constitution Day (1967)
Uruguay : Independence Day (1825)
Hong Kong : Liberation Day (1945) ( Monday )
USA : Kiss And Make Up Day
Ancient Rome : Opiconsivia
Gas Mask Day



Religious Observances
RC : Comm of St Genesius, Roman actor, patron of actors
RC, Ang : Memorial of St Louis IX, king of France, confessor (opt)
RC : Memorial of Joseph of Calasanz, priest (opt)



Religious History
0325 The General Council of Nicea ended. This first ecumenical conclave in the history of the Church was attended by 300 bishops, who together established the Nicene Creed and set down the lunar formula for celebrating Easter.
1560 Protestantism was formally adopted at the First General Assembly of the Church of Scotland. Scottish Parliament had earlier voted to accept a Calvinist confession of faith, declaring that the pope no longer had jurisdiction over Scotland.
1817 Joseph Mohr, 25, began serving as pastor of the St. Nicholas Church in Oberndorf, Austria. (It was Christmas Eve, 1818, when Mohr and church organist Franz Gruber, together, produced the enduring Christmas carol, "Stille Nacht"/"Silent Night.")
1864 Birth of John Henry Jowett, English Congregational clergyman. In 1918, he succeeded G. Campbell Morgan as pastor of the famed Westminster Chapel in London.
1935 English Bible expositor Arthur W. Pink wrote in a letter: 'None but the Lord himself can afford us any help from the awful workings of unbelief, doubtings, carnal fears, murmurings. Thank God one day we will be done forever with "unbelief."'

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places."


10 Ways to tell if a Redneck has been working on a Computer

10. The monitor is up on blocks.
9. Outgoing faxes have tobacco stains on them.
8. The six front keys have rotted out.
7. The extra RAM ports have truck parts stored in them.
6. The numeric keypad only goes up to six.
5. The password is "Bubba".
4. There's a gun rack mounted on the CPU.
3. There's a Coors can in the cup holder(CD-ROM drive).
2. The keyboard is camouflaged.
AND the number 1 way to tell if a redneck has been working on a computer is...

1. The mouse is referred to as a "critter".


Murphys Law of the day...(War Laws)
If you are short of everything but the enemy, you are in the combat zone.


Cliff Clavin says, it's a little known fact that...
Oak trees do not have acorns until they are fifty years old or older.
12 posted on 08/25/2003 5:21:43 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: aomagrat
Wow. Thanks aomagrat, very interesting and the painting is great, too!
13 posted on 08/25/2003 6:22:23 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Valin
Thanks Valin, busy day, I'll have to peruse the list later this evening.
14 posted on 08/25/2003 6:23:03 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: thatdewd
Good morning thatdewd, good to see you.
15 posted on 08/25/2003 6:24:05 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: snippy_about_it; helper
mornin', y'all....fyi check the NY Times today..the obituaries...one of the command pilots on the A-bomb missions..he flew the photo-instrument plane on Tibbet's mission....died over the weekend...might be of interest to many here..regards...
16 posted on 08/25/2003 6:54:52 AM PDT by ken5050
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Good morning folks!
17 posted on 08/25/2003 7:04:56 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Morning Snippy.

Pneumonia isn't a sickness I'd associate with Iraq. Shows you how much I know.

I'd be curious to know how many military personnel die or are injured in accidents everyday, worldwide. The Press seems to only report those occurring in Iraq. I wonder why? < /sarcasm>
18 posted on 08/25/2003 7:27:46 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: E.G.C.
Morning E.G.C.
19 posted on 08/25/2003 7:28:11 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: Samwise
Morning Samwise.

Slowly but surely.
20 posted on 08/25/2003 7:29:39 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: aomagrat
Morning aomagrat.

Thanks for the profile on the CSS Shenandoah. In this age of instant and live news, its hard to imagine not getting news for weeks or even months after an event. Heck, I can hardly remember hearing about news days later by mail or having to wait for the evening news.
21 posted on 08/25/2003 7:33:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: Valin
1765 In protest over the stamp tax, American colonists sack and burn the home of Massachusetts governor Thomas Hutchinson.

Can you imagine doing anything like that to our political "Elite" now a days. They have so many laws making sure they're protected that you can barely can them a bad name without being charged with some sort of crime.

The tax increases Oregon has just passed should have people paying a visit to the members of the legislature.

22 posted on 08/25/2003 7:38:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: ken5050
Thanks for the heads up, ken5050.
23 posted on 08/25/2003 7:39:28 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Snip & Sam~

Bump for later read. I take a few days off and come back to find three viruses have propagated our systems with a series of patch updates. Containment will be fun.

24 posted on 08/25/2003 7:46:11 AM PDT by w_over_w (Getting my teenager out of bed is like trying to nail Jell-O to a tree.)
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George W. Marquardt

George W. Marquardt, an Army Air Forces pilot who took part in the World War II atomic bomb raids on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, died Aug. 15 at a nursing-care center in Murray, Utah. He was 84.

He had Parkinson's disease for many years, his wife, Bernece, said.

On the morning of Aug. 6, 1945, Major Marquardt flew a B-29 Superfortress carrying photographic equipment over Hiroshima.

His bomber — designated No. 91 but later called Necessary Evil by its crew — was part of a seven-plane mission that accompanied Col. Paul W. Tibbets Jr.'s Enola Gay when it dropped the atomic bomb.

Three days later, Major Marquardt substituted for Colonel Tibbets as pilot of the Enola Gay and flew it to conduct weather reconnaissance over Kokura, Japan, the primary target for the second atomic bomb raid.

When smoke from previous bombing obscured that city, Major Charles W. Sweeney's plane, Bock's Car, diverted to Nagasaki and dropped the second bomb.

Japan surrendered five days later, ending World War II.

George William Marquardt, a native of Princeton, Ky., and the son of a veterinarian, left Illinois Wesleyan University in March 1941 to enter the military and later joined the 509th Composite Group, which trained for the atomic bomb missions under extraordinary secrecy at Wendover Field, Utah.

On the 50th anniversary of the Hiroshima attack, Mr. Marquardt attended a reunion of the 509th at the New Mexico site where the atomic bomb was tested in July 1945, and he recalled the moment of the Hiroshima blast.

"It seemed as if the sun had come out of the earth and exploded," he told The Salt Lake Tribune.

"Smoke boiled around the flash as it rose," he said. "It felt as if a monster hand had slapped the side of the plane."

For the Hiroshima mission, scientists from the Manhattan Project, which built the bombs, put sophisticated photography equipment aboard Major Marquardt's plane to capture images of the fireball and record ground damage.

But the plane's navigator, Russell E. Gackenbach, said on Thursday from his home in Melbourne, Fla., that the crew had been told the film could not be developed.

Mr. Gackenbach, a second lieutenant at the time, said he did not know the nature of the technical problem.

Mr. Gackenbach had his own camera on the Hiroshima mission, an Agfa 620, and he took two surviving photographs of the fireball.

"Every time I flew, I had a camera, and I did that here," he said.

Mr. Marquardt left the military soon after World War II, settled in the Salt Lake City area and became an executive with the Allen Steel Company.

In addition to his wife, he is survived by his sons Steven, of Draper, Utah; Michael, of Murray; and Chris, of Lehi, Utah; a daughter, Michelle Judy, of Murray; two sisters, Vera Renfro of Florida, and Mary Marshall of Ellsworth, Me.; 11 grandchildren; and 11 great-grandchildren.

In the face of longstanding controversy, Mr. Marquardt remained steadfast in defending President Harry S. Truman's decision to use the bomb.

"I have never for one moment regretted my participation in the dropping of the A-bomb," he told The Salt Lake Tribune in 1995. "It ended a terrible war."

25 posted on 08/25/2003 7:57:03 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: w_over_w
Good Morning w_over_w.

Good luck on getting those viruses under control
26 posted on 08/25/2003 7:58:16 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: helper
FYI..see #25
27 posted on 08/25/2003 8:01:47 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks Sam....and of course, being the NYTImes, it just had to get ion the last para dig about the "controversy"....
28 posted on 08/25/2003 8:03:54 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Valin
USA : Kiss And Make Up Day

Does this mean I have to go pick a fight with hubby so we can make up?

29 posted on 08/25/2003 8:05:47 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: snippy_about_it
You're welcome for the coffee. I'll supply the magaritas at 5:00.
30 posted on 08/25/2003 8:08:21 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: bentfeather
G'morning! It was nice seeing you at the Hole.
31 posted on 08/25/2003 8:10:28 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: SAMWolf
G'mornning, Sam! This is my break from staining the kid's fort.
32 posted on 08/25/2003 8:11:38 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
Thank you Samwise. I shall come again it's a nice place.
33 posted on 08/25/2003 8:30:31 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: ken5050
It wouldn't e the NYT if it didn't say anything about the controversy.
34 posted on 08/25/2003 8:31:25 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: Samwise
If they're anything like my kids were. I'll bet they can't wait for the stain to dry.
35 posted on 08/25/2003 8:32:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: All
Military athletes honored on cereal box

Check out this article.

36 posted on 08/25/2003 8:37:15 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: SAMWolf
Well...actually my Hobbit lass didn't want me to stain it. She wanted to keep it the way Poppa (my dad) built it, but I wanted to seal it and make it match the deck and fence. She soooooo sentimental. I really had to convince her that Poppa wouldn't care, and it would last longer this way. :^)
37 posted on 08/25/2003 8:51:29 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: SAMWolf
That is cool. It's so good that patriotism is "In style" again. I'm glad to see them so honored.
38 posted on 08/25/2003 8:54:24 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
Does this mean I have to go pick a fight with hubby so we can make up?


Well I would never suggest anyone get into a fight. Why not just go right to the second part? :-)
39 posted on 08/25/2003 9:00:12 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: bentfeather
The Hole will get really fun when the third movie comes out.
40 posted on 08/25/2003 9:00:53 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise; radu; snippy_about_it; LaDivaLoca; TEXOKIE; cherry_bomb88; Bethbg79; Do the Dew; Pippin; ..
Our Military Today
Welcome Home, Well Done


U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division Spc. Travis Hunt is greeted by his girlfriend after arriving to Fort Stewart, GA Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. The 3rd Infantry Division soldiers who stormed Baghdad and fought guerillas in Iraq's Sunni triangle flew home Monday to their headquarters at Fort Stewart, completing a nine deployment to the Persian Gulf. ( AP Photo/John Moore)


U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division Spc. Lucas Eduards from Garner, N.C. is greeted by his wife Stephanie after arriving to Ft. Stewart, GA Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. Garner, with A Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment, returned with hundreds of other 2nd Brigade soldiers after spending nine months in Operation Iraqi Freedom. (AP Photo/John Moore)


U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division Staff Sgt. Thomas Slago from Los Angeles, celebrates after arriving to Fort. Stewart, GA. Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. Slago, a Bradley fighting vehicle commander with A Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment, codenamed Attack returned with hundreds of other 2nd Brigade soldiers after spending nine months in Operation Iraqi Freedom. At left is Cpt. Chris Carter from Watkinsville, GA. (AP Photo/John Moore)


U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division soldiers turn in their weapons after arriving to Hunter Airbase in Savannah, Ga. Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. Harris, with 'Attack' Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment returned after spending nine months in Operation Iraqi Freedom.(AP Photo/John Moore)


Unidentified U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division soldiers return from Iraq to Hunter Airfield in Savannah, Ga. Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. The troops with 'Attack' Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment returned after spending nine months in Operation Iraqi Freedom.(AP Photo/John Moore)


Family members cheer as soldiers from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division arrive to Ft. Stewart, GA Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. Troops from 'Attack' Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment, returned with hundreds of other 2nd Brigade soldiers after spending 9 months in Operation Iraqi Freedom. (AP Photo/John Moore)
U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division Spc. Diandrea Harris, 23, from Ozarka, AL., kisses the tarmac after arriving to Hunter Airbase from Iraq in Savannah, Ga. Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. Harris, with A Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment returned after spending nine months in Operation Iraqi Freedom.(AP Photo/John Moore)


Susan Ann Cook, niece of returning Ssg. Tomas Slago, tries on his helmet after soldiers from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division arrived to Ft. Stewart, Ga. Monday, Aug. 11, 2003. Slago and others from A Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment, returned with hundreds of other 2nd Brigade soldiers after spending nine months in Operation Iraqi Freedom. (AP Photo/John Moore)


U.S. Army Spc. Jacob Pfister from Buffalo, N.Y., center, toasts to the return of 'Attack' Company 3rd Battalion 7th Infantry Regiment from the 3rd Infantry Division from Iraq while at a bar in Savannah, Ga., early Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2003. The company returned to their base at Fort Stewart, Ga., Monday after a 9 month stint as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom. (AP Photo/John Moore)


Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III is hugged by his wife, Anita, as he arrives at Hunter Army Airfield in Savannah, Ga., Friday, Aug. 22, 2003. Blount, commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, returned with a planeload of troops and the division colors. His arrival signifies an end of the war for the Army division that led the assault on Baghdad. Soldier at right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Gerald Weaver)


41 posted on 08/25/2003 9:01:09 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: Samwise
How old is your Hobbit?
42 posted on 08/25/2003 9:03:16 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather; Victoria Delsoul
“There were really a lot of selfless acts…and divine intervention. We’re lucky to get out in one piece.”

That kinda says it all, doesn't it? God Bless these young men and women...they really are the greatest!

Thanks, Snippy, for putting Mondays together!

43 posted on 08/25/2003 9:39:01 AM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, at the Right place...)
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To: HiJinx
Morning HiJinx.

Snippy puts a lot of "last minute" work into Mondays making sure it's as current as possible.
44 posted on 08/25/2003 9:40:35 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; HiJinx
Thanks Sam and Snippy for a great thread everyday.

Jinx, yes indeed, I agree with your comment, there is a power greater than us watching over us.
45 posted on 08/25/2003 9:43:43 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: SAMWolf; CholeraJoe
Pneumonia isn't a sickness I'd associate with Iraq

You are right on a couple fronts. First how often are all the sicknesses and injuries occurring in the general population here at home? And the press only emphasises the military incidents without comparing it to general population stats.

One thing this pneumonia report doesn't solve is the recent FDIB's we talked about last week.

On the other hand, it was good to see there were no FDIB's in this weeks list.

46 posted on 08/25/2003 9:45:26 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: w_over_w
I curse Bill Gates on a daily basis. :)
47 posted on 08/25/2003 9:47:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf; Ken
Thanks Ken for the report of Marquardt's death.

Thank you SAM for doing the research and for bolding George Marquardt's statement. It's an important point to be made.
48 posted on 08/25/2003 9:49:31 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Samwise
LOL. Thanks for the offer but we generally live on coffee around here, need to stay alert in the Foxhole. Now on vacations, it's a whole different story.
49 posted on 08/25/2003 9:51:59 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: snippy_about_it; Samwise; Darksheare
I wonder if Darksheare has a marquarita recipe? it could e interesting.
50 posted on 08/25/2003 9:54:51 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline will self-destruct in five seconds.)
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