Posted on 10/09/2004 6:31:26 AM PDT by RMrattlesnake
Christian should not be Libertarians.
By Darren Morrison
I heard the Libertarian candidate talking on a local radio talk show the other day and because it was a recording from a previous show I could not call in. I was appalled by a caller who claims to be a Christian and perhaps he was. The caller had said that he was a libertarian Christian. I could say you are either one or the other. I know it is impossible for a Christian too be any type of Marxist but a confused or rebellious Christian might be miss lead into the libertarian party. I guess it would be almost like many of my brothers in Christ who are loyal to the Republican Party. I could see a Christian falling for the G.O.P. if he believe the hype and there sales pitch but if you look at there record on the issues you will see that there is a sharp contrast between reality and what they say. So it is more on likely that a miss lead Christian might fall for the G.O.P. than the libertarian party.
I will have to say that in many issues I am on the same page as the liberations. On the surface they look great. But deep down you will find that they are way of base with the position that Christian who love the lord and follow the bible should take. I have never voted for a libertarian candidate ever but I have giving it some thought before. I have even considered joining a few times even after I got right with GOD. And there are a few well meaning Christian who belong to this deceiving party.
There are quite a few reasons why Christian should not belong to the libertarian party. In this day an age there are quite a few people who like to be labeled as Christians. There are so called gay churches but thy are not Christian because repentance is very important to the salvation process as describe in the bible. There are cults who twist scriptures around to suit there false doctrines and they are not Christians as described in the bible. I am talking about true believers her those who believe the bible to be the inerrant word of God those who have accepted God’s free gift of grace. Those true born again believers who follow the word of GOD. Those are the people who I am writing this to. So if you call your self a Christian but to not follow after Christ then this massage is not for you so go back to your local tavern and continue your theological discourse.
Well to start of one very big issue I have with the Libertarians is abortion. Or what is really is infanticide. You see the Libertarian planks do not see anything wrong with murdering an unborn child. If fact they would lift all restriction on abortion making it as easy to get as a loaf of bread. The one thing is they will not make the taxes payer fund this murder. Well even if I do not have to pay for it with my taxes it is still wrong and it is evil. I made a decision and I would recommend any one who loves the lord to make this that is I had said I would never vote for anyone who would allow infanticide to go on. If there are only two candidates on a ballot of any office and both were in favor of abortion I can not in good conscience vote for either one. Anyone who signs on to the Libertarian party as a candidate has to support the planks of the Libertarian party. You see I believe if by some how a libertarian could ever get the chance to run this county and was able to push the Libertarian ideas though abortion would and the very least double may ever triple. So the Libertarian party is in favor of killing babies, even more than democrats.
Number two in my great reason Christian should not be Libertarians. Is in the idea of Parental rights. I read in amazing disbelieve when it can to religious freedoms and the family two issues the Libertarians say they support. But in there planks it says that a parent cannot force their children to attend church. You see they have rights for children. Well I am against abusing children like beating then and such but in my house my children have to go to church they are not given any choose in the matter. Until they are 18 and out of my house they do not have religious freedom. The only choose my children have are the once I give then and they mature and show responsibility there earn more freedom. But this concept and parental right is alien to Libertarians. My son gets good grades, loves sports, hates drugs and has never used any. And he goes to church every time we go and he has no choose in the matter. I guess on that issue alone I would riot in a Libertarian jail before I would give my kid a choose to go to church or not.
An other issue and I will borrow a phrase from Michael Savage a radio talk show host out of northern California. The phrase is “Borders language and culture. The three defining thing in any nation and people to ever live. I am American I am native to this great nation born here raised her and I am raising my children her as well. Libertarians want to open our borders to pull all securities to let every person seeking America to drive down wages and bring in crime. Not to mention open the floodgates to Muslim terrorist to come in and open jihad every were in our country reducing this nation to ruble in no time at all. Our borders are already a problem now, imagine them being left unguarded. Are way of life would soon be only a memory.
But I have meet hundreds of Libertarians though out the years and I might say that for the most part they are descent people. But some of the most anti-Christian vile people I have ever met in my life have also been Libertarians. There are tons of gay activist who are Libertarians. Do you think and God fearing Christian should stand beside any sodomites on any cause. The Libertarians are full of drug users, and atheist. If you use drugs and want to do so openly then the Libertarian party is for you.
You see some of the biggest enemies of believers are involved with the Libertarians so don’t trust them. The Marxists, who are the biggest threat to believers on the earth today, are also enemies to the Libertarians. They are also enemies with the United Nation the most anti-Christian origination in the world. So in that way if you believe “my enemy of my enemy is my friends” then Libertarians can be allies to believers but don’t turn your back on them remember who they are as well.
There are three types of Christian in this world those are Christian in name only, those who are in apostasy and those who are true to the word of God our at least strive to be so. Out of those three types of people who label them selves at Christian the latter of those I listed have no business belong to the devils crowd. I am a member of the Constitution party I encourage you to check that party out. But you pray read your King James Bible and decide for your self. I know a lot of good Christian who belong to the GOP my wife is one of them, but what ever you do remember who you vote for should up hold your values and if they don’t do you really want to vote for them.
Bible believing Christians as defined by the author ("those who are true to the word of God our at least strive to be so") number something less than 5%-10% (my guesstimate) of the US population. In our democratic republic, they had better learn to make allies if they want to influence policy. You can disagree with a person without making it a point to piss them off, and you can certainly work together with them on areas of common interest (and should if you want to get anything done). Certain sects (for instance the Amish), don't do politics at all.
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I don't think Christianity and the Libertarian Party's principles are compatible. Libertarianism is all about how the government either should not, or cannot, legislate certain things, such as abortion, drugs, etc.
Romans 13, however, clearly says that the government is invested with the authority to legislate as it sees fit, and we must obey them. I believe, since the government is God's vice-regent on Earth, it is precisely their job to legislate morality.
I guess I'll have to disagree with my brother Baptist on this one. I find that Libertarianism is the most consistent political philosophy with Christianity.
Really? The platform is very vague on this position. It states that Libertarians of good faith are on both sides of this issue. The only thing they want is the federal government out of the decision and no forcing someone to pay for another's abortion.
What have we been fighting for as Christian conservatives? To get the issue away from the federal government, out of the courts, and back to the states, and to cease forcing people to pay for another's abortion.
That sounds pretty similar to the Libertarian position to me.
I guess if you're gonna lie, might as well make it a big one.
I see the author isn't as against bearing false witness as he is against abortion.
Do you ever get tired of writing these foot-in-mouth essays and looking the fool?
Here is what the platform actually says:
This statement does not say that parents can't make their kids go to church with them. It says that parents can't force their kids to be Christian, Buddhist, or whatever.
As a born-again believer the author ought to know that no one can be forced into the faith.
You see some of the biggest enemies of believers are involved with the Libertarians so don’t trust them. The Marxists, who are the biggest threat to believers on the earth today, are also enemies to the Libertarians. They are also enemies with the United Nation the most anti-Christian origination in the world. So in that way if you believe “my enemy of my enemy is my friends” then Libertarians can be allies to believers but don’t turn your back on them remember who they are as well.
The same can be said for both political parties. The same can also be said most churches and religious organizations as well.
So now what? Pull out of everything?
This guy's article makes no sense and just serves to allow people who actually know what they are talking about to ridicule us Baptist's even more. Thanks a lot.
The writer is a twit.
You have some studying to do, i strongly recommend that you begin here
There is no decision which cannot be boiled down to an underlying morality. It is, therefore, unwise to offer the blanket statement that government should legislate morality.
Someone might want to hire a proofreader for this guy.
The writer also doesn't seem to have a problem with compulsory religion. As lons as it's Baptist, I'm guessing.
I once came across a website called Libertarians for Life. But most Libertarians are pro-abortion. I agree with some of the libertarians issues like getting rid of social security and letting us keep that money for ourselves. But what kept me from voting libertarian (except for the 1 time I voted for them) is their point of view on natinal security or lack thereof. They seem to be a party for people that love drugs and are particularly annoyed at christians.
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