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Submerged City May Be Older Than Mesopotamia
Hindustan Times ^ | 12-3-2003 | Utpal Parashar

Posted on 12/04/2003 9:30:18 AM PST by blam

Submerged city may be older than Mesopotamia

Utpal Parashar
Dehra Dun, December 3

A submerged coastal city near Poompuhar in Nagapattinam, Tamil Nadu, is the focus of a major expedition being conducted jointly by the Indian Naval Hydrographic Department (INHD) and the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI).

Both the organisations are trying to piece together the city's past, which some noted marine archaeologists consider to be the birthplace of modern civilisation. The once flourishing port city is located about one mile off the Nagapattinam coast.

"We have been able to locate a section of the city at a depth of 7 m and will soon start operations to recover objects that will help ascertain its past," said Rear Admiral K.R. Srinivasan, chief hydrographer to the Indian government.

English marine archaeologist Graham Hancock, who conducted an underwater exploration in the area in 2001, believes that the Poompuhar site could be older than Sumeria in Mesopotamia, where modern civilisation is believed to have originated nearly 5,000 years ago.

The 2001 expedition was funded by Channel Four of Britain and Learning Channel of the US in association with the National Institute of Oceanography (NIO), Goa.

It led Hancock to surmise that the city could have been submerged by a tidal wave as high as 400 ft somewhere between 17,000 and 7,000 years ago.

Other experts like Glenne Milne, a geologist at the University of Durham, UK, agree with Hancock. Video footage of the site shows that the submerged city near Poompuhar was far superior to constructions found in Harappan sites.

Although NIO had conducted similar offshore expeditions in the area in the late 1980s and early 1990s — and discovered objects like ring wells, brick structures and megalithic wares — it did not evince much interest till Hancock revealed his findings.

The new venture by the INHD and ASI may put an end to the debate on the submerged city. It could also rekindle a new interest in locating other such submerged towns and shipwrecks along India's coastline.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; atlantis; catastrophism; city; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; hancock; history; mesopotamia; nagapattinam; older; schoch; settegast; submerged
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1 posted on 12/04/2003 9:30:19 AM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend; RightWhale; Cool Guy
I don't know if this is the same site or not. Does anyone know?

Lost Civilisation From 7,500BC Discovered Off Indian Coast (That's 9,500 years ago, wow)

2 posted on 12/04/2003 9:33:55 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
oldcitybump
3 posted on 12/04/2003 9:34:38 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: blam
How was this city related to the Indus Valley civilization, do you know? Southern end, or not related at all?
4 posted on 12/04/2003 9:35:36 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: blam
They should have signed Kyoto and avoided global warming.
5 posted on 12/04/2003 9:36:16 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: blam
blam, do you have a ping list? Once in a while I'm lucky enough to stumble into one of your postings and I find them very interesting. I'd like to be on your list, please.
6 posted on 12/04/2003 9:36:17 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet; farmfriend
"I'd like to be on your list, please."

Okay, FReeper 'farmfriend' keeps the ping list.

7 posted on 12/04/2003 9:41:27 AM PST by blam
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To: sciencediet
I'd like to be on your list, please.

Me too!!

8 posted on 12/04/2003 9:43:39 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: blam
English marine archaeologist Graham Hancock

Graham Hancock is a freelance overseas journalist. He learned S.C.U.B.A. just so he could journalize ancient sunken cities. He digs deep and brings up cultural info that usually would be missed. He would have been a great cultural anthropologist.

9 posted on 12/04/2003 9:47:12 AM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: blam
AFAIK, Cambay is on the East Coast of India. This site appears to be in the south/south near the Bay of Bengal.
10 posted on 12/04/2003 9:56:27 AM PST by milestogo
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To: blam
Graham Hancock 'English marine archaeologist'. That alone makes me squint a little harder. I'd like to see those credentials please. Not that he isn't a fun read but you have to take his speculations with a bit more than a grain of salt.
11 posted on 12/04/2003 9:58:40 AM PST by Lee Heggy (The great secret of happiness in love is to be glad that the other fellow married her.)
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To: blam; farmfriend
I'd like to be on the pinglist too. Thanks.
12 posted on 12/04/2003 10:02:10 AM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: milestogo

13 posted on 12/04/2003 10:02:34 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

This is the general location of the 'underwater city' linked in post number two.

14 posted on 12/04/2003 10:04:54 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Graham Hancock's Underworld stuff is here
15 posted on 12/04/2003 10:05:26 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: blam
That's in the gulf of Cambay near gujarat. The site in the article in near Tamil Nadu in the south. The gulf of Cambay is closer to the locations of the indus valley civilization.
16 posted on 12/04/2003 10:15:22 AM PST by milestogo
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To: blam
Consider the source please.

Born in Edinburgh, Scotland, Hancock's early years were spent in India, where his father worked as a surgeon. Later he went to school and university in the northern English city of Durham and graduated from Durham University in 1973 with First Class Honours in Sociology. He went on to pursue a career in quality journalism, writing for many of Britain's leading newspapers including The Times, The Sunday Times, The Independent, and The Guardian. He was co-editor of New Internationalist magazine from 1976-1979 and East Africa correspondent of The Economist from 1981-1983.

Graham Hancock is a journalist with a background in Sociology not an Archaeologist 'marine' or otherwise. He writes excellent stories and speculates about things that are considered mysterious. I'm not knocking him because I don't think he wrote the article but, for someone to hang the hard earned title of Achaeologist on him in order to legitimatise what is nothing more than assumptions about some underwater ruins is improper and does a diservice to legitimate experts in the field of Archaeology.
17 posted on 12/04/2003 10:17:22 AM PST by Lee Heggy (The great secret of happiness in love is to be glad that the other fellow married her.)
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To: blam; farmfriend; EggsAckley
FF, Eggs and SD would like to be on the ping list you have for blam-like things.
18 posted on 12/04/2003 10:17:41 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet; blam
Thank you. I neglected to add Mr. Blam's name on my post. I just love this archaeological stuff!
19 posted on 12/04/2003 10:21:12 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: EggsAckley
It was just something I noticed. Maybe you can do the same for me someday; I do stuff like that all the time, only I'm hopeless.
20 posted on 12/04/2003 10:34:34 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Allan
PING
21 posted on 12/04/2003 10:35:39 AM PST by keri
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To: sciencediet
And I'll bet you even open doors for people, let people cross at crosswalks, and allow cars to merge in front of you, too. Yes, you are hopeless.........and so am I. I do all of the above. LOL!
22 posted on 12/04/2003 10:37:21 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: EggsAckley
How did you know that?!!!
23 posted on 12/04/2003 10:41:15 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: milestogo
"That's in the gulf of Cambay near gujarat. The site in the article in near Tamil Nadu in the south. The gulf of Cambay is closer to the locations of the indus valley civilization."

I don't know the geography of Inda at all. Are we talking about two underwater sites, this article and the one in post #2, or, are they in different locations?

24 posted on 12/04/2003 10:41:21 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

25 posted on 12/04/2003 10:43:38 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Lee Heggy
"Consider the source please."

Thanks, I'm familiar with Graham's background, it's limited in this area.

He has proposed some interesting ideas and maybe even discovered some things, his conclusions ought to be closely reviewed in these cases though.

26 posted on 12/04/2003 10:46:04 AM PST by blam
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To: sciencediet
Just something about that picture of you on your profile page...........heheheh.
27 posted on 12/04/2003 10:48:48 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: Lee Heggy
That's the same baggage they tried to hang on Thor Heyerdahl. Heyerdahl didn't have the "right credentials" or publish in the "right journals". He also got more people interested in the subject than a thousand "qualified" reseachers. Important work got done because Thor's subjects began appearing on the cover of popular magazines like National Geographic. Academics had to address the subjects or be ignored. How much research money, which is always hard to come by, was made available due to interest he generated? I'll take his passion for the subject over passion for tenure any day.
28 posted on 12/04/2003 10:48:54 AM PST by Gwaihir
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To: blam
This article is about a site near Tamil Nadu, in the South of India. The article linked in post #2 is about a site near the gulf of Cambay on the west coast. They appear to be different locations.
29 posted on 12/04/2003 10:51:38 AM PST by milestogo
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To: milestogo
"This article is about a site near Tamil Nadu, in the South of India. The article linked in post #2 is about a site near the gulf of Cambay on the west coast. They appear to be different locations."

Excellent, thank you.

30 posted on 12/04/2003 11:19:18 AM PST by blam
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To: golindseygo
It's not the same 'baggage' sir. Heyerdahl would never have allowed a publicist to label him anything that he wasn't. I hopefully suspect that Hancock wouldn't either. I agree with you about generating interest in the public to force the rather jaundiced eye of academia upon subjects that otherwise would go un-noticed. I assure you that most field Archaeologists have passion for their work or they wouldn't be out there doing it. I will also consider the opinion/conclusions of a professional over that of an amature. We may all agree that what looks and sounds like a duck is a duck but if I wish to know what sort or how old or what sex I will ask an ornithologist not a journalist.
31 posted on 12/04/2003 11:21:42 AM PST by Lee Heggy (The great secret of happiness in love is to be glad that the other fellow married her.)
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To: Lee Heggy
Graham Hancock

I think that's also the name of the fictional journalist Michael Savage uses for bits.

32 posted on 12/04/2003 12:04:36 PM PST by StriperSniper (The "mainstream" media is a left bank oxbow lake.)
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To: EggsAckley
Pray tell, do tell.
33 posted on 12/04/2003 12:35:39 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
Well, shoot! Last time I looked there was a very intelligent looking ostrich! He's gone now.
~</;o)
34 posted on 12/04/2003 12:54:16 PM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: EggsAckley

You Rang?

Much like the submerged coastal city near Poompuhar, Tamil Nadu, my head's been under the surface as well. Wouldn't you after hearing POOMPUHAR?


35 posted on 12/04/2003 1:23:44 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
Yup! That's the guy!!! LOL!!!
36 posted on 12/04/2003 1:27:09 PM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
It was obviously flooded by rising oceans during the recent (5000 B.C.) global warming. Save the glaciers, or we're next.
37 posted on 12/04/2003 1:29:18 PM PST by js1138
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To: little jeremiah
Ancient City Ping.
38 posted on 12/04/2003 1:31:08 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: golindseygo
I'll take his passion for the subject over passion for tenure any day.

I very much like that turn of phrase. But reasonable skepticism is essential in evaluating any of this stuff.

39 posted on 12/04/2003 1:39:15 PM PST by Bernard Marx (I have noted that persons with bad judgment are most insistent that we do what they think best.)
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To: blam
Just curious. Have you ever read Written in Stone by Chet Raymo? It's a little book that addresses geology through the millenia. Fascinating.
40 posted on 12/04/2003 1:48:08 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
"Just curious. Have you ever read Written in Stone by Chet Raymo? It's a little book that addresses geology through the millenia. Fascinating."

No, I've not read Written In Stone

41 posted on 12/04/2003 3:14:19 PM PST by blam
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To: shamusotoole
Here we are at 40+ posts and no-one has mentioned Atlantis yet.

Go here for the latest update on the underwater site off the coast of Cuba.

42 posted on 12/04/2003 3:23:50 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Oh, you found it. Being only around 140 pages it gives the reader a wonderful instant global look at the US northeast over millions of years and makes one wonder what moving continents might have left behind.
43 posted on 12/04/2003 4:03:58 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: blam
Fascinating. Anyone catch the Discovery Channel (I think) program on mega-tsunamis the other day? They mentioned a distaster of just this sort on the coast of India.
44 posted on 12/04/2003 4:08:02 PM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: blam
Fascinating!
45 posted on 12/04/2003 4:16:25 PM PST by Amelia ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo)
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To: B Knotts
"Fascinating. Anyone catch the Discovery Channel (I think) program on mega-tsunamis the other day? They mentioned a distaster of just this sort on the coast of India."

Yup. I saw that for the second time.

I read an interesting article sometime back that speculates about the prehistoric South Americans making moves from the coastal areas to inland regions just to get away from tsunamis. I may have something in the GGG files on this, I'll go look. (something about meteorite impacts in the Pacific Ocean)

BTW, just read last night that meteorite impacts into water causes the climate to get warm and wet while those on land causes cold and dry conditions.

46 posted on 12/04/2003 4:54:14 PM PST by blam
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To: B Knotts
Found it. Go to post #36 on the thread linked below and read it.

Evidence Of Tunguska-Type Impacts Over The Pacific Basin Around The Year 1178AD

47 posted on 12/04/2003 5:02:05 PM PST by blam
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To: sciencediet
"Oh, you found it. Being only around 140 pages it gives the reader a wonderful instant global look at the US northeast over millions of years and makes one wonder what moving continents might have left behind."

I like this by Chet RaymoThe Real Story Of Ireland's Snakes

48 posted on 12/04/2003 5:11:35 PM PST by blam
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To: B Knotts; RightWhale
I found something that may have caused a 400 foot tidal wave. This is from a book I'm presently reading.

"Alexander and Edith Tollmann, geologists at the University of Virginia, have argued that a series of large ocean impacts, coupled with smaller land collisions, in the middle of the eighth millennium BC is the cause of Noah's Flood... Greenland ice-core data and tree-rings show that something major did happen right at the time the Tollmanns propose. A very strong acid layer has been dated to 7630BC (+-170 years)"

They go on to propose: "...the Tollmanns argue that a comet with seven large fragments struck the world's oceans more or less simultaneously in the Tasman Sea southeast of Australia, in the South China Sea, in the west-central Indian Ocean, in the North Atlantic, in the central Atlantic south of the Azores, in the Pacific off Central America, and farther south in the Pacific just west of Tierra del Fuego. The impacts set up giant tsunamis...."

Looks like this could be a possible source of a giant tsunami in the correct time frame, huh.

49 posted on 12/04/2003 6:00:50 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; abner; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

50 posted on 12/04/2003 6:02:44 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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