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$7 Trillion National Debt Zeroed Out by Transaction Fee
Company Press Release ^ | 2-20-24 | Chaka Fattah

Posted on 02/20/2004 12:45:22 PM PST by Crossbow Eel

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To: muleskinner
Uh, no...what do they say?
41 posted on 02/20/2004 1:18:57 PM PST by Feiny (Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing.)
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To: Crossbow Eel
I couldn't find any specific rates in the pages I quickly checked, but one example rate was 5%. Imagine a 5% tax on your employer paying your paycheck. Then add 5% when you pay for something with a credit card. Add another 5% when you pay your credit card bill with a check.

First thing that would happen is that I would ask my employer to pay me in cash and I would pay for everything in cash. That should knock out at least one level of taxes. If I could get my company to pay my big bills directly (like my mortgage and car) instead of paying me, I would save another 5%. It would be a very small step from there to just having the company own my house and car and let me use them. They could also provide for my food, medical care, entertainment, etc. to avoid any financial transactions.

Now compare two supply chains. One a big car company that owns coal and iron mines, smelters, metal shaping plants, oil wells, refineries, plastic factories, car assembly plants, and the dealerships. They would pay a total 5%. Compare that to a set of specialized companies each producing one custom item. That would mean 5% on each level of transfer. A huge advantage would be given to the vertically integrated companies even if they aren't the most efficient because they are so generalized. The little companies couldn't survive long. ADM would own the farms, processing plants and grocery stores.

The big speculative transactions in various stock and bond markets would dry up. They rely on 0.1% differences in prices. 5% would kill them, so that part of the transaction tax would never be collected, even if it was budgeted for. This is similar to the proposed Tobin Tax which had the twin goal of collecting huge amounts of money on foreign exchange transactions while reducing the number of transactions. You can't get both.

Overall, I would say that this is not only a bad idea, it would be abolutely destructive to the nation as a free country.

The only fair tax is a national retail sales tax. One tax at one level. Same rate for everything. Tax those who take from society through consumption rather than those who put into society through production and income.

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42 posted on 02/20/2004 1:19:08 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The idea of five Supreme Court justices appointed by President Kerry chills me to the bone.)
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To: Mudcat
That's funny -- I wrote "or a VAT" and deleted it.

This would also be an INSTANT 4% bump in inflation. I wonder how the government would handle this in it's CPI/PPI reports.

43 posted on 02/20/2004 1:20:24 PM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: fsorbello

I can't imagine that the tax situation in this country could be be corrected by just instituting a "transaction fee" on all electronic transfers, but I'm not a well-read tax guy.

How many times do you want to pay taxes on your savings and checking account?

Every transaction today is electronic at one stage or more in going from you bank account when you write the check, or equivalent in Credit Card to the bank of who ever is to receive money that you spend.

Often times their are multiple transactions to get funds from point A the place of payment to point B the guy who did the selling. The same is true of putting funds into your bank from wages and earning it.

It's called the ducks nibbling todeath. No on duck gets more than a crumb but by the time its all said and done, what was called some small fraction of a percent of one's dollar becomes 10 and 20 times that amount the cascading and multiple tax transactions.

Basically the transaction tax is a VAT on steriods. Everyone get skinned alive & no-one can ever figure out just how much it has cost them. Socialist governments that like to grow love em.

44 posted on 02/20/2004 1:30:25 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Would a cash transaction include depositing my paycheck into my checking account?

Yes as well as taking it out again to spend it.

It is hit when the company you work for sends it from their bank,

It is hit when your bank receives it,

It is hit when it leaves your bank when you spend it,

It is hit when it arrives at the retail store's bank account.

Multiply that time every kind of transaction for goods, investment .... in the United States and realise that even if it doesn't come immediately out of your account all the time, it will get you anyway when it is passed back on to you through the price you pay for all your goods and services with all the transactions taxed built into them.

European Socialists and love this tax.

45 posted on 02/20/2004 1:36:43 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"Tax those who take from society through consumption rather than those who put into society through production and income."

Worth repeating!
46 posted on 02/20/2004 1:37:26 PM PST by CSM (My Senator is so stupid he'd have to get naked to count to 21 and my Governor wouldn't be able to!)
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To: CSM; Rodney King
Yeah -- the more the scrutiny, the uglier it gets. And yes, I pay more than $200/month -- a lot more.
47 posted on 02/20/2004 1:43:19 PM PST by alancarp (NASCAR: Where everything's made up and the points don't matter.)
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To: CSM
Just make sure everyone can see the tax. If it's hidden behind prices and not visible to everyone, you have a VAT on steriods.
48 posted on 02/20/2004 1:43:22 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Crossbow Eel
Suunds crazy, but think about a day trader. Let's say he only plays with $10,000 a day. If he buys and sells one stock a day, that would be $20,000 * ~200 in one year, or $4 million in transactions per year. Big bucks, but I imagine the distortion on the market would be huge as well. Immediately, you would find fewer transactions, and wouldn't that slow the flow of money? But it would be better than a direct tax like the income tax.
49 posted on 02/20/2004 7:36:42 PM PST by sixmil
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To: Crossbow Eel
I guess this guy doesn't realize that if you start taxing something, people change their behavior.
50 posted on 02/20/2004 7:39:23 PM PST by Koblenz (There's usually a free market solution)
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