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Boycott Heinz
Southern Spectator Weekly ^ | 04/15/04 | L. Sherman Roberts

Posted on 04/15/2004 9:00:42 AM PDT by tamcraft

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To: Indie
"That's life. A few casualties along the way."

Sounds like stuartcr & Co. believe every American is entitled to guaranteed job security and every investor is entitled to guaranteed return. Sounds kinda utopian to me.

61 posted on 04/15/2004 11:57:40 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: pepperhead
"You can't get a refund on partly used ketchup."

Oh, yes you can. All the major supermarkets in my area will give any dissatisfied customer a complete refund on any portion returned. No questions asked.

62 posted on 04/16/2004 12:00:33 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Grut
I already boycott Ford, because they donate to Planned Parenthood.

I've always purchased an American car, but next time it will be from Japan. The parts in American cars from from other countries, anyway. Right?
63 posted on 04/16/2004 1:13:25 AM PDT by Sun
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To: TopQuark
Boycotting Heinz when most of their factories are in other countries is a safe way to go. Other countries might not have the same kind of standards that we do in the U.S.A., and you could get sick.

Heinz has 57 factories in other countries. Is that what Heinz 57 stands for? :)
64 posted on 04/16/2004 1:22:24 AM PDT by Sun
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To: Bonaparte
I don't know, as I rarely go grocery shopping....but I will check the next time I do.
65 posted on 04/16/2004 5:34:37 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Indie
I don't punish the employees of Planned Parenthood.
66 posted on 04/16/2004 5:36:02 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Bonaparte
Thanks, I've never had a company before.
67 posted on 04/16/2004 5:39:47 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Bonaparte
"Who owns Hunt's and Del Monte and what do they do with their money?"

Are any of those owners running for President?

You simply don't know. Teresa Heinz Kerry is not "the owner" of the Heinz corporation. She and her children and the family foundations own together 4% of the stock.

And they do not have any involvement with the operations of the company.

So unless you are prepared to investigate and boycott any product that is owned 4% or more by a liberal you don't like, then you are simply acting irrationally.

Maybe the Bush family owns Heinz stock? Maybe Kerry owns Delmonte stock? Who knows?

SD

68 posted on 04/16/2004 6:09:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Bonaparte
The free exercise of consumer choice in the marketplace is a mob action? Of course not.

I am sure you see the difference between free choice and enticing a group of people to take a coordinated action against someone --- for the sole reason of... not liking that person's name. In this case "person" is a company.

Are you saying the American consumer owes his dollar to Heinz No.

69 posted on 04/16/2004 8:14:40 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Sun
Boycotting Heinz when most of their factories are in other countries is a safe way to go. Other countries might not have the same kind of standards that we do in the U.S.A., and you could get sick.

You are being both dishonest and silly: you want all American companies not to operate abroad --- probably because you fell for that socialist propaganda against outsourcing; and you are using "standards" as an excuse.

Both points are actually incorrect: you have no right to tell other Americans where to invest their money, and the standards are maintained at Heinz are American, regardless of where their plants are located. Perhaps, you should become more familiar with the subject matter before you defame honest, hardworking people. It's not nice. It's not a conservative thing to do --- that is one of the Commandments, actually.

70 posted on 04/16/2004 8:19:29 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: tamcraft

NO HEINZ


71 posted on 04/16/2004 8:23:37 AM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate))
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To: TopQuark; Sun
the standards are maintained at Heinz are American, regardless of where their plants are located. Perhaps, you should become more familiar with the subject matter before you defame honest, hardworking people. It's not nice. It's not a conservative thing to do --- that is one of the Commandments, actually.

Not to mention that the entire "outsourcing" charge is ridiculous. American ketchup is made in America. Would those opposed to outsourcing rather that Heinz made every product for the entire world here in America?

Is it even feasible to ship foodstuffs all over the world economically? Given the choice of having American-owned ketchup plants in Europe or having no market share due to higher prices due to shipping costs, any reasonable person would build plants where the markets are.

SD

72 posted on 04/16/2004 9:08:26 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: TopQuark
"I am sure you see the difference between free choice and enticing a group of people to take a coordinated action against someone..."
    Are the individuals in that group of "enticed" people being forced to do anything against their will? Is not each of those people making a choice for himself? When, for example, somebody actively encourages others to write their legislators in support of a bill, are all those who do so just a bunch of zombies, each surrendering his individual will to another? We're not discussing impressionable young children here.
...for the sole reason of... not liking that person's name. In this case "person" is a company.
    Not liking the name? "Heinz" is a perfectly good name. What inspires my free and considered choice to not buy Heinz company products is that: 1) a pack of commies seeking control of the Presidency makes half a billion dollars per year off the company's success, and 2) the company involves itself with the Tides Foundation (and, no, I don't care that Heinz characterizes that involvement as innocuous.)

All this has already been made clear from previous posts, so why the straw man?

73 posted on 04/16/2004 1:05:29 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
the company involves itself with the Tides Foundation

The company does not such thing. The Heinz family foundations do. As many FReepers fail to understand, there is a difference between the two. You do truth and yourself a disservice when you confuse the two.

SD

74 posted on 04/16/2004 1:13:10 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
You finally got one right, SD. And I thank you for the correction. That leaves one compelling reason, at least for me, to not buy Heinz products. If you can show me that the Heinz family does not make substantial profit from its shares in the Heinz company, I'll drop my "boycott."

Good luck. And, by the way, I couldn't care less if Bush or anybody else owns stock in Heinz.

75 posted on 04/16/2004 1:25:33 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
If you can show me that the Heinz family does not make substantial profit from its shares in the Heinz company, I'll drop my "boycott."

I can only argue that your action is irrational. Cause you haven't investigated the options.

And, by the way, I couldn't care less if Bush or anybody else owns stock in Heinz.

Exactly. You like this boycott cause it feels good. It's inconsistent.

I can tell you this: don't reach for the Del Monte ketchup. Heinz and Del Monte swapped divisions around a year or two ago. Heinz shareholders also got interests in Del Monte and vice versa.

I wonder what else Teresa Heinz or some famous liberal might own. You might go hungry.

SD

76 posted on 04/16/2004 2:03:59 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Bonaparte
All this has already been made clear from previous posts,

Every word you say indicates that things are very far from clear to you:

TQ: "I am sure you see the difference between free choice and enticing a group of people to take a coordinated action against someone..."

Napoleon: Are the individuals in that group of "enticed" people being forced to do anything against their will?

This assumes that anything that is not forced is moral. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you urge rape of a woman, just because you don't hold a gun to a rapist's head does not make YOUR action moral.

When, for example, somebody actively encourages others to write their legislators in support of a bill,

There is no comparison here. In a democracy, that is what we are supposed to do: advocate our own preferences and let the majority win.

This is different from taking a mob action against people that invest their money just because SOMEONE else is doing what you do not support. There are MILLIONS of people that have invested in Heinz. Teresa Heinz is just one of them. She owns a very minor stake and the COMPANY has nothing to do with her or Kerry. As I said earlier, guilt by association is a patently unAmerican value, and yet this is what you promulgate.

If what you urge is successul, millions of people that have nothing to do with Kerry or your ideas will suffer.

Further, you do not understand how foundations are managed. Whatever foundation you have grievances with has now nothing to do with the Heinz as a company: it is managed entirely separately.

A couple of centuries ago, workers that did not understand the changes brought about by the industrial revolution destroyed the machines, thinking that they were the root of evil. You are doing the same thingh, lacking knowlge of things you fight against. Learn about them first, and then see whether your anger is targeted appropriately.

As of right now, the actions you propose will NOT affect Kerry or Heinz a single bit and WILL affect negatively millions of people that have NOTHING to do with the issue.

That is simply wrong.

I have nothing more to add.

77 posted on 04/16/2004 4:31:53 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: SoothingDave
You do truth and yourself a disservice when you confuse the two.

And to millions of other people.

That is indeed soothing that you pointed that out; thank you.

78 posted on 04/16/2004 4:33:44 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Paulie
Are you always so eager to take mob action?
79 posted on 04/16/2004 4:36:02 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Paved Paradise
Will never buy their products again now that I know where she is putting her discretionary giving.

And what does have to do with the company named Heinz?

80 posted on 04/16/2004 4:36:48 PM PDT by TopQuark
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