It's eeeeeevill! Pure eeeeevillll!
Posted on 06/30/2004 3:27:30 AM PDT by RaceBannon
Dood, you gotta learn how to resize them images. That's gonna garble up "My Comments" page for days...
Sorry Rev.
I knew you were Free Methodist and thought they only recognized the 1611 Version, Charles Wesley Hymns. :>)
Sounds like a personal preference to me. Unless someone artist's music is blatantly anti-Christian, I don't have a problem with it. As a church piano player I'm influenced by people like Billy Joel and Bruce Hornsby. Doesn't mean I necessarily condone their lifestyles. If a ccm artist wants to put decent lyrics to rock music, I say have at it.
It's eeeeeevill! Pure eeeeevillll!
Sorry, the point of your story escapes me. Perhaps you should provide some explanation, as i see the story as multi-faceted, and am quite at a loss as to which of those facets you wished to emphasise.
remove thy splinter Pastor ! - we gave up the KJV in the 70's - NIV now - plus my head banging son is in the praise band on his epiphone double cutaway
Now - that said - I love old hymns with three and four part harmony - nothing makes me cry faster - cept my wifes cookin ;-P - each has its place in worship
But were definitely not the legalists you recall (just dont pass the beer around)
sorry bro
s'okay, I'll just have to talk a lot more...
ouch - spot on LOL
***Sorry, the point of your story escapes me.***
That those who think the precept "Come out from among them and be ye separate," doesn't apply to the situation we find ourselves in (where the Church in America is looking more and more like the world) and they may find that they have been spiritually deceived.
should be deleted by 3....2....1....
no prob
Now what historical Christian pioneer used to take bar songs and turn them into hymns? Hmmm....
heh heh heh...sorry to give you grief. But that won't take it off "My Comments" page.
No real problem bro. I was just havin' some fun with ya.
Humor...dude...it was ALL humor.
Even the 1611 part.
:>)
Once I build a megachurch and live in the ZirConCathedral I'm gonna have all you freeper christian musicians come round and bless the congregation with grand ole calvinist/arminian praise and rock ditties.
***Hmmm, interesting logic. So how many times does "Jesus" occur in the Old Testament? If it's not there, must it be discarded as being "un-Christian"?***
Well, I guess we could take that question to Jesus himself. He might respond something like...
And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?"
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself."
So, yes, I would say that "Jesus" is abundantly present in the OT.
(And technically the greek "Jesus" is the aramaic Yeshua > hebrew: Yehoshua > i.e. "Joshua" - so that's there also.)
***If the Lord leads you to stay away from it, that is the Lord's Word to YOU, and you only. When you try to impose it on others, you are taking His place, and passing off His Word to you as His Word to everyone.***
No man is an island.
CCM is having a massive impact on Christian youth - and the Church at large. To fail to "test it's spirit" is simply inviting disaster.
We have has CCM around as a major factor for around 15 years. In that period of time have we noticed it effecting a substantial improvment in the spiritual lives of Christian youth? I would say no. I find the effect somewhere between minimal and negative. That's because when you boil it all down, all CCM really is is just entertainment.
You may be offended because Race mentioned someone you know. I'm sure your friend is a good guy - but CCM's effect is larger than any one person. RaceBannon has the duty, as a thinking Christian, to examine all things in light of scripture.
LOL! Half of the artists he metioned weren't even playing music 15 years ago! I've been involved with music as a bass player for 36 years, and have played all types of music, including Gospel, old hymns (not easy to put bass guitar to, but it can be done), CCM, and nearly every other kind you can imagine except Bluegrass and Hip-Hop. If music was such a corrupting influence in and of itself, I'd be a basket case by now, or in the looney bin.
I'm a musician, music is what I play, using the gift God gave me, and seeing it open doors for me to share Jesus and encourage others. for these people, music is their vocation, their "tent-making" job. For some reason, mention playing music and peoples' eyes glaze over and they say, "well, that's not a REAL job". Have you ever tried to make a living from music??? A lot harder than most other jobs! And then some self-righeous yahoo comes along and starts telling us that these people's vocation is "of the devil".
I make more money from my "day job" than I do from music, but I enjoy the music a whole lot more (and I enjoy my day job too), and I feel very blessed by the Lord in what he's given me. It's not for you, or anyone else to judge my walk. If I stand or fall, I do so unto the Lord, and He is able to keep me from falling.
*** Half of the artists he metioned weren't even playing music 15 years ago!***
No but CCM was.
***I'm a musician, music is what I play, using the gift God gave me, and seeing it open doors for me to share Jesus and encourage others.***
That is fantastic. Honestly.
***If music was such a corrupting influence in and of itself,***
That's not my contention. I am talking specifically about the CCM industry.
*** Have you ever tried to make a living from music???***
Yes, in fact, I have - before Jesus saved me, in the secular music biz. That's where I learned the meaning of the word "scum-bag"
***And then some self-righeous yahoo comes along...***
Hey, come on, RaceBannon isn't a self-righteous yahoo! He is your brother in Christ.
***and starts telling us that these people's vocation is "of the devil".***
The vocation of music is not "of the devil", RaceBannon never said that.
***It's not for you, or anyone else to judge my walk.***
Nobody is judging you friend. We are just looking at a modern phenomenon, a music industry owned by secular, profit hungry companies that is promoting shallow spirituality, worldy music and an aloof, hipper-than-thou, looks-centerd attitude to the Christian youth of our day.
I would say that is something worth comparing to scripture.
LOL! Half of the artists he mentioned weren't even playing music 15 years ago!
I about busted my gut laughing when I read this myself. Most of the CCM artists I listen to were recording CCM at least thirty years ago!
So what does that make CCM before 1989 - a minor factor?
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