Posted on 09/16/2004 1:08:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
Um, no. Possession of obscene material is not illegal. Production and distribution are.
However, no prosecutor in his right mind would attempt to get a conviction against someone for producing "plain vanilla" mainstream porn.
Sigh. No, you cannot.
Where did you get that from? That's almost laughable! No, I retract that. That's sounds very libertarian. Why is child pornography wrong? That is just a THING according to your deductions here. When it somes to sexual immorality, I am finding out through many posts here on FR that conservatives and libertarians don't have much in common.
And because of this attitude...someday child pornography will be legal as well.
Because of the harm to the children forced to perform in kiddie porn.
When it somes to sexual immorality, I am finding out through many posts here on FR that conservatives and libertarians don't have much in common.
If you're in favor of having the government peer into the bedrooms of consenting adults, then we really don't have much in common.
Child porn is quite different than pornogaphy involving adults. The reason that prosecutors don't file charges against regular porn producers is because they have to get a jury to agree that such material is obscene. If we're talking about mainstream porn, that is very difficult if not impossible to do, even in rural Mississippi or Alabama. It seems that the vast majority of Americans, liberal and conservative, believe that images of consenting adults having sex is not obscene.
With child porn, all the prosecutor needs to prove is that the pornographer knowingly filmed or distributed images of underage kids having sex.
I've been through this argument before, moderman. With liberals and libertarians. Moral relativism amongst the lot is constantly pushing the envelope. Believe me. The age of consent will continue to decrease and what is illegal today will be legal tomorrow.
You obviously don't share my Christian perspective and I respect your right to your opinion. You obviously believe that pornography is not obsene and does not effect people in adverse ways and therefore should be legal and beyond the scrutiny of those who rule to achieve the common good. I disagree with you. Just 50 years ago, in a country far more conservative than it is now, pornography, as we know it today, was underground and hard to get. I don't remember any of it when I was younger...other than Playboy...and that was extremely soft porn compared to the trash that exists today....THAT 12 YEAR OLDS HAVE ACCESS TO. You want no controls on porn...I want more...we'll see who wins. God Bless.
When it comes to porn, the only reason the age of consent for starring in porn is 18 is because it is fairly easy to tell the difference between an 18 year old and a 15 year old. If the age of consent was dropped to 16, it would be really difficult to tell whether a girl perfoming in a video was 16 or 14.
The point is, porn age of consent laws are generally different from consent laws dealing with sex. It is perfectly legal in most states for a couple of 16 year olds to have sex, though it is illegal for them to film the act. The two types of age of consent are different issues.
You obviously believe that pornography is not obsene and does not effect people in adverse ways and therefore should be legal and beyond the scrutiny of those who rule to achieve the common good.
I believe that porn involving consenting adults is not obscene. However, I agree with you that porn can have adverse effects on people, but that's not really relevant, in my mind. It's not government's job to protect adults from their own bad decisions.
You want no controls on porn
Not at all. I have no problems with prosecuting child pornographers, people who sell or distribute porn to children or spammers who send pornographic e-mail to children or nonconsenting adults. The only legal porn, in my view, is porn involving consenting adults that is watched by consenting adults.
I want more..
My question to you is: As a conservative, how can you justify being in favor of the government intruding into the private behavior of consenting adults?
What about the link between pornography and long naps?
When private behavior adversely effects the common good I see it no different than any other criminal behavior. Basic sociology.
PS. I should have said...it appears you want no controls on adult porn. :^)
My point with age of consent has nothing to do with the difference as you expounded upon (which has its validity). My only point is that this age is being pushed to lower and lower standards. The idea that adult porn is ok and should not be regulated is part, not all, but part of the reason this age of consent is being pushed lower and lower. It is my opinion, and only opinion based on observation, that as long as society lets it go unchecked, this age will lower and other restrictions will be tolerated for the sake of personal liberties. I see this as detrimental to society.
When it comes to sexual immorality, I am finding out through many posts here on FR that conservatives and the Spanish Inquisition branch of FR don't have much in common.
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