Skip to comments.Rabbi Shlomo Amar's wife, kids to be charged [Jewish "honor" crime?]
Posted on 05/08/2005 9:10:26 PM PDT by Alouette
Police said Sunday they had collected sufficient evidence to press charges against Sephardi Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar's wife, daughter and son in connection with the alleged kidnapping and beating of a 17-year-old haredi youth romantically involved with Amar's 18-year-old daughter.
"We believe we have sufficient evidence to press charges against the suspects and will recommend that the prosecution do so," said a senior police officer involved in the investigation.
The officer stressed that police have yet to obtain concrete evidence against Amar, who is currently in Thailand on business and is scheduled to return on Tuesday. Police confirmed that Amar was at home when the youth was brought to the family's Jerusalem apartment following a night of abuse in Kalansua, but said there were conflicting versions regarding his level of involvement in the affair.
Ayala Amar, the rabbi's daughter, met the 17-year-old boy from Bnei Brak over the Internet some three months ago, police said. Meir the chief rabbi's 31-year-old estranged son who turned secular some 15 years ago kidnapped the youth in an effort to persuade him to break off the relationship with his sister.
During the night of the kidnapping last month, Meir took the youth to Kalansua where two of his acquaintances Abdullah and Ahmed Maslawah tied him up, cut off his peyot, cut his kippa in half and beat him for several hours. In the morning, the youth was taken to the Amar home, were the beating continued.
On Sunday, police confronted Amar's wife Mazal with the abducted youth. During the confrontation, the youth reportedly told police the chief rabbi was not only present while he was beaten, but also knew of the abduction. Police have said they intend to request permission from Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz to question Amar upon his return.
While police suspect Meir was the mastermind behind the kidnapping, they said he was ordered to do so by his mother, who told him of Ayala's illicit relationship and asked him to "take care of the problem."
On Friday, the three Amar family members were brought to Tel Aviv District Court which extended Meir's remand by an additional eight days. Ayala and her mother were released to house arrest. Sources close to Amar said Sunday that while he admits to being home at the time of the alleged beating, he was not aware of the abduction.
"Maybe that boy was brought to the rabbi's house in the early morning hours when Amar was sleeping," one source said. "But that does not mean the rabbi was aware of what was going on."
"First, the rabbi's apartment is big and the distance from the family room to the bedroom is far enough so that the rabbi probably never heard anything," the source added. "In addition, there are always people coming and going at the rabbi's house. It's like a train station. So even if the rabbi saw the boy on his way to morning prayers, it is not clear he would think twice about it."
"Rabbi Amar is a respected Torah figure. If he would have known about the kidnapping and the beating he would have stopped it immediately," he said.
Sources close to Amar placed the blame squarely on the shoulders of Meir, who left home some 15 years ago. Of Amar's 12 children four boys and eight girls Meir is the only one who abandoned religion.
Sources close to Amar also rejected claims that Ayala reciprocated the young man's love. These sources said that the youth is a known haredi juvenile delinquent.
"He forced himself on her against her will. The brother found out and decided to do something about it," one source said.
The youth belongs to a well-respected Sephardi family in Bnei Brak. Since he is a minor, there is a police ban on the publishing his name.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual mentor of Shas, spoke by phone with Amar. "I am sure everything will work for the better in the end," he told him. "I pray that God will bring your son back to the fold."
Maybe it is more morally logical but nevertheless it was not really necessary to resort to violence and now it is a crime.
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What is a peyot and a kippa? SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME!
Sounds like something that would happen in the back desert of Saudi Arabia.
tied him up, cut off his peyot, cut his kippa in half and beat him for several hours.
And what's a peyot and a kippa? There must be some significance to it.
peyot are sidelocks and a kippa is a skullcap.
>What is a peyot and a kippa?
Peyot are the sidelocks which a male wears; the kippa is a skull cap.
Haredi is another name for "Ultra-Orthodox" Jew.
This is wrong and shouldn't have happened, but it is a far cry from what often happens in the case of a certain other religion.
You know... the one where the girl would most likely be stabbed, shot or otherwise punished for offenses against family honor... TRO-pieces...
These "ultra-orthodox" are obstacles to a peaceful resolution of the horrible situation that exists in that region, as are the militant jihadists on the other side. They both have backed away from reason so far that their asses are touching. They should join together and go away.
... Side Curls (Peyot) Why do male Chasidic Jews have the long curls in their hair?
... Why do Jewish men cover their heads with a yarmulke (kippa)? ...
I wondered the same thing...
Ouch. Seventeen and eighteen year-old Sephardis, with a secular 31 year-old brother of the female who cuts off the curls and cap of the young male......there's a soap opera somewhere in this.
I don't see how this is an honor crime. It sounds like the victim did something to piss the daughter off, and she sicced the black sheep of the family on him. Sounds more like a jilted lover or maybe the victim got too fresh.
Your post clearly illustrates your total lack of understanding of the realities in the Israeli/ Palestinian situation.
Sorry Charlie, I was talking about obstacles to a peaceful resolution. Read.
When was the last time you saw them make a distinction between Palestinian Christians and Muslims? I'm just sayin...
There was an article in my local paper about a year ago about a group of Israeli Jews forcing a Palestinian Christian family off their farm whose ownership predated Israel's existance by about 50 years. They just wanted the land and so the corrupt Israeli court let them take it away from them. The reason it was in the paper is that the wife was an American born and raised in our area who was sorta appealing to American interests to help her family. She and her Palestinian husband, and their children, are Christians.
The real religious minorities, the Christians, Druze and Zoroastrians have always been victimized primarily by Islam, but that doesn't mean that they have any real equality in Israel either. I am very pro-Israel because it is a fairly peaceful, democratic state that is turning capitalist, but I am well aware of its darker side. Part of that has been that Israel has really never given a rat's ass about the Palestinian Christians, and now they pay the price for that. I think it's because Christianity is such an affront to so many Jews that they'd rather deal with Islam in a military conflict than Christianity in a religious one.
For the record, I oppose the "roadmap to peace" and support full Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories as they are part of the covnenant lands.
I disagree with everything that you wrote about "ultra-orthodox" Jews. Why do you believe that they are obstacles to a peaceful resolution of the Palestinian Arab violence against innocent Israelis? Why do you compare them to militant Jihadists who want to kill innocent people? In what way are they comparable?
They wear peyot because the Torah (the five books of Moses) command that Jews should not cut the hair at the corners of their head, and they take this commandment to mean that they should not cut the hair that grows above their sideburns.
A yarmulke is a symbol of G-d's protective cover over the world, and of the wearer's obedience to G-d.
And it's Mr. Charlie to you.
I think that you are misinformed about Israel's relationship with the Arab Christian community. If you would post the article from your local paper that alleges that a Christian family was forced off of their farm, I'm sure that someone here will be able to tell you the other side of the story. In fact, Christians, Druze and Zoroastrians, as well as people of every other religion -- or no religion -- have equal rights in Israel. There are Israeli citizens who are Christians and Druze (I don't know about Zoroastrians), and in fact there are many Druze who have significant roles in the Israel Defense Forces (the Israeli army).
The Israeli Supreme Court, and Israeli courts generally, are openly liberal and are not "friendly" to the Israeli government at all. So this family's situation seems odd, to say the least. It seems very strange to me that the courts would have allowed this if the facts of the case are beyond dispute.
I didn't compare them. Oh, yes I did. For very different reasons. They both present obstacles to a peaceful resolution to the terrible and unnecessary difficulities that contunue to plague this troubled region.
And it's OK if you disagree with me, maybe we both can learn.
Your anti-Semitism is noted for future reference.
Sephardi is the Hebrew word for a Jew from the Mediterranean (it means Spaniard in medieval Hebrew), as opposed to an Ashkenazi
, a Jew from Northern or Eastern Europe (which means German in medieval Hebrew).
In Israel, Sephardim are generally Orthodox, they have their own political party called Shas, and there is tension between them and the secular/atheist Jews, the majority of which tend to be Ashkenazi in background - although more and more of the Ashkenazi population is made up of Hasidic Orthodox Jews. And hasid means a devotee of a specific tradition of Orthodox Ashkenazi spirituality. It means "faithful" in Hebrew.
Our town's paper probably doesn't have it online anymore. If I find it, I'll post it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock Israel, I was just saying that Israel is not perfect and that it does deserve its fair share of criticism like any other country. Too often I just see conservatives giving them a free pass since it's a Jewish majority state and they don't want to "offend God."
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I don't think that Israel is perfect, either. However, I don't believe that Israel would take some poor Christian (or Muslim) Arab's farm without due process and a good reason to do so. I also believe that this has seldom, if ever, occurred (with the exception of land abandoned by Arabs who left in connection with Israel's war of independence in 1948 and the 6-day war of June 1967). From time to time Israel does knock down orchards when they have been used by snipers or bomb-throwers, and on even more rare occasions it has taken land by adverse possession when it needs it for roads or security. However, it is my understanding that those cases are litigated when contested.
This story just goes to show you that any person who abandons the one true G-d from there life and lifestyle he will resort in doing the worst things people can do to humanity, hopefully this man will come back to G-d and his family before it's to late.....
"In this particular community, it seems, if a family feels their daughter's "honor" has been impugned, the older brother takes it on himself to beat up the young man who has been making the unwanted attention."
Makes more sense than killing his sister, which is what a Muslim would have done. That makes no sense at all to me.
And to me. If it had been my daughter that suffered unwelcome sexual advances, especially if that was merely a euphemism for rape, it would be more than side-locks and a hat that the perp would be missing, if you know what I mean, and I'm sure you do.
Actually since I'm not a knife person, the "young man" in question would likely become on intimate terms with my serious social purposes shotgun and/or the handgun designed by John Moses Browning.
Then explain why Messianic Jews can't immigrate to Israel under the Law of Return?! The state of Israel does NOT treat Christians equally.
Ashkenazim who assimilated into larger European culture usually became atheistic socialists, but still considered themselves Jews despite their abandonment of Judaism.
Sephardim who assimilated into the larger Islamic culture ceased to consider themselves Jews in any sense.
Therefore, when Israel was founded, the Ashkenazim split into secular vs. religious entities, both sides claiming to be authentic Jews, while the Sephardim were basically just religious Jews. Even secularized Sephardim in modern Israel tend to be very deferent to religious sensibilities.
So a lot of the political conflicts in Israel are between religious Sephardim and secular Ashkenazim.
Basically, the two sides have very different values.
Except that in this case I'm not sure there was any physical attention, or if there was, it was by mutual consent. All they were doing was chatting over the Internet.
In any case kidnapping and beating the crap out of this kid was wrong, and the family knew it was wrong, that was why they put up the family "bad boy" to do the dirty work.
I make sure that my daughter doesn't chat with boys on the Internet by breathing down her neck the whole time she's online.
I understand their signigificance -- now... But I (like several others, apparently) simply didn't know what the specific words "peyot" and "kippa" meant until I looked them up.
You must admit that the way they were used in the post could lead the linguistically ignorant to all sorts of speculation...
lol. I never thought of it like that.
Druze and Zoroastrians also can't immigrate to Israel under the Law of Return. The law of return applies to Jews, and Jews for Jesus are not accepted as Jews under Jewish law. Once people are citizens (whether they become citizens because they are Jews and eligible for an accelerated process under the Law of Return, or whether they are citizens on some other basis), they are treated equally under Israeli law.
Of course, there are some religious exceptions, for example the requirement that Jews can only be married by a rabbi under the aegis of the Orthodox governing group, whereas non-Jews can be married by whomever their religion authorizes to marry them.
I don't know that the fact that Rabbi Amar's family is Sephardic has anything to do with the case. I believe that I have read that the kidnapped boy also is Sephardic.
Even if he is not, I don't know that the fact that some Jews are Sephardic and some Jews are Ashkenazic is relevant to this case.
But Jews with any other religious affiliation or none at all (i.e. Bu-Jews, atheists, etc.) are allowed in under the Law of Return. It seems to me that only Messianic Jews are singled out for discrimination in this case.
If that's true, I would guess that the government, as a matter of public policy, has determined that Christianity disguised as Judaism poses a greater threat to the integrity of the Jewish people.