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Revealed: how New York's old money shuts its doors against the nouveau riche
The Telegraph ^ | 06/12/2005 | James Langton

Posted on 06/12/2005 2:48:42 PM PDT by Truthsayer20

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To: durasell
Absolutely such a thing as old Jewish money.

Some of the leading Atlanta families are Jewish. Several of the old Southern Jewish families were prominent in the Confederacy. They pretty much have entree anywhere around here, at least with the folks that matter. Some old Italian money here too, think they came here from New Orleans.

Don't even get me started on the pecking order in New Orleans. You need a scorecard.

21 posted on 06/12/2005 3:31:08 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: durasell
"For instance, a Guggenheim would have no problems getting into one of those apartments."

Is the Guggenheim family descended from German-Jewish immigrants who came to America long before the mass immigration of Eastern-European Jews? I've read somewhere that there was a lot of friction between the established German Jews and the later Eastern-European Jewish immigrants in NY and elsewhere...

22 posted on 06/12/2005 3:33:06 PM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: AnAmericanMother

In NYC the "Old Jewish Money" was mostly German Jews who arrived pre-1880s.The Old black money arrived pre-Civil War, but wasn't as snobby up on Sugar Hill.


23 posted on 06/12/2005 3:33:57 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Truthsayer20

Ha! You beat me to it. Yeah, the Old Jewish Money was horrified at the masses of immigrants. They were also different in physical appearance. The German Jews tended to be tall and patrician looking. The immigrants, because of poor diet, poverty etc., were short, squat etc.


24 posted on 06/12/2005 3:37:29 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Truthsayer20
"If we let her in," (Madonna) one board member told the New York Daily News, "we'd have to let everybody in."

Now that's funny!

25 posted on 06/12/2005 3:37:42 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: Truthsayer20

Sorry but who really gives a rat's a$$!


26 posted on 06/12/2005 3:40:36 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Truthsayer20

The Old Black Money -- Sugar Hill etc. -- tended to be very fussy and given to precise manner of dress and speech. They too were mortified by the influx of "immigrants" from the South.


27 posted on 06/12/2005 3:41:11 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: ambrose
Saw this movie at home just the other day...and was very surprised at the underlying tone of enterprise and capitalism, and even patriotism!--it was almost conservative. "We don't talk about money..." "That's because you have it."

It was a pretty good slap at effete Old Money weaklings, except that real Old Money is rural, not Manhattan as in this story. Horses and boats and dogs. Horses and boats and dogs.

28 posted on 06/12/2005 3:41:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: ambrose; dakine
You're "old money" if you inherited your wealth... "nouveau rich" if you had to work for it. Check out the Great Gatsby... this has been a long running battle.

That, however, is a pretty "nouveau rich" American definition itself.

For real snobbery, you would have to go to Europe where they would want to know since which Century had your family been inheriting wealth.

Any date after the French Revolution would be considered "nouveau rich".

29 posted on 06/12/2005 3:42:13 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Truthsayer20

I am sympathetic to these multi-millionaire co-op clubs, and their desire to keep away the Hollywood trash from their cultured environs. They have every right to enforce their own prejudices, however draconian they may seem, over potential buyers. There is a certain under-stated elegance that they are trying to preserve at these locations, and keeping out ostentatious Hollywood sluts and fashion-industry faggots is a good way to do this.


30 posted on 06/12/2005 3:42:36 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: AnAmericanMother
re: Some of the leading Atlanta families are Jewish.)))

That's true, but the leading southern Jewish families are in Chawston.

31 posted on 06/12/2005 3:42:58 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: texson66

It's interesting because it combines three NYC obsessions:

Money, history and real estate.


32 posted on 06/12/2005 3:43:25 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Truthsayer20
there was a lot of friction between the established German Jews and the later Eastern-European Jewish immigrants in NY and elsewhere

There still is some snobbery, although today it's more of a joke than anything serious. Funny line in Fully Committed on this. Not many people got it, but it was a lousy audience the night I went.

33 posted on 06/12/2005 3:44:45 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: nwrep

You don't know any of them, do you?


34 posted on 06/12/2005 3:49:05 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Gorzaloon
Easy. Do you resent the people moving in with loads of money, and no Class? Seriously, there are a lot of really vulgar people around who, for one reason or another (Fleecing widows in the dot.bomb bust, etc.) have an abundance of money, but that does not mean one would want to know them.

"I'm America's worst nightmare -- white trash with money.".....Roseanne Barr

35 posted on 06/12/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Truthsayer20

When I bought land in northwest Montana, I was definitely "looked over", since I also reside in California. Fortunately, I grew up in the upper midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin) and agreed to meet the real estate agent on the lot in mid-January...


36 posted on 06/12/2005 3:49:16 PM PDT by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: durasell
Question: How would the Horsefaced One who ran for President fit in?
37 posted on 06/12/2005 3:50:07 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: investigateworld

Old money, right background, right education, right wife...he would have been accepted if he hadn't run for president. Politicians are generally eschewed, with few exceptions. Remember, these are the same people who nixed Nixon for an apartment.


38 posted on 06/12/2005 3:52:40 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Mamzelle
Who do you think the Atlanta Jewish families are descended from, anyhow? < g >

Charleston was Charles Town when Atlanta was nonexistent (The City of Decatur, just to the east, long predates that jumped-up railroad town).

Talking about internecine feuds, the contempt of the old German Jewish families for the Eastern European immigrants has nothing on the feelings of a true old-time Atlanta M.O.T. for a recent arrival from Brooklyn!

39 posted on 06/12/2005 3:54:32 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: durasell
You don't know any of them, do you?

I know a couple that lives in this area. They have every right to dictate who they share their elevators/lobby/etc. with, just as HOAs have the right to dictate rules and covenants. I see nothing wrong in their desire to control their environment and the quality of people that move into it.

40 posted on 06/12/2005 3:58:20 PM PDT by nwrep
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