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You can get rid of all the sines and cosines, etc., and replace them with "spread" and "quadrance," or "Jennifer" and "Pamela," and I still won't understand trigonometry.
1 posted on 09/18/2005 8:41:48 AM PDT by cloud8
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Might work, after all, Liebnitz and Newton developed completely different methodologies for calculus.

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141 posted on 09/18/2005 11:40:20 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Those Poor Poor Rubber Cows)
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I hated Trig. Still do. In the 35+ years since I took Trig in high school and later college (3 times to get a "C") I have never once had any use whatsoever for what I learned. To me there's no logic or flow to Trig as it was taught to me. Maybe there is but no one ever made that clear at all.

And I have Math ability. I took Calculus 1 and got a B so I know it's not me. I sat my son down after he graduated from public school after he did horribly in Math on his SAT test and made a 19 on his first college test in a basic "refresher" (non-credit) course. I taught him how doing algebra was just like working a puzzle and how simple it can be by just figuring out the puzzle based on what you already know. This semester he's now taking Differential Equations and Calculus Based Physics. Again, someone can have the ability, but its all how its taught that determines how well someone does in Math.

But I still wouldn't know a sine from a cosine if they bit me in the butt. I do know what a tangent is. That's about it.


145 posted on 09/18/2005 11:52:27 AM PDT by DaGman
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I still won't understand trigonometry.

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Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse
Cos = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
Tan = Opposite/Adjacent

146 posted on 09/18/2005 11:53:18 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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If you want to deal with both distances and angles, you are going to have to deal with an irrational function. It might as well be the sine function.

I'm sure that this wacko system would be interesting to learn, but the best way to teach trigonometry is to eliminate the redundance in the notation. It really is no more than simple geometry and algebra with a layer of new notation and idiom. Do they still teach geometry and algebra?
147 posted on 09/18/2005 11:56:19 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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It appears to be a press release to sell a book. I'd like to see this "new" method before I decide to apply it (if that's even possible).


150 posted on 09/18/2005 12:04:50 PM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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I think Einstein said, "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." I always though that trig was simple enough as it is.
152 posted on 09/18/2005 12:08:50 PM PDT by rkhampton
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e^(i*x) = cos(x)+ i*sin(x); % Euler's Rule

where i == sqrt(-1)

Complex exponentials are the eigen (characteristic) functions of linear systems. They can have my complex exponentials when they pry them from by cold calmy calculator.


159 posted on 09/18/2005 1:31:50 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Failure is not an option; it is mandatory)
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Crap, now I'm gonna have to replace my sliderule.


172 posted on 09/18/2005 3:04:37 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can control the awesome power of the Ductalator.)
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Darn! I kind of liked Geometry and Trig.


176 posted on 09/18/2005 3:18:21 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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OK. I've got a doctorate in math, and do research in geometry, and have looked at this stuff, and I've figured out what this guy is trying to accomplish.

It's a good idea.

It is NOT a good idea to teach INSTEAD of the standard geometry trigonometry, as long as all the rest of mathematics uses the standard functions. However, it IS a good way to teach the subjects of geometry and trigonometry themselves, as long as, at some point inthe course, the STANDARD definitons are introduced and their basic properties are proved.

Basically, the "quadrance" of a line segment is the square of its standard length, and the "spread" of an angle is the square of the sine of the angle. If you make these your fundamental quantities, most formulas and computations become simpler and their logical foundations become clearer. As long as, by the end of the course, students can translate freely between the two ways of looking at things, no harm is done, and a lot of conceptual and computational obstacles are avoided.

Almost every problem in standard trigonometry which requires a numerical solution must be solved by calculators or tables with messy approximations, even though the ultimate answer can be expressed in terms of the initial data by rational operations and square roots (and square roots are much, much, easier to calculate "by hand" than sines, cosines, and tangents). So Wildberger is onto something, though he's up against millennia of pedagogic tradition.


189 posted on 09/18/2005 3:45:25 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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"These new concepts mean that trigonometric problems can be done with algebra,"

If true, this is brilliant.

202 posted on 09/18/2005 4:33:58 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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Bump for later read!

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219 posted on 09/18/2005 7:42:17 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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241 posted on 09/19/2005 6:05:01 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Some assembly required.)
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