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Full Auto Glock & 298 rounds (with 100 round drum mag)
DeGroat Tactical Armaments ^ | James DeGroat

Posted on 05/24/2006 10:48:34 PM PDT by Eagle9

Full Auto Glock & 298 rounds
Trying to Meltdown a Glock

A friend of ours trying to melt his full auto Glock
down at the Spring 2006 Knob Creek Shoot. Needless to
say the Glock still runs perfect today. You will also
see the first and only known 100 round Glock drum used
in this video.
Filmed and Edited by James DeGroat
13mb

It's the last video for download on this web page.
Other videos: 7.62mm Minigun, M249 Supressed, M60, T8 90mm Gun.

http://www.armamentsales.com/videos.htm (13 MB .wmv file)


TOPICS: Hobbies
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; betac; fullauto; glock; glock18; guns
If you're using 56k dial-up, you can view a shortened version of the Glock with drum mag at the link below. 1.81 MB.

http://video.fosfor.se/extreme-glock-18/

1 posted on 05/24/2006 10:48:37 PM PDT by Eagle9
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To: Joe Brower; Cobra64; xrp; from occupied ga

This might interest you.


2 posted on 05/24/2006 10:52:00 PM PDT by Eagle9
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To: All
To avoid confusion -- I am not James DeGroat, have never met him, and I am in no way associated with DeGroat Tactical Armaments.
3 posted on 05/24/2006 10:58:27 PM PDT by Eagle9
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To: Eagle9

Wow thats insane!


4 posted on 05/24/2006 11:27:45 PM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: Eagle9

Too cool. I was out shooting this weekend and someone nearby had two machine guns. This was out in the woods. Sounded pretty cool.


5 posted on 05/25/2006 1:12:01 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: bang_list
Have fun.

L

6 posted on 05/25/2006 1:17:35 AM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: Eagle9

I want one.

I would have liked to see a target at the other end of the 100 rnd mag. It looked a bit awkward.

If he wanted to jam it, fire it next week without cleaning or lubing.


7 posted on 05/25/2006 1:29:48 AM PDT by raynearhood ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them."- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eagle9

I'm now a believer in Glock. Amazing, simply amazing.


8 posted on 05/25/2006 4:43:16 AM PDT by chapin2500 (I wonder what it sounded like)
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To: Eagle9

Wow, I've got a Glock 19. I love it. Wish mine could do that!!


9 posted on 05/25/2006 5:08:44 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: jpsb

Interesting


10 posted on 05/25/2006 8:59:53 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: chapin2500

Before I bought my Glock, a friend showed me some videos of a guy just being brutal with his trying to destroy it.

He packed it in sand & water, baby powder & water, etc. It jammed once or twice, he would sling the gunk out of it and it would go back to firing. He dropped it off his house, drug it behind his truck and even dropped it into a field from an airplane. It fired as it should. The H&K he was comparing it to failed early, during the "let's see what gunk we can pack it in" phase. The Glock never did.


11 posted on 05/25/2006 9:23:22 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Eagle9
Glock Bump

12 posted on 05/25/2006 9:23:34 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Any gunnies out there with sufficient bandwidth will want to check this webpage out. It has awhole bunch of *eeevil*-lookin' guns burning up ammo like there's no tomorrow. $:-)

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

13 posted on 05/25/2006 9:58:19 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower
I liked the night video of Gatling Gun barrels going from red to yellow.

Never take anything except a Gatling Gun to a Gatling Gun Fight!

14 posted on 05/25/2006 10:18:38 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Joe Brower

All right! Thursday gun pr0n!

Thanks


15 posted on 05/25/2006 10:23:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Joe Brower
Holy Shizit...

That ain't right...

That 90mm looked like a heck of a lot of fun.

Very nice minigun videos. I think it'd give Texas DPS the fits if I tried to mount one of those in the bed of my truck though...

16 posted on 05/25/2006 10:26:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Joe Brower
This kind of stuff only makes me realize just how much freedom we've lost since 1968. All of that good stuf and not really available (I like the 90mm myself - it's the perfect counter to things like this)
17 posted on 05/25/2006 10:29:22 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: raynearhood
I want one.

I have two. One standard model 18 and one 18C compensated model. I want that 100rd mag, er 5 or 6 of them.


18 posted on 05/25/2006 10:30:30 AM PDT by P8riot (Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: Eagle9
There are some concerns about and discussion of the so-called

Glock "KaBoom"

factor; I have not experienced any such events, nor have I heard of any in the local gunny community. However, I have a KKM Precision barrel in my G 21. That gun is remarkably accurate (it was so even with the factory barrel) and it will feed and function with any bullet design I care to load, even if the OAL is not quite uniform from round to round. As much as I really like my Model of 1911A1, if my butt was on the line and I had to carry for work related reasons, the Glock (preferably in a caliber of .40 or larger) would probably be my choice for a sidearm.

19 posted on 05/25/2006 10:31:42 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Joe Brower
I saw this over at Mr. Completely's blog.

Nice Full auto Glock SBR.

20 posted on 05/25/2006 10:36:28 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: 45Auto
TGZ can go jump off a cliff. It's well known Dean Spier hates glocks.

Want to read some funny stuff? Click here

He got into it with someone from ARFCOM.

21 posted on 05/25/2006 10:40:39 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks for the ping about the full auto Glock. The Glock is a remarkable weapon by many standards. I was very skeptical about its design when it was introduced. I was particularly concerned about the tiny, little, stamped steel inserts that the slide rides on. I figured they would be the first parts to go - with possibly catastrophic results. I bought a used G 21 six years ago and have since put many thousands of round through it.

I changed over to a KKM Precision barrel after 6000 rounds through the factory barrel (not because the factory barrel was worn, just because I liked the look of the KKM). The darn thing just "keeps on going". There is no noticeable wear on the slide runners. I like the idea of the Glock 36 but it would be nice if Glock actually made a full size, single stack gun out of it. That would be a good rival for the 1911A1.

22 posted on 05/25/2006 10:44:14 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Eagle9

pretty kewl. Of course I hate seeing someone piss away that much ammunition.


23 posted on 05/25/2006 11:05:26 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Eagle9
Thanks for the link to the Knob Creek Vids. I lived in Kentucky until 1988 and I would go every April and October. I even keep a vid on the bottom of my homepage of a much thiner, younger DocRock blowing stuff up! LOL! Here is a link to a mini-gun vid I found some time ago that you may wish to add to your collection.

FReegards,
DocRock

24 posted on 05/25/2006 11:12:16 AM PDT by DocRock
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To: Eagle9

One thing I learned about full-auto in the few times I've dabbled is that you might as well sign your paycheck over to Cheaper Than Dirt. We had a landowner allow an MP-5 course to be held on his land for free one time "as long as you leave the brass." He got a whole lot of brass...


25 posted on 05/25/2006 11:31:30 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Set yourself up with a Dillon. I keep hoping my wife, inlaws, or parents will come through for me and get me a nice little 550B. They've even got an automatic case feed for the 550 now. Heavy shooters can make up their costs pretty quickly compared to buying off the shelf.


26 posted on 05/25/2006 11:49:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse

LOL - you're right. I have a single-lever RCBS at the moment. I can crank out a box of pistol ammo in what, about three weeks?


27 posted on 05/25/2006 11:55:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Same here. I've got it down so that I can do about 250 a weekend if the Honey-do list allows. Considering I burn through an average of 400+ on a 3 hour trip to the range, with only revolvers/lever-action/semi-auto weapons, a full auto would necessitate a better reload rig.


28 posted on 05/25/2006 1:17:33 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Joe Brower; Chode; Eaker; js1138; Dead Corpse; Darksheare

fun downloading pleasure for after work!
thanks, JB!


29 posted on 05/25/2006 1:28:50 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout
Image hosted by Photobucket.com coool...
30 posted on 05/25/2006 3:12:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Billthedrill

Were it not for NFA'34 and other such legislation, I might enjoy having a full-auto .22LR. Not sure anyone even makes such a thing, though.


31 posted on 05/25/2006 3:43:47 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: raynearhood
If he wanted to jam it, fire it next week without cleaning or lubing.

Clean? Lube? After only 298 rounds? You gotta be kidding, it's a Glock!

Seriously, I clean mine after every visit to the range. But, I have buddies that only clean theirs before major matches, and literally shoot thousands of rounds between cleaning.

32 posted on 05/25/2006 4:00:07 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Eagle9

holy cats! L0L


33 posted on 05/25/2006 5:09:06 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: 45Auto

Ive seen case blowouts in glocks kinda skeery. but I found out they where not factory loads


34 posted on 05/25/2006 5:14:25 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: FreedomPoster

Funny you should mention that. I downloaded all the videos. I'm going to make a gun p0rn cd with these and the metal storm videos for the boss.

I'll use it as a bribe to get him to let FR thru the firewall again.


35 posted on 05/25/2006 5:59:03 PM PDT by NerdDad
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To: Dead Corpse
I think it'd give Texas DPS the fits if I tried to mount one of those in the bed of my truck though.

Oh I don't know, I once saw a vintage jeep with a mount on Central in Dallas. The mount was shiny like it had seen recent use. As long as you'd paid the $200 tax, the gun would be perfectly legal, and the local troopers would soon know who you where and not worry about you. Unless you tried to hold up a bank with the thing or something.

There's a company out there that will sell you a remotely operated mount that raises up through the roof of an SUV, or from the bed of a truck. For "Executive protection", but don't you and yours deserve just as much protection in certain areas?

36 posted on 05/25/2006 6:10:51 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

"There's a company out there that will sell you a remotely operated mount that raises up through the roof of an SUV, or from the bed of a truck."

Believe it not, I have them bookmarked:
http://www.ibistek.com/rcaws.php
One day when I'm rich....


37 posted on 05/25/2006 7:05:28 PM PDT by NerdDad
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To: 45Auto

My Mod 20 remains my favorite "trouble's coming" pistol. Buy me enough time to get to a rifle or a shotgun.


38 posted on 05/25/2006 7:20:54 PM PDT by Noumenon (Yesterday's Communist sympathizers are today's terrorist sympathizers)
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To: mylife

Can you be a little more specific about the occurence? I've never seen anything of the kind with a Glock. Both myself and my brother own Glocks in .40 and 9mm and have yet to see anything but flawless action with ours and anybody shooting Glocks(well, aside from a limp wrister or two).


39 posted on 05/26/2006 12:26:12 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme (Stockpiling is a lifestyle, not a hobby... for those that love the *bang*)
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To: Freemeorkillme

The ramp on a glock is a bit more opened up than on a normal semiauto, this assists in jam free operation.

However removing the extra material at the mouth of the chamber
leaves some of the bullet casing unsuported by the chamber.
This is ok for factory loads but may result in the unsupported section of the bullrt case "blowing out" or rupturing when using hot handloaded ammo.

I am uncertain if P+ ammo would result in the same situation.

The glocks a fine weapon but is susceptable to this condition. Ive seen it happen


40 posted on 05/26/2006 12:40:14 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife

Have and do shoot +p here. No problems. As long as hand loads are recipied and built right, headspaced, etc., there should be no problems.

ps-I've read the Glockkb faq on gunzone as well prior to buying my first handgun. After enough poking around, I came to the conclusion that for one reason or another any gun can kb made by *any* manufacturor. Struck me more as anti-Gl*ck crowd scare tactics after a while. I've still yet to talk to *one* shooter or see *one* incident of a kb on a Glock of any model.


41 posted on 05/26/2006 12:53:01 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme (Yes, I love asterisks...errrr.... Astras, that is.)
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To: Freemeorkillme

From Wilkipedia:

"Coined by firearms reporter Dean Speir, a kB! (or kaBoom!) is the term used to describe the explosive malfunction of a firearm, with usually very costly, if not deadly, results. Glock pistol kB's usually damage the firearm, with minor injury to the shooter.

Controversy arose over Glock's safety standards when multiple cases of explosive malfunction occurred in Glock pistols sold to police departments in the United States. Upon pulling the trigger, the cartridge case would rupture and cause an explosion that would tear apart the gun and often send shrapnel into the shooter's face.

The cause of this malfunction was traced to issues with a purposely oversized (loose), and partially unsupported chamber in Glock's pistols chambered in .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 SIG, and 10mm. The chamber lacks full support in the rear by the feed ramp in order to facilitate feed reliability. The lack of support in the chamber, usually combined with lead bullets, reloaded, or +P (high pressure) ammunition, would cause the case to fail. The subsequent rapid expansion of gas into the chamber caused the pistols to fail, usually damaging the polymer frame and/or magazine.

Glock, in its own defense, says that in every manual that comes with their pistols there are instructions informing the shooter of the dangers of using non-factory rated ammunition, and that if the shooter uses factory loaded, jacketed ammuntion and makes sure to properly clean and care for their firearm, the firearm will function safely. Supporters also point out that kB!s occur in other firearms as well, particularly M1911 frame pistols. However, there continues to be controversy over the presence of an unsupported chamber, critics arguing that it is not necessary and is a liability for the company.

It has been purported that because of the the specific design of the polygonal rifling in the Glock, owners should not shoot non-jacketed lead ammunition in a Glock, since lead residue can quickly build up and cause a decreased bore diameter and therefore a dangerous over pressurization in the barrel and potentially create a structural failure or warping in the chamber of the barrel. You can notice a 'Bulge' in the fired case ejected from the Glock (even with Target loads)to see the result of the unsupported chamber.

Despite the controversy, Glock pistols still continue to be used by military and law enforcement agencies worldwide."

I forgot to mention that the handloads that were used when I saw the case ruptures were in fact lead 9mm.
I wouldnt call this a true kaboom. Only the case kaboomed. the pistol sustained no damage othe than the case not being extracted and the magazine being blackened


42 posted on 05/26/2006 1:39:03 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: OXENinFLA
I saw this over at Mr. Completely's blog.

Thats a cool blog. Lots and lots of good links off of it. Thanks for posting that.

43 posted on 05/27/2006 11:45:38 PM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: Freemeorkillme; mylife
Struck me more as anti-Gl*ck crowd scare tactics after a while. I've still yet to talk to *one* shooter or see *one* incident of a kb on a Glock of any model.

I've yet to see a Glock 17 in 9mm kB. However, the associated problem of *nosedive* jams [NOT *stovepipe* jams, usually caused by a limp hold on the gun] in the .40 S&W versions of the Glock have been so widespread that the Indiana State Police have discontinued their use of the >40 caliber Glocks, switching back to the 9mm Glock 17 and 19.

My suspicion: that this is in part a problem related to bullet shape and overall dimension of the loaded cartridge, plus some recent dimensional changes of internals by the manufacturer. I've traded my old Glock 17 to an unhappy sheriff's deputy who no longer has faith in his department-issued .40 Glock 22, and has the option to carry a personally-owned 9mm or .40 instead. And one of his fellow deputies similarly wishes to dump his .40 Glock, and I may pick it up and see if I can find out just what the problem...and maybe the resulting solution...is all about. But I think my first step will be a drop-in .357 SIG barrel.

44 posted on 05/30/2006 11:55:45 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: Freemeorkillme
ps-I've read the Glockkb faq on gunzone as well prior to buying my first handgun.

I hope you read the discussions in the forums at Glock Talk as well.

45 posted on 05/30/2006 11:57:41 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: P8riot
I have two. One standard model 18 and one 18C compensated model. I want that 100rd mag, er 5 or 6 of them.

My limited experience [around 3000 rounds] suggests that the 18C is indeed the way to go. The custom tower for the Beta-C MP5 magazine is a preproduction item [or was] but sufficient nosing around at the subguns.com website will put you in touch with the developer.

I have little doubt in the ability of the Glock 18 to reliably chat away at full-tilt, but the drum magazine, which needs to be scrupulously lublicated with the graphite included with the drum in its ammo pouch, is probably the weak link of the system. Not to worry: the high capacity 33-round Glock 18 magazines are stone reliable, and reasonably cheap, in the $20-$30 range, now that the infringement of the high-cap magazine ban is hopefully forever in the past.


46 posted on 05/30/2006 12:04:33 PM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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