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The gun you bought legally may be a stolen gun, new law needed to protect gun buyers.
11/30/2006 | Trteamer

Posted on 11/30/2006 5:56:24 PM PST by Trteamer

I am going to be going to the legislature to get a gun law passed an I would like to get you FReepers input and advise. It's not an anti-gun law I want to pass, but one to protect us gun buyers........


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To: Trteamer
"and since the statute of limitations ran out, the thief got away with it."

No he did not. It's against fed law to deal in stolen firearms and there's no statute of limitations. The thief violated fed law by involving himself in interstate firearms transactions where the firearm was not lawfully his. Call the ATF and have the f'er tossed in jail.

21 posted on 11/30/2006 6:38:53 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Trteamer
"The original owner has already gotten paid by his insurance company for the gun"

OK, then the insurance Co. owns it as salvage.

"If any of you have ever bought a used firearm, I hope you still have the bill of sale. It just might keep you out of jail if you are ever out in public and get checked."

That's the rule for all items. The fed forms are good enough to prove the exchange, even if you didn't have the reciept.

22 posted on 11/30/2006 6:45:25 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Cobra64
When I buy a gun in NC, the gun store calls someone (the FBI?) and reads the make, model, and serial number of the gun, and my name and address. After a couple of minutes, the gun is cleared, I write a check, and I'm out the door.

Have lived and bought gun's in several states and that has been the case in each one. I think the who question and story stinks.

23 posted on 11/30/2006 7:00:31 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Cobra64

I guess I am either older or younger. It was the story of how a bill became a law.
No worries.


24 posted on 11/30/2006 7:05:05 PM PST by Holicheese (Beerfest could be the greatest movie ever made!)
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To: Trteamer
It appears you were also given bad info about the stolen gun database. THe DOJ's NCIS contains a stolen gun file. It contains info on all reported stolen guns. That's info on all stolen guns reported to any PD in the US. See for details. You should still report this to the ATF, because fed licencing requirements only exclude lawful owners of personal firearms from the requirements. The thief was not the lawful owner when he sold it to the CO dealer. If the ATF refuses to act, fed prosecutors and the NRA should be notified to highlight their failure to enforce the law and whatever bogus claims they make for such pandering to criminal gun dealing.
25 posted on 11/30/2006 7:08:24 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Trteamer

I still think you ought to sue the dealer. A good dealer might be persuaded to do a better job before accepting a trade that might be hot. A successful suit might convince a dealer to do more than the legal minimum in accepting a trade.


26 posted on 11/30/2006 7:09:50 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Trteamer

Only buy NEW guns. Do your part to keep Firearms Companys in business.


27 posted on 11/30/2006 7:13:07 PM PST by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: spunkets

And this is why the gungrabbers want gun registration, we want to protect you honest hunters. At least you werent going to our supplier of workers that do jobs that no American will do and commit crimes no nortamericano wont commit.
Please no more laws that mention "gun" in the title.
barbra ann


28 posted on 11/30/2006 7:13:35 PM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: spunkets

It was the Greely police detective that told me the the statute of limitations ran out and he was closing the case. It may just be laziness on his part. It is true however that in Colorado the dealers are not required to check the background of a gun when it is traded in.

The gun was a cheap Mossberg, so it's not worth my spending a lot of energy on the whole thing. Don't worry folks, I give up, I'll not give the anti-gunners anything to grab on to. I do think that I will have another talk with the gun dealer, he owes me.


29 posted on 11/30/2006 7:14:42 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Trteamer
"Firearms dealers in Colorado are not required by law to check the serial number of a gun when they take it in on trade."

DOJ's stolen gun file does exist though, so the dealer was negligent in not checking. It may not be worth it for you to sue, but that means you'd win. Since the dealer failed to check the database, he's open to prosecution for dealing in stolen merchandise and unlawful firearm transactions. Any criminal case here may be weak, but not a civil case.

30 posted on 11/30/2006 7:16:33 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Petruchio
Only buy NEW guns. Do your part to keep Firearms Companys in business.

AMEN!

31 posted on 11/30/2006 7:17:20 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Trteamer

I would advise no more gun laws. No more.


32 posted on 11/30/2006 7:17:39 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: spunkets

I'm glad I posted this for all you FReepers to give input. Frankly I don't know what to do at this point, but it certainly is educational.


33 posted on 11/30/2006 7:21:10 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Cobra64; Holicheese

I knew what he was talking about.


34 posted on 11/30/2006 7:22:11 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Trteamer

I think you are right there needs to be a law such as you suggest. I am also puzzles by a couple of things:

1. Why would you get someone else's gun back? Wouldn't it go to the rightful owner?

2. There is not statute of limitations in getting one's stolen property back is there?

2. Wouldn't you need to as others have suggested to seek recourse against the firm that sold you a stolen gun?


35 posted on 11/30/2006 7:22:41 PM PST by JLS
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To: Trteamer
"I am going to be going to the legislature to get a gun law passed an I would like to get you FReepers input and advise."

Off topic, but I'm the guy who screens all department memos and official communications at the office. You should have said "I am going to the legislature" instead of what you said. You also misspelled and, but the spell checker didn't get it because it looked like 'an'.

I'm not at all trying to be the grammar police, like some a$$holes on here, but if you want legislators to take you seriously, you need to make it a habit to read what you have typed before you hit that send button.

Thanks for looking out for us gun owners :)

36 posted on 11/30/2006 7:27:27 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Trteamer
The statute of limitations may have run out for a CO crime and who knows for the MT crime. The most important, the fed crime is still there. The det isn't a fed, that's why the ATF really should be notified. The only reason for not doing so would be sympathy for the worthless ass of a gun thief.

"I give up, I'll not give the anti-gunners anything to grab on to."

from the google search I looked at chuckie the smuck from NY has been pushing for the creation of a fed stolen gun database which already exists. His sneaky action contains registration of all firearms. He's just using the fundamental lie about this to get that result.

If the ATF is notified and fails to prosecute this thief it would prove outright deception and support for thieves, grabbers, chuckie the shmuck, and their bogus propaganda mat'l. If the ATF acts, it's shows they're not using their prosecutorial discretion to coddle to gun thieves and grabbers.

37 posted on 11/30/2006 7:29:14 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Holicheese

especially in english grammar it is evident.

that is one of my favorites along with conjunction junction... got the videos and cds ... too cool...

teeman


38 posted on 11/30/2006 7:31:04 PM PST by teeman8r
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To: JLS

I've learned this much is such a short time her on FR:

The rightful owner said he would give the gun back to me if the Montana Sherriff ever sends it back. BUT the gun actually is the property of the insurance comapany since he was paid for it.

The statute of limitations was a bunch of BS from the police detective that closed the case.

I could seek recourse, but he gun was worth far less than what a lawyer would charge.

I guess I will just rack it all up to a hard lesson learned. The gun dealer I bought it from runs a good long term family business here and I don't think he really means to sell stolen guns. He is just lazy and the law is lax.


39 posted on 11/30/2006 7:31:56 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: KoRn

LOL! Grammer police must have a ball here on FR, people get passionate about what they type and it doesn't always come out right.


40 posted on 11/30/2006 7:35:40 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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