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Israeli Intelligence Agency (Mossad) warned CIA of attacks - CIA did not heed warning
Jerusalem Post ^ | 9/17/01 | Douglas Davis

Posted on 09/17/2001 6:29:50 AM PDT by truthandlife

Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday.

The paper said the Israeli officials specifically warned their counterparts in Washington that "large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent." They offered no specific information about targets, but they did link the plot to Afghanistan-based terrorist Osama bin Laden, and they told the Americans there were "strong grounds" for suspecting Iraqi involvement.

A US administration official told the paper that it was "quite credible" that the CIA did not heed the Mossad warning: "It has a history of being over-cautious about Israeli information." But the official noted that "if this is true, then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll."

In another development, the Sunday Times reported that an account at a branch of Barclays Bank in the London district of Notting Hill was used by a suspected bin Laden lieutenant to finance and disseminate Bin Laden's fatwas (religious rulings) and to maintain contacts with various elements in bin Laden's global network.

The account was held by Saudi dissident Khalid al-Fawwaz, who is currently being held in custody awaiting the outcome of extradition proceedings to the United States on charges of conspiring with bin Laden to murder Americans.

The Barclays account is understood to form part of a web of bank accounts and front companies used by bin Laden to underwrite his Al Qaida terror network.

Court documents link Fawwaz to a Bin Laden fatwa calling for the death of American civilians "anywhere in the world they can be found," which was faxed directly to him by Bin Laden.

Fawwaz was personally appointed by bin Laden to set up and run the London-based Advice and Reformation Committee. The organization was ostensibly dedicated to war-relief work, but British and US officials now believe it was in fact a component in Bin Laden's terror network.

Fawwaz is also thought to have been directly involved in the terrorist cell that perpetrated the simultaneous bombings of the US embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi in 1998. More than 200 people died in those attacks.


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1 posted on 09/17/2001 6:29:50 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
WANTED FOR MASS MURDER..CLICK
2 posted on 09/17/2001 6:33:06 AM PDT by newsperson999
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To: truthandlife
The "freedom versus security" tradeoff is a false choice. 

The WTC attack did not occur because Americans have too much freedom. 

It occurred because:

  1. U.S. border/immigration policy (or selective enforcement thereof) allowed known terrorists to enter and remain in the country while attending flight school.

  2. The terrorists were able to gain access to the cockpits of the hijacked aircraft.

The fact that William Cohen, Dick Gephardt and other statists propound that the only solution to terrorism is to "trade freedom for security" betrays the reality that their true agenda is to curtail freedom.

3 posted on 09/17/2001 6:33:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: truthandlife
200 terrorists and the US is talking about 50 in this operation. If three other shoes are ready to drop, somebody in Washington had g..damn better well be listening now.
4 posted on 09/17/2001 6:39:24 AM PDT by Fulbright
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To: The Documentary Lady
Israel has not been a reliable intelligence ally in the past.

What!? They have been a great intelligence source and Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. There have been many terror attacks that have been thwarted in the U.S. and abroad because of Mossad.

6 posted on 09/17/2001 6:59:48 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
Makes you wonder what good the alphabet agencies are when they get info like this and, apparently, IGNORE it.
(Although some of them look pretty tough when they throw down with American civilians...)
7 posted on 09/17/2001 7:02:34 AM PDT by freefly
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To: truthandlife
You're absolutely right about the Mossad helping to foil many terroist attacks, but they're not exactly a disinterested by-stander, either. And considering what they were almost willing to do to themselves to help Bubba win a Peace Prize, one has to wonder if there are any of those folks still around. What Reagan said about the Soviets works here, too: Trust, but verify.
8 posted on 09/17/2001 7:08:39 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You forgot one:

3. No one is really all that afraid of US. No Respect.

9 posted on 09/17/2001 7:08:54 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: truthandlife
Palestinian Killed in Gaza Firefight, More Than a Dozen Wounded in Clashes With Israeli Troops
By Karin Laub Associated Press Writer
Published: Sep 17, 2001

JERUSALEM (AP) - Fierce gun battles erupted in the West Bank and Gaza Strip on Monday, leaving one Palestinian dead and 15 wounded, including five boys. In one clash, Israeli tank shells hit a mosque, a kindergarten and a rescue vehicle, witnesses said. Four Israeli soldiers were also wounded in the fighting.

The violence came as Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Secretary of State Colin Powell he would permit high-level truce talks with the Palestinians only after 48 hours of complete calm. Sharon said he doubted Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was making a serious effort to stop the fighting.

10 posted on 09/17/2001 7:17:04 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: PatrioticAmerican
You forgot one:

3. No one is really all that afraid of US. No Respect.

That wouldn't matter if we had

  1. kept known terrorists out of the country
  2. had not let known terrorists attend US flight schools
  3. had strong, securely-locked doors on cockpits

11 posted on 09/17/2001 7:17:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: PatrioticAmericanAn Archy,archy,Inge_CAV,leadpenny,backhoe,Travis McGee,OKCSubmariner
Welll,the proof is in the pudding,isnt it?

Did it happen or not?

Yes, it came true!

So please,US dont tell me you need more "human intelligence, its been decimated, our ability to use unsavory",yada, yada!

The intelligence is and has been on the web for years,and you are tooo lazy,stupid and treasonus to use it!

12 posted on 09/17/2001 7:17:57 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Except for these same terrorists could have boarded a plane in England.
13 posted on 09/17/2001 7:19:23 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The real problem is we must rely upon these scumbag politicians to make the FBI and CIA worth their salt. What a pathetic situation. My family's safety is in the hands of these nincompoops.

Our first item of business is to arm and train every male adult in America, and recognize that a armed civilian population is the greatest deterrent to a potential terrorist offensive in any part of our country.

Joe American Citizen has always been the best protector of America. We don't need to adopt a police state mentality to make America safe. This is our individual responsibility, and I'm not passing it on to some government thug SWAT team who neither respect my family, or our freedoms.

14 posted on 09/17/2001 7:23:30 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Except for these same terrorists could have boarded a plane in England.

It still wouldn't have mattered if the cockpit was secure from intrusion. We don't need draconian solutions when common-sense ones will do.

15 posted on 09/17/2001 7:27:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: PatrioticAmerican
They did not want to board on planes in England, because they wanted the planes to be fully loaded with fuel.Besides, the secuity on intl. flights is better.
16 posted on 09/17/2001 7:28:51 AM PDT by Rudolph
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Now you can see why Sharon doubted Arafat's will to peace all the time. And don't forget the palestinian's reaction on 11th events.
17 posted on 09/17/2001 7:31:54 AM PDT by Rudolph
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To: Rudolph
If the CIA and FBI officials can't protect America, put them in charge of some agency like the Post Office where they can't do any more damage than delayed mail.
18 posted on 09/17/2001 7:45:31 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Rudolph
" the secuity on intl. flights is better.", actually, it is not. These people had perfectly valid boarding passes and their weapons could have been from in-flight meals on itl flights.
19 posted on 09/17/2001 7:48:20 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Betty Jo
Thanks for the flag. The only thing I can mention in their defense is that they do get a lot of conflicting reports- of course, you'd think they would take the warnings of an ally seriously!
20 posted on 09/17/2001 9:13:25 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Ciexyz
Let's not blame the FBI or CIA for the mess they are in.

In 1993 all respectable FBI agents, worth their salt were downgraded by Msssssssssreno. In 1995 Mr. Deutsch passed a "rule" that CIA agents had to be practically seminary graduates. This is the same Deutsch who downloaded all the CIA sensitive information he could, into his un-secure computer.

Now that our President Bush is in place, we can expect the FBI to be upgraded to where it was before the reign of x42 and #97.

The CIA will be allowed to recruit every expert "invisible" person from what ever country they can get. It will cost money, and it will not happen in a day.

21 posted on 09/17/2001 9:20:46 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Have your ever flyed to Israel?
22 posted on 09/17/2001 10:27:54 AM PDT by Rudolph
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To: truthandlife
Something to not lose sight of here; pretty much every security agency gets dozens and dozens of "warnings" and "alerts" each day. It's not as if they are sitting around flipping cards into a hat with the teletype unplugged.

The secure installations I've worked at recieved cautions, alerts, warnings and threats on a regular basis.

There's an almost horoscope like quality to them, they're often so vague and numerous that no matter what happens or where, you'd be able to sift through the advisories and find something that makes you say "Daym!"

23 posted on 09/17/2001 10:43:12 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: BlueDogDemo,Wallaby,LSJohn,Judge Parker,golitely,Uncle Bill,t-shirt,thinden,Fred Mertz,rwz,
BUMP
24 posted on 09/17/2001 11:01:17 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: El Sordo
.... There's an almost horoscope like quality to them, they're often so vague and numerous that no matter what happens or where, you'd be able to sift through the advisories and find something that makes you say "Daym!"...

Please don't confuse folks with actual real world situations ..... it will give them headaches and could slow them down in searching out scapegoats ! Regards

25 posted on 09/17/2001 11:31:48 AM PDT by Little John
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To: truthandlife
We must fire TENET. A total incompetent Clintonite.
26 posted on 09/17/2001 11:41:42 AM PDT by rebdov
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To: truthandlife
You know why the Mossad is not 'reliable'? Because if you accept the Jews' evidence it shows that your people haven't been doing their jobs. Well, the CIA always does its job, ergo the Israelis are prevaricating.
27 posted on 09/17/2001 11:44:07 AM PDT by rebdov
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To: Little John
Nevertheless, I must try.

When the emotions surge and the saliva begins to fly it is all too easy to overlook details.

28 posted on 09/17/2001 12:24:58 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Rudolph
Learn english, the word is "flown" not "flyed". I guess you are from Isreal? And, yes, I have, and, no, the security is symbolic, but it doesn't stop terorrist. It certainly would not have stopped these terrorists. I repeat: These terrorists used valid boarding passes, boarded with or without legal knives, and did nothing, absofreeping nothing, illegal before committing their crimes. So, how would any other security have stopped this?
29 posted on 09/17/2001 3:12:54 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: truthandlife
I appreciate your posts, but the title you gave is figer pointing/laying blame with the USA.

How do you KNOW the CIA did NOT heed the warning? How do you KNOW they were not working on it??

Let's report without twisting or editorializing the title of someone elses article.

30 posted on 09/20/2001 4:50:25 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Are you sure it's not flewed? That's the way I learnded it. ;)
31 posted on 09/20/2001 4:58:53 AM PDT by Tom_Busch
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To: Robert Drobot
"Our first item of business is to arm and train every male adult in America, and recognize that a armed civilian population is the greatest deterrent to a potential terrorist offensive in any part of our country.

Joe American Citizen has always been the best protector of America. We don't need to adopt a police state mentality to make America safe. This is our individual responsibility, and I'm not passing it on to some government thug SWAT team who neither respect my family, or our freedoms."

Very well said!!! I wish every adult in America could read that and take it to heart!!!

I read a few days ago that both the Israeli AND the French intelligence agencies informed the CIA of this pending disaster at least a week before it happened. (I can't seem to find the exact URL now where I read that.)

32 posted on 09/20/2001 5:40:11 AM PDT by Independent Lady
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To: Independent Lady
So they were warned that something, sometime was going to happen somewhere. They still couldn't have prevented it. Should they have shot the 2nd plane down over Manhattan and only killed the people on the ground and/or in their homes and shops? Those who trained, financed, supported and carried out this atrocity are to blame. This isn't a movie. The good guys don't always win, but we need to try.
33 posted on 09/20/2001 8:54:32 AM PDT by Jtowner
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Do you or anyone else know how many of these Rats got into the country when Scumbag and the RATS allowed free entry to criminals and grifters right before the elections in 1996?
34 posted on 09/20/2001 9:03:06 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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35 posted on 09/20/2001 11:18:41 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: truthandlife
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36 posted on 09/21/2001 7:23:27 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: truthandlife; aristeides; OKCSubmariner
fyi
37 posted on 12/10/2001 3:03:00 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; Wallaby; Uncle Bill; honway; BlueDogDemo; roughrider; Nancie Drew...
From reply #19 for the current FR thread " 2 [3] MORE SEPT. 11 HIJACKERS TIED TO IRAQ (Powell, EU, China Try to Stop Action Against Sadam) ":

The source for the 200 Taliban (ALQaeda) members being trained by Iraq starting in July 2001 (versus April 2001-my error)is at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/535629/posts

Iraq trains Bin Laden’s Men in Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction

Source: DEBKAfile

Published: 29 September 2001 Author: unknown

Posted on 9/29/01 8:59 AM Pacific by Gritty

29 September: Increasing intelligence reports are reaching DEBKAfile that the 200 Taliban fighters reaching North Iraqi in mid-July were in fact members of Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda. They came in response to an Iraqi offer to train Al Qaeda terrorist personnel in the use of chemical and biological warfare weapons.....

I realize that there are skeptics about Debka but I have heard and read this same report several other places unrelated to Debka. I am pretty sure I heard and saw Adm Woolsey talk about it on a Frontline piece on Iraq last month.

In reply #20 for the thread RedBloodedAmerican astutely pointed out:

That is why the MOSSAD told the USA Govt that there were 200 members of the Al Queda terrorists on our soil. Remember Ashcroft saying they were looking for about 200 people???

39 posted on 12/10/2001 3:18:45 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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40 posted on 12/10/2001 3:36:13 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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41 posted on 12/10/2001 5:30:15 PM PST by Chapita
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42 posted on 12/11/2001 7:44:18 AM PST by ChaseR
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43 posted on 12/11/2001 7:44:51 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: truthandlife

I hereby warn the FBI and the CIA that something bad is going to happen one of these days. It will involve actual Bad Guys doing something bad.

OK folks, you saw it. If it happens now, it's their fault.


44 posted on 12/11/2001 7:47:16 AM PST by Nick Danger
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To: ChaseR
I wouldnt be surprised.Clinton so emasculated the security,intelligence and military services to the point that they probablty were afraid to act on the information provided.
45 posted on 12/11/2001 7:47:45 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Tom_Busch
Are you sure it's not flewed? That's the way I learnded it. ;)

I would say that your education was...... Flawed!

47 posted on 12/11/2001 7:52:30 AM PST by skateman
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To: truthandlife
Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday.

What major operation??? Still to occur??

48 posted on 12/11/2001 7:54:40 AM PST by Surge-on
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To: Nick Danger
The Mossad gave specifics.

Do you recall early, after the WTC and Pentagon attacks, Ashcroft and others saying they were looking for approximately 200 members of sleeper cell groups in the USA?

49 posted on 12/11/2001 7:56:05 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: cardinal4
"...were afraid to act on the information provided."

I've wondered about that many times over the last 5-6 years.
???
Bttt

50 posted on 12/11/2001 8:13:54 AM PST by ChaseR
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