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Unfree Republic: Thread II
Lewrockwell.com ^ | September 24, 2001 | Jeff Elkins

Posted on 09/24/2001 4:24:58 PM PDT by Rebeckie

Unfree Republic

by Jeff Elkins

Let the stench of Middle East flesh reach Paradise reassuring them that these filth have gone to hell permanently."

The quote above is representative of many posted on the FreeRepublic.com site in the wake of the WTC attack, and unfortunately its like is not uncommon elsewhere. Americans are angry, predictably and rightly so, but just as predictable are the side effects. As always, that righteous anger will be accepted as a beloved gift by the state and molded into tools of oppression.

It’s funny how that works. Every single state-sponsored war the US has become embroiled in has resulted in an inexorable increase in the power of the state.

It’s also funny that it’s always assumed that human behavior in the past has no relation to how we behave today. Why those people were old-fashioned, we’re modern, educated, etc.

The beginning of this repeating pattern has already become public with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. It has an ominous sound, that name, almost Germanic. (I can’t wait to see the uniforms.)

On April 13, 1917, days after our entry into World War One, President Wilson created the Committee on Public Information to promote the war domestically while publicizing American war aims abroad. Bush has replicated that step, with this new cabinet-level department.

Under the leadership of journalistic muckraker George Creel, the CPI was a propaganda apparatus unparalleled at that point in world history. The CPI functioned as a de facto public censor, vetting nearly all published material about the war and helping to draft legislation such as the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. In the months prior to our entry into the war and especially after our entry when they were nearly criminal, antiwar viewpoints were rarely heard.

The same pattern emerges now: Penn. Gov. Tom Ridge will be President Bush’s George Creel, and just as in those dim days of yesteryear, he’ll have plenty of willing civilian accomplices. And after all, there’s so much more to censor -- Ridge will need all the help he can get. In seeking warriors for the front line of Internet censorship, Ridge needs look no farther than FreeRepublic.com. The atmosphere there is now poisonous.

Again, look back to Wilson's CPI. It encouraged businesses to spy on their employees, parents to spy on their children, children to spy on their parents, neighbors to spy on neighbors, and above all to report "disloyal," pro-German sentiments. State authorities banned the teaching of German in schools and changed German street names. As the madness mounted, those regarded as pro-German were hounded from their jobs, pressured to change their German names, beaten, and in a few cases lynched. Almost all cases of violence, while incited by the state, were carried out by "civilians" in the grip of war hysteria.

Along with this anti-German hysteria, Congress passed several measures designed to rigidly suppress criticism of the war. In particular, the Espionage Act, passed in June 1917, specified a fine of $10,000 or twenty years in prison for "whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully obstruct the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, and whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag."

The Espionage Act was very popular in its day. It was cheered on by mindless lemmings under the influence of state propaganda. Their great grandchildren now inhabit FreeRepublic.com, viciously attacking anyone who questions the wisdom of the state.

Our Congress is considering similar measures under the rubric of "anti-terrorism," and as it was at the beginning of the 20th Century, the FreeRepublic lemmings of the 21st are cheering the morally corrupt politicians along.

It’s not just message posters on the site. The management of FreeRepublic has instituted a "loose lips sink ships" campaign, with new moderators patrolling the forum to delete posts that in their opinion are detrimental to the "war effort."

The FreeRepublic mission statement claims "We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America."

Sanctimonious hogwash. Everything old is new again – the keyboard warriors of FreeRepublic would be right at home in 1917 shilling for Wilson.

September 24, 2001


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Here is the start of Thread II...
1 posted on 09/24/2001 4:24:58 PM PDT by Rebeckie
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To: Rebeckie
Let me reply before this gets pulled. . .

Did your first post of this get yanked?. . .

2 posted on 09/24/2001 4:27:54 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Oops! Bold. . .

OFF! ! !

3 posted on 09/24/2001 4:29:00 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Rebeckie
btt
4 posted on 09/24/2001 4:31:56 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Rebeckie
The Fighting Side Of Me
Merle Haggard

I hear people talkin' bad
About the way we have to live here, in this country
Harpin' on the wars we fight
An' gripin' 'bout the way things oughta be.

An' I don't mind 'em switchin' sides an'
Standin' up for things they believe in
When they're runnin' down my country, man
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down the way of life
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.

If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'
If you're runnin' down my country man
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!

I read about some squirrely guy
Who claims, he just don't believe in fightin'
And I wonder just how long
The rest of us can count on bein' free.

They love our milk an' honey
But they preach about some other way of livin'
When they're runnin' down my country, hoss
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down our way of life
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.

If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'
When you're runnin' down my country, man
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down our way of life
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.

If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'
If you're runnin' down my country, man
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!

5 posted on 09/24/2001 4:32:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
From Merle Haggard's Greatest Hits, posted to FR a couple months ago by jrherreid, here: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5e3a106c3d.htm

Thought it appropriate to post again.

If you're runnin' down our website, Hoss,
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

6 posted on 09/24/2001 4:37:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
I (like most Americans) never heard of Lew Rockhead until someone started posting his drivel on your website...
7 posted on 09/24/2001 4:39:08 PM PDT by motzman
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To: Rebeckie
Is LewRockwell.com the place where male writers post who were not cute and sexy enough to be hired by Raimondo at Antiwar.com?
8 posted on 09/24/2001 4:43:56 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Jim Robinson
Good song.
9 posted on 09/24/2001 4:45:26 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Jim Robinson
Merle never misses a beat...
10 posted on 09/24/2001 4:48:21 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"Look at the past 25 years — we went downhill, and if people don't realize it, they don't have their [expletive] eyes on ... In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there's available to an average citizen in America right now... God almighty, what have we done to each other?"
-- Merle Haggard
11 posted on 09/24/2001 4:50:42 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Roscoe
I like the song, too, but hope that this isn't a hint that we have to check our critical thinking or nonpopular opinions at the door. Are we supposed to support any and all plans that come from this administration? You know darn well that every thought that would come out of clinton' mouth would be examined and debated and challenged by freepers. Is this administrtion immune because it's W and not algore?

Drinking koolaide makes me nauseous.

12 posted on 09/24/2001 4:51:05 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Jim Robinson
Recent events have me thinking about another great Merle song, "Are The Good Times Really Over (I Wish A Buck Was Still Silver)," which was written after four years of the Carter administration:

I wish a buck was still silver, and it was back when the country was strong,
Back before Elvis, and before the Vietnam war came along,
Before the Beatles and yesterday, when a man could still work, and still would,
is the best of the free life behind us now,
and Are The Good Times Really Over For Good.
Are we rollin' downhill like a snowball headed for hell.
With no kind of chance for the flag or the liberty bell.
I wish a Ford or a Chevy, would still last ten years like they should.
Is the best of the free life behind us now,
And Are The Good Times Really Over For Good.
I wish Coke was still cola, and a joint was a bad place to be.
It was back before Nixon lied to us all on TV.
Before Microwave ovens, when a girl could still cook, and still would,
Is the best of the free life behind us now,
and Are The Good Times Really Over For Good.
Stop rollin' downhill like a snowball headed for hell.
Standup for the flag, and let's all ring the liberty bell.
Let's make a Ford and a Chevy that'll still last ten years like they should.
The best of the free life is still yet to come,
And the good times ain't really over for good.

13 posted on 09/24/2001 4:51:14 PM PDT by Romestamo
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To: Jim Robinson
LewRockwell.com is a running joke around here. Being insulted by them has to feel as good as being insulted by jesse jackson.

Keep up the great work and thanks for the song.

14 posted on 09/24/2001 4:53:05 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: Jim Robinson
Freedom for those who have fought for it,
has a flavor the protected shall never savor.

Don't know who wrote it, but sure applies.
spartan

15 posted on 09/24/2001 4:54:19 PM PDT by spartan68
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To: sendtoscott
And it's only going to get worse as all sides over react.
16 posted on 09/24/2001 4:54:31 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Rebeckie
Thanks for the new thread. Us dial-up folks were having a time with the other one.

LR.com bump.

17 posted on 09/24/2001 4:54:37 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Eagle Eye
Drinking koolaide makes me nauseous.

Then don't drink it.

18 posted on 09/24/2001 4:55:01 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Rebeckie
As a conservative, I am naturally wary of concentrations of power and the Homeland Security stuff scares me.
20 posted on 09/24/2001 4:59:26 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: Rebeckie
The beginning of this repeating pattern has already become public with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. It has an ominous sound, that name, almost Germanic. (I can’t wait to see the uniforms.)

No uniforms. Just armbands.

21 posted on 09/24/2001 5:02:42 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Rebeckie
BUMP
22 posted on 09/24/2001 5:10:15 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Pietro
LewRockwell.com is an oasis of sanity in a desert of madness.
23 posted on 09/24/2001 5:12:17 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
Which means by no means that I agree with every thought of every poster on that site.
24 posted on 09/24/2001 5:13:45 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius, RjayneJ
LewRockwell.com is an oasis of sanity in a desert of madness.

Headzup! Quote of the day nomination here.

26 posted on 09/24/2001 5:21:36 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Rebeckie
Lew Rockwell, of whom I am a fan, or used to be, doesn't understand his own philosophy, libertarianism.

Defense of Liberty

27 posted on 09/24/2001 5:23:05 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
Rockwell never recovered from his support for, first, Gene McCarthy and then Spiro Agnew. He is hardly the Libertarian he claims. Truth be told he is an anarchist. Truth really be told he is a gadfly anarchist with the following of 48 students at Auburn University.
28 posted on 09/24/2001 5:34:02 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: BigJim
The really scary part: NO EXPIRATION DATE.

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-261

Section 6. This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-262

Section 4. I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency, and I hereby place the National Guard under the direction of the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency.

29 posted on 09/24/2001 5:39:34 PM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Jim Robinson, all
Now FReepers need to be honest here. Back during Clinton's Balkins boondoggle (which remains ongoing at this time) a lot of us read, agreed with and posted material from LewRockwell.com. This was because we did not believe we had any business being involved in the Balkin's conflict and felt (in my case, still feel) that it was a total wag-the-dog exercise of Bubba's part.

Now, we also need to admit that there is and has been a great deal of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, jingoistic rhetoric floating around in various posts in the forum these days.

A lot of that is understandable. We all need to vent anger on occassion.

But, while I don't accept and strongly disagree with the characterizations of FReepers made in this article, I think he is pointing out something that is significant. I am also a bit uneasy about how fast some of us have switched from sullen suspicion to lock-step approval of the Federal government here. It wasn't that long ago when FEMA was a bigger boogie-man on the forum than Saddam Hussien.

Yes this is a war. Yes, we need to support our Government and most definitely our Servicemembers as they fight it. But we also need to calm down and remember that we are not slaves or subjects to a crown, and that we have an obligation to keep a close eye on what our government is doing to ensure that it is acting in the best interests of the American republic. This is an obligation of citizenship that cannot be shirked at any time if the nation is to remain free.

30 posted on 09/24/2001 5:47:34 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: TexasKamaAina
>As a conservative, I am naturally wary of concentrations of power and the Homeland Security stuff scares me.

That's what bothers me most out of everything that has been said and done, that some are willing to give up a few more rights to feel safe. They may give up those rights to feel safe from an overseas or terrorist threat, but they become less safe and less protected from the government.

31 posted on 09/24/2001 5:52:51 PM PDT by texlok
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To: Rebeckie
...As I see it, FR is not a philosophy, it's politics. Politics, left or right, tend to bring out the sanctimonius. Right or wrong, politics will give us a passionate debate. Listen, read, think, calm down, try to respond with a little bit of philosophic tolerance...
32 posted on 09/24/2001 5:55:21 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: Rebeckie
I have a friend whose wife once saw Lew Rockwell's picture right before they went to bed. Told me that he thought they would be "pitching woo", but his wife said she could not get "that creepy guy's face out of her mind"... As a result, they did not engage in "pitching woo"... I laugh every time I see Lew Rockwell's picture. He's a bit over the top and he also causes marital strife...
33 posted on 09/24/2001 6:11:30 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Ronin
we also need to admit that there is and has been a great deal of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, jingoistic rhetoric floating around in various posts in the forum these days.

Lew needs to understand that unlike his site, we are a forum. I wonder what would have happened if he opened his site to comments from readers. In fact, I know that, because I posted from him at least once and participated in many threads that followed his articles. Lew is good in staking out some least popular position, usually with a libertarian bend, and making a case for it. On this war, the unpopular does not translate to the right.

34 posted on 09/24/2001 6:12:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan; Aurelius, RjayneJ
"LewRockwell.com is a cesspool of madness in meadow of sanity."

Headzup! Quote of the day nomination here.

35 posted on 09/24/2001 6:17:36 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Fury

Ideologue

37 posted on 09/24/2001 6:19:11 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
No, no. I did not want to "pitch woo" with my neighbor. It was him and his wife. But I will have a beer, after looking at that mug... LOL
38 posted on 09/24/2001 6:22:45 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Ronin
Damned rights this is war. And the FReepers have a right to be pissed! We were attacked! On our own soil! Thousands of our countrymen were killed by a foreign power. The bombed out buildings of NYC and the Pentagon are war zones. The enemy was aiming to knockout the Whitehouse, Airforce One, Camp David, the Capitol, the Pentagon our financial centers and who knows what else? And they came dangerously close to accomplishing their goal. Had they succeeded and killed our Pres, Vice Pres, leaders of Congress, our military chain of command and our financial centers, the USA would've completely collapsed. This is NOT the Balkins. This is America defending her own soil and her own blood. And we are still under attack. The terrorists can strike anywhere at anytime. No one will know where or when or with what they will attack next. The federal government clearly has the Constitutional responsibility and authority to defend the nation when it is attacked and that's exactly what President Bush and his people are doing. I am beginning to think that if the Libertarians do not have the intestinal fortitude to defend the nation when deliberately attacked by foreign powers, then we should thank God and pray that they will NEVER have sufficient numbers to get elected to any meaningful office.
39 posted on 09/24/2001 6:24:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: texlok
...You and Ronin speak for me, also...
40 posted on 09/24/2001 6:27:27 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: Jim Robinson
I am beginning to think that if the Libertarians do not have the intestinal fortitude to defend the nation when deliberately attacked by foreign powers, then we should thank God and pray that they will NEVER have sufficient numbers to get elected to any meaningful office.

Hey...

Watch that broad brush buddy.

Rockwell doesn't speak for all libertarians, and neither does Harry Browne.

I have been ashamed of both in these past weeks.

41 posted on 09/24/2001 6:28:54 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Aurelius
"LewRockwell.com is an oasis of sanity in a desert of madness."

Camel dung does not make an oasis.

42 posted on 09/24/2001 6:32:12 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Cultural Jihad

43 posted on 09/24/2001 6:32:29 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Jim Robinson
...With all due respect, libertarianism is not a doctrinare phylosophy...
44 posted on 09/24/2001 6:33:49 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: OWK
Nice to be on the same side for a change.
45 posted on 09/24/2001 6:33:51 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: OWK
OWK, thanks from this non-libertarian for drawing a line in the sand.
46 posted on 09/24/2001 6:35:02 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Jim Robinson
JimRob - was FR down earlier today for re-construction?
47 posted on 09/24/2001 6:36:14 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: gargoyle
...With all due respect, libertarianism is not a doctrinare phylosophy...

Of course it is. Take a poll of any and all libertarians, and I'll bet that 99 out of 100 will say that Arlington National Cemetary is socialist, and needs to be privatized, and why should others be forced to pay for the upkeep of the mortal remains of others, yada, yada.

48 posted on 09/24/2001 6:39:20 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: dighton; OWK
OWK, thanks from this non-libertarian for drawing a line in the sand.

Amen. He's not alone. There are many stepping up to the plate and exhibiting fine patriotism, such as TKEman and others.

49 posted on 09/24/2001 6:40:51 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Free Republic was not down. There was an error in the DNS tables that caused some areas of the country to be temporarily FReeper impaired.....

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3bae2b2e2fcd.htm

50 posted on 09/24/2001 6:43:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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