Things Seen and Unseen

Crisis Magazine ^ | 8.29.01 | Sam Torode

[patent]

Great, thanks.

[Askel5]

I think if you fail to use semi-colons it may be problematic. I tried to reply to two folks earlier and couldn't see the extra handle until I separated them thus.

Must be one of those things "Seen AND Unseen" ... lol =)

[jobim]

I respect you as a Fellow Traveller in the prolife movement. I believe in the depth of your convictions on this score.

Here comes the "but": aren't you curious as to why contraception was prohibited by all Protestant denominations until the Lambeth Conference of 1930?

Here's what the Catechism states: "So the Church, which is 'on the side of life,' teaches that 'it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life.' 'This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseperable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.'"

When Protestants reject the excluding of God's role in all marriage acts, a more profound understanding of God as the author of life will commence. As it stands, you actively exclude God when you choose to (as opposed to NFP which is simply calculated restraint), and you are in disobedience. But of course I realize this is based on your misunderstanding, and hence my elation at the title of the book by the author in question.

I salute everything else you say!

[Aquinasfan]

This happened to my wife and I. We were expecting the question. My wife said, "I don't want amniocentisis. We'll take what we get."

The nurse turned her back to us, wiped her eyes, and turned back around with her eyes still wet. I guess she doesn't hear that too often.

[annalex]

Thank you.

Among other things, the article describes the hospital atmosphere very well: complete inability to get a moment of rest and surly personnel preoccupied with legal matters.

So, how do the new bumps work? One difference is that one can't bump nonexisting persons. Is there a description somewhere? It is a bit disorienting not to see the entire list.

[Straight Vermonter]

I can't understand how someone who holds so many babies could want to get rid of them.

I will never forget standing in a pro-life rally that was protesting Geraldine Ferraro when she was running for VP. Across the road from us were abortion proponents who had their children front and center holding signs saying "Support a woman's right to choose". It was nearly enough to bring tears to my eyes.

[Straight Vermonter]

WHile your point about contraception may have merit as it applies to barrier contraceptions it does not with chemical contraception. The pill aims to prevent ovulation but it is not entirely successful in this. As a backup measure it also prevents implantation. In these cases a woman does not know she has become pregnant but a tiny life has still been snuffed out.

[ELS]

The OB/GYN "cared" about giving them information they didn't ask for, but didn't care about the patient getting some much needed rest. She should be ashamed of herself.

[ELS]

Head and heart, science and poetry, reason and faith — these are not supposed to be opposites, but complementary ways of seeing reality. They are reconciled in the unity of truth.

A profound statement that is relevant to an earlier conversation we had.

[Diamond]

An obstetrician once made the mistake of recommending this test to my wife who was carrying our fourth child, since our third child had Down Syndrome. She proceeded to excoriate him with a magestic, unbridled fury that was a sight to behold. He never did that to us again.

I would have had no compunction at all about telling that bag of human vomit called an obstetrician in the story that she had "terminated her mother's pregnancy" by being born, and to get the h**l out of the room before I called the police.

Cordially,

[patent]

So, how do the new bumps work? One difference is that one can't bump nonexisting persons. Is there a description somewhere? It is a bit disorienting not to see the entire list.

Try clicking here, and if that doesn’t work (I’m not sure about the new page urls) do a search for “recent changes.” To find John Rob’s thread on it. I agree that it’s a bit disorienting, but if it saves me having to bump 14 times, I’ll take it. You might not want too, since your bumps on your threads have style. Mine are just carpet bombing, crude, but effective.

patent  +AMDG

[firewalk]

Got your ping!

[davidosborne]

Thanks for the bump.. My wife and I had a very similar discussion with our Doctor (U.S. Army, Fort Bragg, NC) The ONLY purpose of that test is to encourage ABORTIONS!!... Many people fail to understand the number of FALSE POSITIVES this test produces and therefore the number of "convieniently justified" killings of another human being

May God Help America!!

David

[pgkdan]

This is beautiful. We've got to get our moral bearings back..the thought that abortion has become so common place in the US that this scene would happen in a Christian aflliiated hospital is an abomination.

[firebrand]

Thanks for the bump on this story, patent. A friend of mine with a one-year-old does wonderful imitations of his baby when she could only be seen with ultrasound (coy, flirtatious little side shots, joyful front shots . . .). He's exaggerating of course, but he says the sense of life is so profound that he doesn't understand how anyone who has seen 3-D ultrasound of their child can ever again be in favor of abortion.

[ninenot]

We knew from Month 4 that our #10 child was a physical wreck and would not likely make it long, if at all. My wife and I persevered, and St. Max now watches over all of us--and has been quite an intercessor for troubled babies, BTW.

We also had the death-squad MD's (at an allegedly Catholic hospital) asking if we really wanted to continue nutrition/hydration. Were I sentient when we were asked, I might have asked the MD if HE wanted continuing nut/hyd for himself--oh, well.

[patent]

A bump to that.

[Salvation]

Just sent this to my son and daughter in law; yes, proud grandma here!

[VermiciousKnid]

To tell the truth, I have no objection to taking the test itself -- in fact, I have had the test performed twice myself. It is what happens AFTER the test that concerns me.

We here on FR have all seen the miraculous photographs of baby Samuel, who had corrective surgery performed IN UTERO to fix his spina bifida -- presumably after his mother had undergone an Alpha Fetal Protein test and amniocentisis. It is for this reason that I'd go ahead and have the tests again, should God grant me the boon of another child -- because today, there ARE some things that can be fixed. But we have to be aware that there's something wrong before we can fix it.

Unfortunately, it seems that many parents are unwilling to deliver less-than-perfect children, and take advantage of the information they receive from these tests. I don't know how to fix that problem -- it is a problem of the soul, and it is very, very sad.

Needless to say, it wouldn't matter to me one bit what the results of an AFP or amnio were. Any baby that's growing inside me is going to be deliverd, come Hell or High Water.

Regards,

[Hemlock]

An anti-abortion bump.