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15 students suspended over Confederate flag T-shirts
al.com ^ | 10/16/01 | ap

Posted on 10/16/2001 7:16:09 PM PDT by shuckmaster

MOULTON, Ala. (AP) -- Fifteen students at Lawrence County High School got suspended for wearing Confederate flag T-shirts to school Monday.

Principal Ricky Nichols said he suspended the students for three days each because they defied a ban he placed on rebel flag clothing on Friday.

"School is not an open forum," the principal said. "It is a place for learning."

Seven of the students and two parents protested later Monday at the Lawrence County Board of Education's parking lot.

The suspended students all wore T-shirts by Dixie Outfitters. The shirts have emblems on the front and back that contain the Confederate battle flag. The students said the shirts aren't meant as a racial statement.

"In Lawrence County, it's almost like a fashion statement, the same way people wear Tommy Hilfiger," senior Casey Hughes said.

Some students said they wear the shirts as an expression of Southern heritage, but the principal said none of the students could tell him if their great-grandfathers fought in the Civil War.


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Aw, Shucks!


1 posted on 10/16/2001 7:16:09 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: shuckmaster
"School is not an open forum,"

What's that Constitution for, again?

2 posted on 10/16/2001 7:19:15 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: shuckmaster
"School is not an open forum," the principal said. "It is a place for learning."

As the principal announces next assembly speaker is going to be from Planned Parenthood.

3 posted on 10/16/2001 7:19:57 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: sirgawain
What's that Constitution for, again?

Some folks adhere to it, some scoff, and these folks wipe their butts with it.

4 posted on 10/16/2001 7:21:07 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: anniegetyourgun
With mandatory attendance, of course...
5 posted on 10/16/2001 7:22:20 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: shuckmaster
Principal Ricky must be a Commmie.
6 posted on 10/16/2001 7:23:04 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: shuckmaster
Walk through the metal detector, stand in line while the Vice Principal goes through your backpack, walk down the hall under the eye of the security cameras to the office where you pee in a cup in order to join FBLA. At lunch, go home and take off your shirt because the Principal doesn't like it. After lunch, go in for a random strip search while they have the drug dogs sniff your locker. You should finish in time to go into Civics class and learn all about how wonderful it is for you live in a free country where liberty reigns supreme.

Is it ANY WONDER our kids are cynical?
7 posted on 10/16/2001 7:23:45 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: sirgawain
What's that Constitution for, again?

To gain the benefit of a public education, you must follow whatever rules they establish. I don't have any problem with the rules. It is the existance of the government schools that is troublesome.

8 posted on 10/16/2001 7:24:23 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
That's why you are always right.
9 posted on 10/16/2001 7:25:45 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: shuckmaster

And who says political correctness is dead?! [sarcasm off]

Hurrah for the Confederacy ... HURRAH ... HURRAH!

10 posted on 10/16/2001 7:26:03 PM PDT by Colt .45
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To: shuckmaster
"School is not an open forum," the principal said. "It is a place for learning."

Somebody needs to remind those mouthy liberal traitor professors of that then.

11 posted on 10/16/2001 7:26:06 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: Arkinsaw
Walk through the metal detector, stand in line while the Vice Principal goes through your backpack, walk down the hall under the eye of the security cameras to the office where you pee in a cup in order to join FBLA. At lunch, go home and take off your shirt because the Principal doesn't like it. After lunch, go in for a random strip search while they have the drug dogs sniff your locker. You should finish in time to go into Civics class and learn all about how wonderful it is for you live in a free country where liberty reigns supreme.

...it was worth repeating....

12 posted on 10/16/2001 7:28:07 PM PDT by artios
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To: sirgawain
This is happening in Alabama? Gezzz.
13 posted on 10/16/2001 7:28:29 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: shuckmaster
I bet if the T-shirts had NAAPC or a multi-colored African Continent on them it would be fine.
14 posted on 10/16/2001 7:32:18 PM PDT by Alpenkatze
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To: shuckmaster
Some of the last real Americans stood up for states rights and freedom 140 years ago, against overwhelming odds. If today's Americans understood freedom as they did, we would not let mushy headed girlymen take over our country. I say, let the stars and bars be honored in all our communities from Maine to California. It is as much a herald of freedom as the star spangled banner.


15 posted on 10/16/2001 7:32:55 PM PDT by mcollins
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To: shuckmaster

HEY SUCKMASTER!

Way to fake us all out with your altered headline. Why did you take out the word "Confederate?"
What're you tryin' to hide, Dude? Were you just trying to get more hits on your post or what?
Cheap shot.

16 posted on 10/16/2001 7:34:01 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Always Right
"To gain the benefit of a public education, you must follow whatever rules they establish."

That's an interesting argument. In Tinker vs. DesMoines, however, the Supreme Court ruled that teachers and students do not shed their constitutional freedom of speech at the school door. I wonder what ruling since then has overturned this right?

17 posted on 10/16/2001 7:34:14 PM PDT by beGlad
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To: Always Right
You're right.
18 posted on 10/16/2001 7:35:21 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Alpenkatze
Correction----> NAACP
19 posted on 10/16/2001 7:35:29 PM PDT by Alpenkatze
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To: shuckmaster
I know it's their choice to protest the way they want to. But in the name of unity for a change, I wish they chose Old Glory for a year. Oh well. [sigh.]
20 posted on 10/16/2001 7:37:00 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: shuckmaster
This was taken from the ACLU's website a week ago. It isn't there now. Guess this issue isn't important huh??

"In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students in school as well as out of school are 'persons' under our Constitution." -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas, Tinker v. Des Moines School District (1969

21 posted on 10/16/2001 7:39:40 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: sirgawain
This action is definitely contrary to many SC decisions on the matter.
22 posted on 10/16/2001 7:46:23 PM PDT by JAWs
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Pathetic! There is NOTHING wrong with the CONFEDERATE flag.....just as everyone has a freedom of speech here. SOME people are actually proud of their heritage. Being a "Rebel" does not mean that one is Pro-slavery these days. It just means.....you are PROUD to be from the South! Get a grip on reality, folks.
23 posted on 10/16/2001 7:56:16 PM PDT by GODblessAMERICAagain
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To: shuckmaster
I doubt any of their great-grandfathers fought in the civil war. I'm 21 now, and all my great-grandparents were born between 1899 and 1912. Great-great-great-grandfather may be more appropriate for this age group.
24 posted on 10/16/2001 7:57:08 PM PDT by jae471
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To: ppaul
Does it matter if it was a shirt with a Confederate flag on it or a US flag, or the Pledge of Allegiance, or God Bless America? The constitutional principles are the same and the school administrators banning them are the same.
25 posted on 10/16/2001 7:57:25 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I don't consider this to be a protest. I were the Austrian and German flags on many shirts of mine. I also have a German flag in my room. I also have many Croatian flags/symbols. I'm proud of my heritage... let them and all of you be proud of yours...
26 posted on 10/16/2001 7:59:22 PM PDT by Alpenkatze
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To: Alpenkatze
I thought you had it right the first time NAAPCCP, with the exception of CP on the end. National Association of Politically Correct Colored People. Either that or you were saying it the way they demand it now....National Association of People of Color.
27 posted on 10/16/2001 8:02:26 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: GODblessAMERICAagain
Ditto Ditto Ditto... My brother lives in Georgia... he loves his flags too...
28 posted on 10/16/2001 8:02:43 PM PDT by Alpenkatze
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Your right... I stand corrected... I'm really tired tonite. Will probably make more mistakes - so BEAR with me O.K.?
29 posted on 10/16/2001 8:05:07 PM PDT by Alpenkatze
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To: shuckmaster
"15 Students Suspended For Wearing Flag T-Shirt To School".

You wonder why? Some have pretty good reasons.

CLICK HERE

30 posted on 10/16/2001 8:06:03 PM PDT by the_rightside
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To: ppaul
Post #16

Cheap shot....and you missed.

Eaker

31 posted on 10/16/2001 8:08:12 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: shuckmaster
"School is not an open forum," the principal said. "It is a place for learning."

If there is no open forum in school, there is no learning, just indoctrination.


The war on Southern Heritage continues.

32 posted on 10/16/2001 8:09:59 PM PDT by aomagrat
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"...This is happening in Alabama? Gezzz..."

Scary stuff....

My home town is about 40 kliks from there. Most of that bunch is soo Red-Neck that their ankles are pink.
(Heck, I'm proud to claim that area as home!!)

Trust me...several folks around there will be more than happy to give that fellow an 'Attitude Adjustment'....

33 posted on 10/16/2001 8:12:22 PM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: shuckmaster
DAMN! I'm Sick and Tired of This Crapola!

I have ONE Great-Great-Grandfather Who Was a "Union Officer" (A Colonel under Gen. Grant Himself)
I Have One Other Great-Great- Grandfather who was an Officer in the Army of the South!

Damn It! Now Just What the HELL Does that make me?????
All These Years Later, After the Fact!

I SHALL Salute Both "Banners"! I Am a product of Both! I Have the Right!

As I Said......I'm Sick and Tired of hearing about this....It Is History! It IS American History!
It is Done and Over With... It Is "Water under the Bridge"!
Let It Go!
What's Done IS Done......Nobody Can Change That!
There is No Reason to keep 'Fussin' bout it!
It Only Divides US!
As I Said..... I Shall Salute Both Banners in respect for MY Fathers AND This Great Country!

(Anyone Who Thinks they're Big Enough......'Come on and Stop Me!!!)Iffn ya think ya can...

God Bless America!
34 posted on 10/16/2001 8:16:47 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: shuckmaster
What would have been the response of the principal if the students showed up wearing

Gay Pride

tee-shirts instead of the Confederate flag?

Many of us are proud of the Confederate flag, and find the notion of "gay pride" repulsive.

I suspect that the school would find a "gay pride" tee-shirt preferable to an American flag shirt.

35 posted on 10/16/2001 8:17:21 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining
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To: beGlad
Tinker has never been directly overruled, but in the subsequent years since then, the Court has narrowed its scope somewhat. See Bethel School District No. 403 v. Fraser, 478 US 675 (1986), and especially Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 US 260 (1988).
36 posted on 10/16/2001 8:22:23 PM PDT by general_re
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To: jae471
Actually, my great-great grandfather fought in the Civil War. I am 23...
37 posted on 10/16/2001 8:24:50 PM PDT by cactmh
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To: shuckmaster
"School is not an open forum," the principal said. "It is a place for learning."

So take down the posters advocating the gay lifestyle.
Stop teaching the kids fisting, abortion, earth worship.
I agree, let's start teaching kids to READ and WRITE again.

38 posted on 10/16/2001 8:28:01 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: shuckmaster
If the principal was really concerned with the education of these students, he would have marched them down to the gym and issued them PE shirts to wear for the remainder of the day.
39 posted on 10/16/2001 8:29:01 PM PDT by Nomo Lies
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To: Alpenkatze
You really are tired tonight, I was just making a little joke, not trying to correct you. You will probably appreciate the irony better tomorrow. I make plenty of mistakes myself, even when I'm not tired.
40 posted on 10/16/2001 8:32:08 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: general_re
"...Tinker has never been directly overruled..."

You are correct!!

The Tinker case stated, if memory serves, that "Students do NOT shed their RightS at the Schoolhouse Gate."

41 posted on 10/16/2001 8:33:01 PM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: the_rightside
So, do you agree or disagree with the article you linked to?
42 posted on 10/16/2001 8:34:36 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
It would be great to get this schools e-mail adress.
I like this. The students are starting to stand up to the socialists ideals.
This is a great sign of the times!!!
43 posted on 10/16/2001 8:35:38 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: jae471
I doubt any of their great-grandfathers fought in the civil war. I'm 21 now, and all my great-grandparents were born between 1899 and 1912. Great-great-great-grandfather may be more appropriate for this age group.

guess it depends upon genetics. My 13-yod's great-grandfather fought for the CSA

44 posted on 10/16/2001 8:36:06 PM PDT by womanvet
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To: the_rightside
"Neo-Confederate" is a conspiracy theory developed by a gay activist in Dallas, TX who had a black lover and devoted his life to fighting oppression of his partner. This person also promulgated the urban legend of Tommy Hilfiger hiding Confederate racist symbols in his clothes designs and accused Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter of being "Neo-Confederates". This person was used as an expert "resource" for journalists and researchers doing stories on "Neo-Confederates". Its worked out nicely since someone with the name of "the-rightside" buys into it on FreeRepublic. Oh well.

I've been classified as one of these "Neo-Confederates", by one of the originators of the term no less. I am neither racist nor separatist. I love the South and Southerners, all colors. I cannot imagine a South without black culture, French culture, Spanish culture, Mexican culture (in other words, Minnesota). When I eat okra I know where it came from. I also love the Constitution of the United States and believe in the benefits of continental union as laid out in the Federalist Papers.

So there's my story. You can believe it, or you can believe that I'm part of the "Neo-Confederate" conspiracy theory. But at least you know where that theory springs from either way.
45 posted on 10/16/2001 8:38:09 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Eaker; ppaul
Maybe he used an elephant gun for a gnat, but it WAS a bull's-eye.

FReegards,

46 posted on 10/16/2001 8:38:14 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: StopGlobalWhining
I suspect that if the students were wearing "GAY PRIDE" flag t-shirts, they would've been sent home too.
47 posted on 10/16/2001 8:38:20 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: shuckmaster
Quick, tell me............if they had been black, wearing pictures of Malcolm X on t-shirts......OR, that ridiculous red, black and green "African" flag on their shirts......would they have been suspended??

Any takers on this one? Hello???????

My oh my, how Alabama has swung TOO far the other way................

48 posted on 10/16/2001 8:38:55 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: the_rightside
Interesting article (post #30). Thanks.
49 posted on 10/16/2001 8:41:21 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: shuckmaster
Aw Shucks!
Although I criticized what appeared to be your selective censorship of the headline, I'm nevertheless glad you posted the article.
Thanks.
50 posted on 10/16/2001 8:44:45 PM PDT by ppaul
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