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"There were no innocent people in those skyscrapers" - Chilling view from the other side
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | October 17, 2001 | CRAIG NELSON

Posted on 10/17/2001 3:02:17 AM PDT by sarcasm

Taliban prisoners

Douab, Afghanistan -- A cherub-faced foot soldier for Osama bin Laden and radical Islam, Obaidur Rahman paused to consider whether more than 6,000 people deserved to die when hijacked airliners crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania countryside last month.

"There were no innocent people in those skyscrapers," said Rahman, with chilling earnestness.

The hijackers who carried out last month's catastrophic attacks are dead. Their accomplices are under arrest or on the run. Yet here, in a remote prison in rebel-controlled northern Afghanistan, Rahman and other inmates provided clues to their thinking.

For these Islamic militants, the guilt or innocence of Americans and hundreds of other foreigners killed in the attack is no issue.

In a world they view as a battleground between believers and infidels, there are no shades of complicity, only good versus evil. The Sept. 11 assault on the United States was a victory in a war, and an occasion only for rejoicing.

"When I heard the news, I was happy. I thought, Muslims are becoming strong," Rahman said, fingering a string of brown prayer beads, his legs shackled in thick iron manacles.

And if his fellow Muslim extremists are responsible for mailing anthrax-treated letters to U.S. journalists and lawmakers? "All the better," he said.

If Rahman, 22, shows little ability to parse guilt and innocence, it is because the world as he knows it has been sharply divided into believers and non-believers ever since he can remember.

Born in Yemen, on the Arabian peninsula, to parents who were farmers, Rahman attended an Islamic religious school. There, he was imbued with the fiery teachings of Abdul Majid Zandani, the head of Yemen's Iman University who advocates a return to an austere, early brand of Islam. Rahman and other students were urged to wage war against infidels for the survival of their faith.

First, however, they had to go to Afghanistan for military training.

Few exhortations were needed. While most non-Muslims know little, if anything, about Afghanistan, Rahman and many other Muslim youth viewed it as a shining symbol of empowerment.

In the 1980s, up to 25,000 Arab and Muslim young men had answered the call to converge on Afghanistan and help expel the occupying Soviet Red Army. With the aid of Pakistan, the United States and Saudi Arabia, they succeeded brilliantly.

Ten years later, Afghanistan beckoned another generation of Muslim youth -- this time not to fight Soviet soldiers but to help establish "pure" Islamic states worldwide.

"There was no question of becoming a farmer like my father. My decision was to fight pagans," Rahman said.

With the financial help of local businessmen, Rahman says, he traveled first to Karachi, Pakistan, then to a military training camp operated by bin Laden's al-Qaida network near the Afghan city of Khost. After he learned to shoot a Kalashnikov automatic rifle, he was deployed alongside his religious kinsmen, the ruling Taliban militia, to fight the opposition Northern Alliance.

After only three months, he was captured. He was just 17 years old.

Five years later, Rahman's contempt for the United States is unabated, his scorn rooted in what he says are America's evil policies toward the Islamic world -- its persecution of Iraq, its support of Israelis over Palestinians and the presence of 5,000 U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the site of the Prophet Mohammed's birth and death.

The ambition that burns inside remains unquenched: to wage holy war against infidels, free Islamic countries from the grip of U.S. influence and help fundamentalist Muslims from the Philippines to Chechnya establish true Islamic governments. The source of his inspiration is simple, he said: "The Prophet Mohammed and the Koran tell us to wage jihad against pagan peoples."

Rahman believes ordinary Americans are guilty because they are accomplices of anti-Muslim policies carried out in their name. But not all of his fellow prisoners believe the calculus is quite that straightforward.

Mistakes have been made, said Salhuddin Khalid, a 27-year-old Pakistani who also fought on the side of the Taliban until he was taken captive by Northern Alliance forces five years ago.

The deaths of at least 229 Kenyans and Tanzanians in car-bomb attacks on the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998 were an "accident," the bespectacled Khalid said. Twelve Americans were killed in the blasts, which U.S. officials say were masterminded by bin Laden.

As for last month's attacks, Khalid said the complicity of the victims in anti-Islamic policies was insignificant compared to the responsibility of the Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. military.

Still, he insisted, the deaths of Americans in the Twin Towers and on hijacked planes were merely the moral equivalent of a landmark event in another war. "Lots of innocent people were killed by the atomic bomb that America dropped on Hiroshima," he said.

In the deadly serious world of Rahman and Khalid, the end justifies the means. Both said they would once again join the holy war if they are ever released.

At that time, they said, no exceptions would be made for unsympathetic Muslims, let alone acquaintances who fall on the wrong side of their rigid view of life and pious mission.

That was evident as Rahman's visitor prepared to leave the prison and asked him a final question, this one hypothetical.

If he were piloting a hijacked civilian airliner bound for an attack on the World Trade Center and were told that his visitor, an American, were working on the 82nd floor of the skyscraper, would he still crash the airplane into the building?

"Yes, of course."

"Nothing personal, right?"

"Right."


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1 posted on 10/17/2001 3:02:17 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
I guess these people have never heard of the concept of balance of powers, as if the whole of America was one gigantic unified action. Yes, those people were innocent, and probably would have helped the muslim cause if they were asked. Morons.
2 posted on 10/17/2001 3:05:07 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
They are far worse than simple morons . These quasi humans are barbaric , and beneath contempt.
3 posted on 10/17/2001 3:11:12 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Sorry, they are animals indeed.
4 posted on 10/17/2001 3:16:13 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: sarcasm
These must not be the peaceful Muslims.
5 posted on 10/17/2001 3:16:42 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: sarcasm
Which once again leads us to an inescapable conclusion: the only way we will ever destroy terrorism (sometimes called "asymmetric" warfare) is to actively replace these cultures that espouse violent opposition to us. This means "change of government ceremonies" imposed at the muzzles of an M1A1 tanks and seeking out and finding these "teachers" among them that get young people filled with this kind of aberrant value system and eliminating them. Then we have to get democracy and prosperity for them, just like we did for Germany and Japan after we readjusted their attitudes.

Some would call this "imperialism", I would call it survival. The only other choice is to wait until they have the kinds of weapon systems that really will eliminate us. Ignoring them will never be a solution.

6 posted on 10/17/2001 3:28:34 AM PDT by USMCVet
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To: USMCVet
Re: #6: All I can say is.........amen.
7 posted on 10/17/2001 3:42:08 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Aquinasfan
"These must not be the peaceful Muslims."

Actually, they are. And they'll likely remain peaceful, unless they get near an airplane or similar instrument that can be used to kill innocent people.

Remember. Mojo Attaboy and his gang of merry clymers were "peaceful" too by any contemporary definition of the word -- until Sept. 11, that is. Then they were no longer peaceful. They joined the "tiny minority" of violent moslems.

So aren't you comforted by the knowledge that the vast majority are peaceful? I know I sure am. not.

8 posted on 10/17/2001 3:45:39 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: sarcasm
The views expressed in this article no more deserve to be printed than do the ravings of a madman.
9 posted on 10/17/2001 3:46:31 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: sarcasm
...no exceptions would be made for unsympathetic Muslims, let alone acquaintances who fall on the wrong side of their rigid view of life and pious mission.

Wonder if this includes (theoretically) those Muslims who left home to study and work in America, despite their "allegiance" to their homeland. Wonder if it includes the homegrown teeny-bopper Islamic fundamentalists who drive fast cars, go to the movies, hang out at the mall, wear fingernail polish, eat fast food, and spew venomous hatred for the land of their birth (America). Do they differentiate between those who profess a love of jihad but stay safely within the bounteously rich society of the West and those who have actually trained at the al Qaeda camps, leaving their homeland behind to fight side-by-side with Osama et al? If the Muslims here were to read that Taliban captive's words, I think they'd be scared for their own lives.

10 posted on 10/17/2001 3:47:25 AM PDT by shezza
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To: sarcasm
In short, according to moral ciphers like these dopes , if you would save one of them from drowning, he would be perfectly justified in slitting your throat once you were both on shore. The only solution is to kill them before they kill us.
11 posted on 10/17/2001 3:48:54 AM PDT by driftless
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To: sarcasm
Unfortunately, it seems the only options are to either colonize and civilize them................or just kill them all.
12 posted on 10/17/2001 3:52:00 AM PDT by E.Allen
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To: sarcasm
Then what is all this crying about their innocent being killed in collateral damage all about? If everything is fair in war, a war that they declared, and that our civilian killed our not innocent, then BY GOD neither are your's innocent.
13 posted on 10/17/2001 3:54:30 AM PDT by rstevens
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To: USMCVet
..."readjust their attitudes"....

I like that. Of course, with both Germany and Japan, we had to settle them down a little first. Germany received massive carpet bombing and Japan, well, therein lies the greatest lesson of all.

THE ULTIMATUM: Give the Arab countries one year to dispose of their garbage, or we drop "the incinerator" on the whole region and burn it down to the ground. Nothing left but glowing ashes.

15 posted on 10/17/2001 4:11:59 AM PDT by Gig
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To: E.Allen
See my reply #15.
16 posted on 10/17/2001 4:13:01 AM PDT by Gig
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To: jwsmith88
Bin Laden himself says they were innocent people and killing innocent people is wrong and he didn't do it and since he considers himself a good Muslim, there is no way he could lie about this.

Now these dipsh*ts say there were no innocent people involved at all.

I think somebody here is lying. And someone else has let the cat out of the bag. And all are moral zeros.

17 posted on 10/17/2001 4:14:20 AM PDT by The Kitten
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To: sarcasm
These guys consider themselves heroes, fighters, martyrs. We call them................................................................................

...................................targets.

18 posted on 10/17/2001 4:17:14 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: USMCVet
You say tanks, I say nukes! And I am not talking tactical, I'm talking multi war head ICBM's launced from the heart land of our nation.

It is time to turn the entire region into a sheet of glass!

Nukem

19 posted on 10/17/2001 4:18:41 AM PDT by Alas
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To: Don Joe
It's sad that not many people will realize the immmense truth in your statement. (#8)
20 posted on 10/17/2001 4:19:58 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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