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Russia pulls out of its big spy base in Cuba
Guardian/UK ^ | 10/18/01 | Kevin O'Flynn in Moscow

Posted on 10/17/2001 7:43:32 PM PDT by kattracks

Nearly 40 years after troops from the Soviet Union arrived in Cuba, President Putin of Russia has ordered his military to pack up and leave what was once an important spy base there, heralding the end of Moscow's presence on the island.

Russia said the move, announced after a stormy meeting at the Russian defence ministry, was down to the cost of keeping the base going. But others see it as a goodwill signal to Washington and President George Bush.

Only 100 miles from Key West in Florida, the Lourdes spy base proved crucial for intelligence during and after the cold war. It is said to be Russia's largest spy base, covering 28 square miles south of Havana and able to spy on the White House and Nasa.

The base has been a big cause of irritation between the US and Russia. Last year, the US House of Representatives passed a bill to try to prevent America from rescheduling Russian's international debt unless Lourdes was shut down.

Through the base, the Kremlin is said to have learned of America's battle plans for the 1990-91 Gulf war. President Putin praised the base and its thousand-plus employees when he visited last December.

The chief of the general staff, Anatoly Kvashnin, said that Lourdes had been vital during the cold war. But priorities had changed, making the base's annual cost of $200m harder to justify.

"Now, the military-political situation has changed and there has been a qualitative leap in military equipment. With that money we can buy and launch 20 communication, intelligence and information satellites, and buy up to 100 sophisticated radars," General Kvashnin said.

Military experts saw the decision as a sign to Washington that Russia is serious about a partnership with the west.

"It's the first real signal of Mr Putin's that he is sincere in his relations with the United States," said Alexander Golts, a military expert with the Moscow newspaper Izvestia.


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1 posted on 10/17/2001 7:43:32 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
If Russia and the United States truly become Allies, then we cannot be stopped.

China will fall before us.

Islam will be a brief and silly memory.

Russia has some incredible research skills and a very impressive brain trust, and an immense mineral wealth. I hope they become fast friends with us.

2 posted on 10/17/2001 7:47:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: flamefront; Askel5; GeronL; AGAviator
Big changes going on right now.
3 posted on 10/17/2001 7:48:29 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: kattracks
making the base's annual cost of $200m harder to justify.

If they want to, they could get much more info by paying much less. China showed them the way.

4 posted on 10/17/2001 7:49:53 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Lazamataz
If Russia and the United States truly become Allies, then we cannot be stopped.

I would still be wary of the FORMER KGB head.

5 posted on 10/17/2001 7:50:37 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: kattracks
I don't buy it. Castro is a lying snake like Putin. Castro will not be all alone. He's signed a stratigic aliance with China not long ago. He's been sending Russian and Chinese troops into Mexico and establishing bases their. Our own border patrol has seen Chinese and Cuban soldiers dressed in Mexican miliary uniforms south of the border. I simply don't but it. Russia is still communist as far as I can tell. I don't trust them.
6 posted on 10/17/2001 7:52:16 PM PDT by Tribulation Force
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To: kattracks
That's why Bush is taking his chances by going to China. Meeting with Putin could bring about some very positive developments.

Russia still has elements that hate the US deeply, there are people over there happy about 9/11, burning the flag at rallies, but then again there are some equally disgusting liberals over here.

Still, there are plenty of decent people over there and there are certain common goals of civilization that we share. I hope Bush has great luck in his visit, which you know good well Clinton would have canceled for the sake of the safety of his pastey white butt, at the expense of all humanity.

8 posted on 10/17/2001 7:52:49 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: kattracks
The parties are lining up for WW III. Our old ally comes home to roost.
9 posted on 10/17/2001 7:53:20 PM PDT by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: Cool Guy
I would still be wary of the FORMER KGB head.

Yeah, I know. But remember: Bush is the son of the FORMER CIA head. So they could say the same thing.

I think we might both be on the up-and-up. It no longer looks like a communism-versus-capitalism world. It now seems more like a civilized-versus-uncivilized world. If my premise is correct, Russia falls firmly in a 'western', i.e., cultured and civilized, camp.

10 posted on 10/17/2001 7:53:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: kattracks
See also: U.S. "Aggressively" Backing Russian WTO Membership After September 11

All the US needs now is for Russia to give the go ahead on the ABM treaty.

11 posted on 10/17/2001 7:53:59 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Freedom007
Since we are now a Communist state there is little need for Russia to spend money watching us.

Well, there is that angle as well. It seems we are pretty much Russia, with some nicer cars.

12 posted on 10/17/2001 7:54:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Cool Guy
Trust but verify. But I think Putin is a good man, and I hope for the day that Russia and the US can get over their mutual mistrust and become allies. The Soviet Union is gone and it ain't coming back.
13 posted on 10/17/2001 7:55:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sawdring
Stop fooling yourself. There is good and there is evil.
Anatoly Kvashnin, head of the Staff the Russian Armed Forces, 15 of November of 1999: The zone of responsability of NATO grew of 650-750 kilometers to the east, what sensibly reduced the strategical alarm period of Russia.
14 posted on 10/17/2001 7:55:55 PM PDT by Milosevic2
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Still capable of stabbing us in the back.
16 posted on 10/17/2001 7:56:18 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: dfwgator
Don't be so sure.
17 posted on 10/17/2001 7:56:26 PM PDT by Tribulation Force
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To: Lazamataz
It no longer looks like a communism-versus-capitalism world. It now seems more like a civilized-versus-uncivilized world. If my premise is correct, Russia falls firmly in a 'western', i.e., cultured and civilized, camp.

Very true. Right now, we have common interests in eleminating the islamic terrorists. But after this crisis, USa nad RUSSIA need to sit down and do a LOT of talking before we can be allies. But, I am sure, the relationship will be very beneficial to both USA and RUSSIA, and ofcourse to the Civilized world.

18 posted on 10/17/2001 7:58:00 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Lazamataz
I think we might both be on the up-and-up. It no longer looks like a communism-versus-capitalism world. It now seems more like a civilized-versus-uncivilized world. If my premise is correct, Russia falls firmly in a 'western', i.e., cultured and civilized, camp.

I, for one, think you are right.
19 posted on 10/17/2001 7:58:44 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: Lazamataz
If Russia and the United States truly become Allies, then we cannot be stopped. China will fall before us. Islam will be a brief and silly memory.

There is something so naive about this kind of sentimentality. It reminds me of all propaganda.

20 posted on 10/17/2001 7:59:48 PM PDT by cornelis
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