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Peggy Noonan: Profiles Encouraged
Opinion Journal ^ | 10/19/2001 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/18/2001 9:08:51 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:03:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Under the cirumstances, we must be wary of young Arab men.

It was Sept. 14 at 9 p.m., and I was on Fifth Avenue, directly across the street from St. Patrick's Cathedral. I was standing, that is, directly in front of the statue of Atlas holding up the world, at the entrance of Rockefeller Center. I was with my 14-year-old son. We were waiting for friends who were going to accompany us downtown to see the memorials that had sprung up in Washington Square and other places.


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To: Pokey78
and suddenly we see these two guys, Mideastern guys, in turbans.

Funny. I've been in various countries in the Mid-East about 30 times and I've never seen anyone wearing a turban.

Sikhs wear turbans, however. Sikhs are from India. India is not in the Mid-East. (Take a look at a map). Sikhs are not Moslems.

51 posted on 10/19/2001 5:38:13 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Pokey78
First Peggy is right as usual.
52 posted on 10/19/2001 5:39:27 AM PDT by father_elijah
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To: Pokey78
Racial profiling, the first step in a good defense. It is also the reason the pc crowd is so against it, it is efficeint and right more often than wrong which is why law enforcement uses it.
53 posted on 10/19/2001 5:39:49 AM PDT by RWG
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To: Nogbad
Many North Africans wear turbans, especially the Tuareg. Under Gaddafi turbans have become much more common in Libya as they are a favorite part of Gaddafi's dress.

Nonetheless, if I were an Arab Muslim terrorist, I might dress as a Sikh to implicate them.

54 posted on 10/19/2001 5:43:34 AM PDT by father_elijah
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To: Pokey78; Bob Burnett; ThreeOfSeven; Seti 1; Cachelot; dennisw
A Peggy Noonan Conservative truth bump.
55 posted on 10/19/2001 5:51:49 AM PDT by veronica
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To: father_elijah
Under Gaddafi turbans have become much more common in Libya as they are a favorite part of Gaddafi's dress.

Gaddafi is a drag queen. (Now THAT might be a good disguise for a terrorist. I'd recommend a nose-ring as well.)

56 posted on 10/19/2001 5:53:34 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Nogbad, you really made me laugh! Thanks.
57 posted on 10/19/2001 5:56:06 AM PDT by father_elijah
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To: atafak
Carry a small camera at all times. Use it.

Yep. Even one of the small disposable ones is better than nothing.

58 posted on 10/19/2001 6:02:41 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Pokey78
I really, really love Peggy. Even Allen Colmes loves Peggy.

You know, when driving on the freeway, I find myself checking out the faces of the drivers of eighteen-wheelers. I think the next attack may come from a truck.

59 posted on 10/19/2001 6:11:59 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Cachelot
The camera is a good idea, though I've taken to carrying my AR-15 and 300 rounds in my truck. (This, in addition the .45 I have riding on my hip.)
60 posted on 10/19/2001 6:14:10 AM PDT by IGOTMINE
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To: IGOTMINE
There is no wuestion that terrorist cells are videotaping all of our "TROPHY" real estate in order to blow them up at a later date!!!!
61 posted on 10/19/2001 6:16:12 AM PDT by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Roebucks
I love this article, Noonan paints with words...and does so beautifully
62 posted on 10/19/2001 6:23:40 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the article. I believe it contains information of which all Americans should be aware. I was concerned about churches last Sunday morning, because they are among the least protected buildings, inhabited by the most trusted people, in the country. Last Sunday this weighed heavily on my mind and St. Patrick's was one of the buildings I thought was vulnerable. Catholic churches tend to be large and this is the Church that officially fought against Islam throughout the crusades. It would be too easy to pull up a truck along side the building during services. We should all be on the alert. Peggy is absolutely right!
63 posted on 10/19/2001 6:26:08 AM PDT by twigs
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To: atafak
Carry a small camera at all times. Use it. Write down license numbers. Ask them their names and what they are doing.

I have a small disposable camera and a little spiral-bound notebook in my purse or backpack now wherever we go. About a week after 9-11 my kids and I went to the local Wal-Mart. As we were walking from our vehicle through the parking lot, I saw two young Middle Eastern guys, twenty-somethings, walking out of WM toward us. They had no bags from the store. They had nothing in their hands at all. But in the 10-15 feet width of space between parked cars, they were walking like they were joined at the hip, with their arms pressed together and their heads down, kind of a "let's hurry up and get out of here before someone sees us" kind of exit.

I turned around and watched them walk past, narrowed my eyes, thought about it for a few seconds, then walked into the store. I WISH TO GOODNESS I had followed them to their vehicle, taken a picture of them, copied down a license plate number, and phoned it in. I didn't have anything to write on or a camera with me, so just went about my business. (What better place to unleash a bio-threat than inconspicuously sprinkled on the shelves of a local store patroned by thousands of people daily?) There are no community colleges or universities nearby which would draw foreigners to this little town--but that parking lot at Wal-Mart was barely two miles from the main gates of a large army post (where we live). There are a LOT of army personnel and families who shop there, and it's not uncommon to see dozens of uniformed soldiers picking up a can of shaving cream or a basket full of sodas and treats.

Needless to say, I'm watching my surroundings like a hawk these days, and I'm rapidly losing my PC "don't want to harass anyone who might be innocent" inclinations, too. Be ever viligent!

64 posted on 10/19/2001 6:37:41 AM PDT by shezza
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To: twigs
The sad thing is that there are probably a lot of Muslims in the US who would never be terror bombers, but who would be willing to participate in a peripheral way. It's not like taking a videotape is killing anybody. If a friend asked them to, I think many would be willing to do so, knowing full well what it is for. It is a way to participate in the Jihad in a small way, without taking any risks or getting your hands dirty. Unfortunately for us, there is a vast number of people (hundreds of thousands, at least) who feel that the Jihad is justified, and would be willing to participate in some small way, like shooting a videotape for a friend. These people need to be educated and infiltrated. We have ignored this treat for too long.
65 posted on 10/19/2001 6:41:17 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: Pokey78
Bump for reality.

(During the attack on Pearl Harbor some supply NCO's refused to open ammunition lockers since 'regulations' required approval of an officer. Most were 'persuaded' to hand out ammo so that we could at least attempt to shoot down the Jap Zeroes. The 'let's not profile' crowd are like those stupid NCO's; they don't understand that the world changed on 9/11 and that our survival is more important than 'rules'.)

66 posted on 10/19/2001 6:41:54 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Pokey78
Thanks. I almost missed this one. I'm pinging it again.

The Freepers that suggested carrying a camera make a lot of sense, especially when you are visiting tourist sites in large cities or potential targets like water supplies, etc.

67 posted on 10/19/2001 6:43:35 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: N8VTXNinWV
Ping!
68 posted on 10/19/2001 6:53:09 AM PDT by shezza
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To: Nogbad
Funny. I've been in various countries in the Mid-East about 30 times and I've never seen anyone wearing a turban.

Yeah, yeah. Semantics. What exactly is the official name of the cloth wound around the head of EVERY SINGLE MALE seen in photos of the al-Qaeda gang, Arabs, etc? Please enlighten us so we can use the correct term when talking about "rag-heads." Thank you ever so much.

69 posted on 10/19/2001 6:57:14 AM PDT by shezza
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To: Roebucks
Great read - thanks for the heads-up!

This reminded me of something a friend told me 2 weeks ago, which I had totally forgotten about. He was at a local gas station filling up and noticed a very dirty, mud covered pickup truck doing the same thing. Now in the rural area I live in, muddy pickups are not unusual.

What was unusual about this was the appearance of the driver and passenger. 30something Mid Eastern looking men in IMMACULATE clothing all the way to starched white shirts. He got that same cold stare that Ms. Noonan describes - around here that is not a common occurence.

He called the local FBI office the next morning and they were very interested in what he had to tell them.

It's not paranoia, we ARE living in a different world these days.

71 posted on 10/19/2001 7:07:49 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
I agree that we need to call and report anything that seems strange. And, it is more understandable in these days if (by profiling) we engage in wrongful prejudice. The greater good of our society trumps that concern big time.

That said, I think its also helpful to engage good, patriotic Arabs, Sikhs and others whose main desire is to help see that these terrorists are jailed, hung, shot, whatever- just beaten soundly. And, they too are out there.

73 posted on 10/19/2001 7:26:04 AM PDT by Roebucks
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To: Keyes For President; Southflanknorthpawsis; Dataman; dead
This surprises me from Noonan. I don't much like it. I don't think she likes writing it.

But I'm afraid she's basically right.

Dan

74 posted on 10/19/2001 7:26:54 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: shezza
Thanks for the Ping! Great read! put'n my disposable in the car ASAP! KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN fellow Freepers (and lurkers!)
75 posted on 10/19/2001 7:34:47 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: Pietro
I too was initially suspicious, but then I saw he was w/ a family (woman and children) and thought well he's w/ his family, and that's non-typical.

One of the hijackers from FL lived in a suburban neighborhood with his wife and children. He sent them back to Saudi Arabia two days before he murdered thousands in the WTC. They cannot be trusted!

76 posted on 10/19/2001 8:06:12 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Pokey78
Terrorists: Profiles in sneaky cowardice.
77 posted on 10/19/2001 8:07:16 AM PDT by lds23
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To: Pokey78
In the meantime, back in reality, here's something to chew on from the very same Friday morning edition of the Wall Street Journal:

Visas Being Issued At US Consulate In Saudi Arabia

A U.S. visa-processing office in Saudi Arabia that issued visas to six of the suspected 19 Sept. 11 hijackers said it is "conducting business as usual," and continues to waive interviews for the "vast majority" of applicants, according to a memo the office wrote to State Department officials.

The cable said that visas were approved for all 104 people who applied for them at the Jeddah consular office between Sept. 11 and the beginning of October, when the cable was sent. Only two of the applicants were interviewed.

78 posted on 10/19/2001 8:25:41 AM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Pokey78
In the past month I have evolved . . . to watchful potential warrior.

So have I. I've been really scrutinizing trucks as I'm on the expressway these past couple of weeks.

This morning as I got off at the usual exit to take my through-the-country route, a truck was waiting to enter the expressway. As I turned, it truck pulled through the intersection to begin its entry.

I noticed in the rear-view window that the the body of the truck had the all lettering painted over rather crudely. Thinking about the missing hazmat trailer in NJ, I turned around and got back on the expressway, hoping to catch up with it and get a license number.

I knew it wouldn't be that truck, but could have been another. I was back on the highway within 2 minutes of when I first saw it, and though I exceeded the speed limit (5 over, I didn't want a ticket!) hoping to catch up to it, did not find it for the half hour I stayed on the road. I'm guessing it must have exited soon after it entered the highway.

The suggestion of carrying a little camera notebook suggested by several is outstanding.

79 posted on 10/19/2001 8:51:00 AM PDT by mombonn
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To: Nogbad
Peggy's right about the turban...

``I have completed my education and now I'm going to Afghanistan,'' said Abdul Manan, 25, his head draped in the new white turban bestowed on graduates. ``We are ready to sacrifice our lives for a noble cause.''

From this thread:

Taliban Graduates Ready for Holy War

80 posted on 10/19/2001 9:04:43 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Pokey78
President Bush did say at his press conference, that if you see anything suspicious, to report it to the authorities. People should just do it and don't try to second-guess themselves and talk themselves out of reporting something for fear of looking foolish.

It's better to withstand a few hours of feeling foolish than to spend the rest of your life regretting not reporting something that turned out to be true.

-PJ

81 posted on 10/19/2001 9:20:54 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Pokey78
I think some cell members may not be sure what their next move is. They're not sure of their next assignment. They haven't been told, or they haven't, perhaps, chosen. I think cell members have been going around taking home movies of potential targets. I suspect they've been downloading them into computers and shooting them off to Osama and his lieutenants in the caves.

As ever, Peggy Noonan is right on! In my townhouse development, a "single man" purchased a unit two years ago. He kept to himself and there was a lot of traffic (cars with young middle eastern males) that came and went during that time. He disappeared around 9/11. His car sat in the driveway with a flat tire. All the shades in the house are pulled down, except for one window where a cat sometimes appears. It wasn't until 2 weeks later that I learned his name was middle eastern.

Initially, I felt silly bringing this information to the state police and the FBI. What if ... he had gone away on vacation or business? Last week, the car was gone from the driveway. Last night, yet another car was parked there. Sometimes, we must follow instinct or gut feeling.

One of the other board members remembered the other day that when the middle eastern man moved in, he was most anxious to know if homeowners could install direct tv. The small satellite dish appeared on his roof within one week. He never spoke to anyone else ever again. Coincidence?

82 posted on 10/19/2001 11:05:09 AM PDT by NYer
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To: shezza
Yeah, yeah. Semantics. What exactly is the official name of the cloth wound around the head of EVERY SINGLE MALE seen in photos of the al-Qaeda gang, Arabs, etc? Please enlighten us so we can use the correct term when talking about "rag-heads." Thank you ever so much.

The Arabs terrorists living in Afghanistan have adopted the head dress of their Pashtu hosts. It is not called a turban. I don't know the exact name.

83 posted on 10/19/2001 1:46:42 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: texasbluebell
See post 83.
84 posted on 10/19/2001 1:48:20 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Pokey78
bttt
85 posted on 10/19/2001 2:32:28 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Pokey78
Is Peggy Noonan a Freeper?
86 posted on 10/19/2001 2:36:05 PM PDT by tear_down_this_wall
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To: be-baw
I just wanted to make sure you saw this thread.
87 posted on 10/19/2001 2:54:47 PM PDT by Fixit
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To: Fixit
I did, and I thank you very much for making sure.
88 posted on 10/19/2001 3:58:42 PM PDT by be-baw
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To: Nogbad
"I've been in various countries in the Mid-East about 30 times and I've never seen anyone wearing a turban."

The Afghan Taliban spokesmen wear them. I just saw two of them on FOX being interviewed by the press. One was speaking, and one was interpreting into English.

89 posted on 10/19/2001 6:30:22 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: Queen Elizabeth of Iowa
The Afghan Taliban spokesmen wear them.

Yes, some Afghanis wear some kind of a cloth wrapped about their head.
So I suppose that is an exception if you consider Afghanistan as part of the Middle East.
But I suspect a lot of Freepers who have never been outside the good old USA would be amazed
to learn that outside Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states most Middle Eastern men wear nothing on their head.

(Except you do see a lot of teen-agers with baseball caps on backwards, trying to imitate the American kids they see in the movies.)

90 posted on 10/20/2001 12:53:14 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Pokey78
Great post! Thank you. Peggy Noonan is my hero and a true lady. God bless her.
92 posted on 10/23/2001 11:44:46 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: BibChr
Part of the current problem in American thinking stems from the Liberal Society being successful in substituting the definition of Bigotry for the word, Prejudice. Now Prejudice is the most sensible and basic of human skills. It's a component of intuition, custom, taboo and plain common sense. Peggy points out that without being able to resort to sensible Prejudice for fear of Bigotry, we are ham-strung and thinking people.
93 posted on 10/23/2001 11:55:15 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: RaceBannon
Bump for RaceBannon.

When Frank Sinatra was still with us, it is said that he had devised a strategy so that he could live a semi-normal life in public.

Sinatra, of course, was almost universally recognized, and frequently interrupted by strangers; strangers who were not necessarily of sound mind.

What was Mr. Sinatra's credo for survival?

Be Awake, Be Alert, Be Aware.

Now, for our survival, we must all make a concerted effort to live this way!

Race, I recall you posting about an incident where someone made a strange comment to you. Is your search related?

Please all:

Be Awake, Be Alert, Be Aware!

94 posted on 02/09/2002 6:01:08 PM PST by Museum Twenty
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To: GodBlessPeggyNoonan
On Nov. 11th, Le Monde ran a story about the arrest of five Islamists in Strasbourg, who were suspected of planning an attack on Strasbourg Cathedral. According to the article, police in Frankfurt in Germany had seized during a raid a few months earlier an Islamist videotape which had shots of Strasbourg Cathedral and the nearby Christmas Market and called for destroying "the temple of the enemies of God."

I think I read shortly thereafter that the five had been released. However, I think I have read in the Washington Post within the past few days that the French police have recently arrested another Islamist on suspicion of having planned to attack a French cathedral.

95 posted on 02/15/2002 6:22:40 AM PST by aristeides
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