Skip to comments.Clinton and the Taliban
Posted on 10/18/2001 11:30:13 PM PDT by Republican_Strategist
Now I wanted to bring something to your attention something that I think hasnt received any real coverage by the media. I dont want to sound too presumptuous, but it would seem that Bill Clinton authorized and created the terrorist Taliban group and backed them from 1994 to 1997. It seems he and his administration had a sympathetic view of the Taliban seizing power in Afghanistan.
A certain book coincidentally called Taliban may have some information on the Clinton administrations support of the Taliban. The author is one Ahmed Rashid. The primary source was Dana Rohrabacher, a representative and a republican in California has been very vocal about this very thing and has been critical of this long before the Sept. 11th attacks.
According to Rohrabacher, the Clinton administration played a role in creating the Taliban by giving a green light to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other gulf states to fund, direct, and organize the Taliban. Rohrabacher said at one point on the house floor in a Sept. 17th  speech that the Clinton administration promised Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that it wouldnt overthrow the Taliban. The UPI reported it.
Also he made all to familiar accusations during the past eight years. He accused a department; the state department to be exact, of key withholding documents that would show the Clinton administration supported the terrorist Taliban movement and its seizure of power in Afghanistan. The official he blamed specifically was assistant secretary at that time, one Karl Inderfurth.
Furthermore it seems one Robin Raphel, Clintons assistant secretary of state for south Asia affairs until mid-1997, is believed to be instrumental in the rise of the Taliban. She lived in Pakistan for a number of years and her husband was U.S. ambassador to that country. He was killed in a bombing that also removed a Pakistani dictator.
One report suggested that several Islamic states expressed the belief that Raphel and other U.S. officials along with Afghans in the U.S. were on the payroll of Unocals payroll. They cite that she provided a fiery defense of Unocal and especially the Taliban in negotiations with the Afghanistan government.
During such an encounter, Raphel's words -- in effect asking the government to "give it up" -- were so insulting that Ahmad Shah Masood, Afghanistan's two-decade national resistance leader, threw down his trademark pakol cap, pointed to it and said, "I will continue to defend Afghanistan even if I control no more land than the size of this cap!"
It seems this teeth-shattering reply and unexpected blow to Raphel was the last straw. According to Afghan government intelligence sources, soon after this heated negotiation session the Taliban -- newly supplied with night-vision instruments, satellite maps, and other sophisticated gear -- aided by hundreds of Arab militants, Pakistani extremists and camouflaged Pakistan Army regulars stormed into Jalalabad and then into the Afghan capital.
Suffice it to say that during both terms in office, Clinton and his State Department were pulling for a Taliban military victory. Clinton administration jubilation at such a victory was mainly rooted in its support of oil and gas pipelines. Dana Rohrabacher in his 19 May 2000 interview with Omaid Weekly accused the Clinton administration of providing covert support to the Taliban.
Those people who are just infatuated with Clinton know they cant defend such a thing and with that they merely seek to counter balance it with Reagans support of Afghan fighters in their fight with the Soviets. If anything they in some way feel they can balance a Clinton failure with a brilliant Reagan success. Reagan took an action that crippled our worst enemy, the Soviet Union, and that played a crucial role in the downfall of the Soviet Union.
As for Bin Laden, he worked closely with Pakistani military officials and Saudi intelligence officials, but he did not have a relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency, which also supported the Afghan resistance. Milt Bearden, the CIA station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, denied cooperating with bin Laden, but he knew of his efforts. Bin Laden was there using his familys 5 billion dollar fortune and construction business.
It seems Bin Laden served primarily as a fund-raiser and recruiter who publicized the jihad and helped transport Arab volunteers to Afghanistan. He became more involved in the logistics of supporting the jihad, bringing earth-moving equipment from his familys construction company to carve out roads and bunkers in the rugged terrain of eastern Afghanistan along the border with Pakistan. It is important to point out he became a terrorist threat during the Clinton administration, which missed at least to key opportunities to get him.
As for the stinger missiles we supplied to Afghanistan, the U.S. had a buyback program. It was estimated that we supplied them with over a thousand. Out of that we managed to by some 450 of them, plus you have to minus the ones used and it would seem that there were very few left. Then factoring in time and deterioration, it would seem unlikely that there are any operable stingers left supplied by the U.S.
So as we now began to introduce troops in Afghanistan, we must be keenly aware of the Clinton administrations support of the terrorist Taliban, we must be aware of the Clinton administrations failure to capture or take out Bin Laden on two occasions, and we must stand for people deflecting from these facts by dredging up Reagans overwhelming success in the region.
Clinton it is obvious, other than depositing love juice in the Oval office sink,
spent the majority of his time in office aiding and abetting foriegn dictators.
He makes look Benedict Arnold look like a Congressional Medal of Honor winner.
Clinton was a troubled child and his disturbed personality determined all of his actions. He only cared about one thing, his own power. To him the game was "get in office and stay in office". Things like foreign policy were only a means to that end.
It is sad that the tactics that were so effective in bringing and keeping an adulterous cokehead liar in office turned out to be the "rope-a-dope" but that was his brilliantly effective method of getting and keeping power: "Let them get tired from hitting me."
So when he committed adultery, it wasn't like "no, never" for very long, from fairly early on Hillary and Bill deflated their opponents with "yup, we did it" and throughout his corrupt political career he had a formulaic "Ah was wrong, can y'all forgive me" approach that took the steam out of his opponent.
Any other politician at any level in any country in the world would have been shamed out of office for things Clinton would freely admit. He was like "here I am, I'm your punching bag."
And he brought that same method to US foreign policy: "here we are, we're your punching bag."
Such a devious approach that can keep a President in office for 8 years will not provide such fine results for a country: we saw the results of Clinton's policies very clearly on 9/11.
It was control of the drugs, the drug routes, and money lines. It was pure filthy greed which had nothing to do with anything for this country, but plenty to do with lining the pockets of the criminalistas. Screwing with the stock market was supposed to cover it all up. They expected Gore to win election. He didn't. Go to Plan B.
Plan B couldn't be completed because none of them gave Bush credit for having any brains. He probably saved more lives on September 11 than anyone will ever know.
Do you put it past any of them?
Everywhere there is Islamic radicalism and Jihad, there is a poppy or coca field not too far away. That is why Bin Laden's reach has so many tentacles, and that is why clinton disappeared right before every major catastrophe heaped on Americans by the Islamic fundies every time, all the time...including THIS time. And that is why Jesse the bagman got to travel to every country clinton shook down. He was a courier, the special ambassador from hell.
When Bush pulled the PROMIS software, he rendered the bastards blind. The clinton state department has been so inundated with disinformation, they stay permanently seasick. Nothing they have done has deterred Bush in anything he has planned. And he has planned to bring clinton down. Period. With all of his friends.
The blown up African embassies were to cover the thefts of millions of dollars. Kosovo was for the minerals and metals, AND the drug route. Columbia is for the gems and metals and the Cocaine. Sudan was to warn the Sudanese government to stay OUT of Bin Laden's business. The Cole was a bribe to Mubarak. And Israel was supposed to be shut off as the tech wonder of the Near East because they had the goods on clinton but couldn't use it...until now. Or do you think that Netanyahu's sudden closeness to GW is simple coincidence?
Yep. I know. What *proof* do I have? My question would be, what more proof do you need? There has been an awful lot of talk about good and evil here lately. Is there anybody here at all who doesn't believe the clintons are pure evil?
One more thing. I don't think that clinton was necessarily the brains behind any of this...or Bin Laden either, for that matter. I DO think this is the first REAL opportunity we have had to get behind the smoke and mirrors because the man in the White House is righteous. Not simply religiously righteous. Just GOOD to the marrow.
Clinton didn't do it all on his own. Why were the Feds looking the other way. How come the Germans missed out on Atta although they delivered Salim over 3 years ago?
Why did this junior official hand out the licences for haz-chem drivers?
Why did Bomber Blair let out 400 terrorists, bombers, murderers, torturers and assorted psychopaths from prison and give IRA terrorists Ministerial jobs?
Everyone knows that drugs fund the IRA / UVF, IRA terrorists appear in Colombia teaching FARC how to terrorise (as if they need help), does the UK do anything?No.
The egyptians wanted UK to extradite a terrorist, Blair refuses, The French reasonably call it LOndonistas, This Algerian pilot Lotfi Riaiss who helped train Atta and the others is in custody, any reasonable government would stick him on a plane to the US pronto. They say it will take 3 years and £3mn of public money beforte he goes. I'll take any bet you want he never gets to the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I don't hold any brief for the Arkansaw crook, or his hideous wife, but he didn't do it alone.
BTW, welcome to FR.
And he [Rohrbacher] has much much more info than is revealed .
The right time, and the right place will see the Clinton's long twisting fuse burn right down to the explosion which will expose them for the white trash and grifters that they are...
so much for his "legacy"-kapoot.
Also he made all to familiar accusations during the past eight years. He accused a department; the state department to be exact, of key withholding documents that would show the Clinton administration supported the terrorist Taliban movement and its seizure of power in Afghanistan. The official he blamed specifically was assistant secretary at that time, one Karl Inderfurth.
Thanks for the post. The archives are unavailable, so I couldn't find the original post of the UPI article, but it is copied in reply #36 on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ef55d04ce3.htm
GOP House member alleges policy coverup - US support of Taliban militia in Afghanistan ?
Crime/Corruption News Keywords: "WEASEL WORDS"
Published: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 22:35 (GMT) Author: JOE WARMINSKY
Posted on 10/20/1999 19:36:10 PDT by Vitolins
WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 (UPI) - Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., ripped into Assistant Secretary of State Karl Inderfurth at a House hearing on Wednesday, accusing the State Department of withholding key documents he said would show that the United States had supported the ruling Taliban militia in Afghanistan.
Rohrabacher said Republicans had asked Secretary of State Madeleine Albright for Taliban-related documents from the State Department last year, but only a few had been delivered.
"The lack of courage and the incomprehensible policies of the Clinton administration (have) created a crisis in Central Asia where there was none," Rohrabacher said at a House International Relations Committee where Inderfurth testified on Wednesday.
"As far as I'm concerned, it's a shameful record, and the coverup of the information for us to determine what that policy was is even more shameful," the congressman added.
Inderfurth, in response, said the State Department has sent three shipments of documents, including classified information, to Rohrabacher and is planning four overall.
Inderfurth said he had reviewed the documents, and "they offer absolutely no support for (Rohrabacher's) contention that the U.S. government has now or in the past had a covert policy of support for the Taliban."
Later in the hearing, Rohrabacher shouted at Inderfurth and accused him of using "weasel words" after Inderfurth denied having seen any documents that would indicate the Clinton administration had backed the Taliban, which controls about 90 percent of Afghanistan.
36 Posted on 10/19/2000 17:30:36 PDT by OKCSubmariner
http://www.dso.com Sources 9/21/99 Dr Clifford Kiracofe "...The Clinton administration for months has refused to turn over to Congress foreign policy documents that implicate it in the Taliban reign of terror in Afghanistan, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), told SOURCES. A number of members of the U.S. House of Representatives believe the Clinton Administration played a key role in creating the Taliban by giving a "green light" to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to organize, fund and direct the terrorist movement that has now taken control of Afghanistan, he said. "We have tried for a year and a half to obtain documents on our Afghan policy," Rohrabacher told SOURCES in an exclusive interview Friday. Rohrabacher says he has evidence the Clinton administration encouraged and approved the creation of the terrorist Taliban movement. Certain key officials in Middle Eastern countries have confirmed the administration's role in direct conversations with him. He also explained he has additional evidence from a number of confidential sources close to the matter. Meanwhile, Rohrabacher believes the State Department is stonewalling his requests for information on its policy toward the Taliban because administration officials fear the disclosure of facts to Congress would confirm a U.S. role in the operation involving the fundamentalist Islamic movement. Nonetheless, Rohrabacher, who is a member of the International Relations Committee, is pressing on with his requests for documentation of U.S. policy. "Our Chairman, Congressman Gilman, and others are supportive," he told SOURCES. The Taliban regime in Afghanistan is now an "epicenter" of international terrorism, Rohrabacher told SOURCES. A key aide in the Reagan White House and a journalist by profession, Rohrabacher said he saw Osama bin Laden's camp during a secret visit to Afghanistan in 1988. Rohrabacher has closely followed Afghan affairs for over a decade. Rohrabacher confirmed recent SOURCES reports regarding the formation of the Taliban by the Pakistani Interior Ministry and Inter-Services-Intelligence organization (ISI). Rohrabacher said there is no question Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States were brought in to finance the operation....."
UPI 10/20/99 Joe Warminsky "....Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., ripped into Assistant Secretary of State Karl Inderfurth at a House hearing on Wednesday, accusing the State Department of withholding key documents he said would show that the United States had supported the ruling Taliban militia in Afghanistan. Rohrabacher said Republicans had asked Secretary of State Madeleine Albright for Taliban-related documents from the State Department last year, but only a few had been delivered. "The lack of courage and the incomprehensible policies of the Clinton administration (have) created a crisis in Central Asia where there was none," Rohrabacher said at a House International Relations Committee where Inderfurth testified on Wednesday.....Later in the hearing, Rohrabacher shouted at Inderfurth and accused him of using "weasel words" after Inderfurth denied having seen any documents that would indicate the Clinton administration had backed the Taliban, which controls about 90 percent of Afghanistan...."
The site won't allow a direct link, but if you search on Rohrabacher and use the keyword, "Taliban" the links to these speeches will come up.
RELATING TO REESTABLISHMENT OF REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT IN AFGHANISTAN -- (House of Representatives - October 24, 2000)
Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from California (Mr. ROHRABACHER), the sponsor of this resolution, who has a very special expertise in matters of Afghanistan.
Mr. ROHRABACHER. Mr. Speaker, the Taliban represent one of the great threats to stability and peace and civility on this planet. They, in fact, represent an aspect of Islam that if accepted and if influencing other areas of the world will have a tremendously, tremendously negative impact on the peace of the world but also the well-being of women who are in these Muslim countries who would then become chattel and treated like slaves, which is what happens under the Taliban's rule.
The Taliban is anti-Western beyond belief. They treat their own people like tyrants, and vicious tyrants at that. They are engaged in terrorism against the West. They are involved up to their eyeballs in the drug trade. One-third of all of the world's heroin is grown in Taliban -controlled territory in Afghanistan. These people are evil, and they
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pose a threat to the Western world; but also they pose a threat to those positive elements among the Muslim world that would seek to be part of the world community and are responsible in their behavior and believe in the Western-style democracy or at least Western-style freedom for their people.
Unfortunately, over the years, as I have worked with the pro-Western elements within Afghanistan, I have been undermined over and again by our own State Department. This administration, and I really am sorry that I have to say this on the floor, this administration I honestly believe has had a policy, a covert policy, of supporting the Taliban, believing that the Taliban will at least create stability in Afghanistan. This is like the stability that Adolf Hitler brought to Europe, or the stability that prison guards bring to a prison. Yet we know that the Taliban's repression, their involvement with drugs and terrorism, is almost unconscionable.
Now, why do I say this administration has failed on this point? Because the administration has time and again undermined efforts on this Congressman's part to support those people who are opposing the Taliban in Afghanistan. My efforts and the efforts of other moderate Muslims have been undermined over and over again. In fact, this administration disarmed the opposition, was part and parcel of disarming the opposition to the Taliban, who then moved forward and wiped out their opposition in northern Afghanistan. It is a horrendous, horrendous legacy that we have to deal with now that this administration's policies have led to bolstering this horrible regime.
I would ask that this resolution be supported because it does offer another alternative. There is a king of Afghanistan who is pro-Western and a very reasonable person and tried to lead his country, where women had their rights respected under the former king. He was overthrown at a time just before the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. We need to work with that former king to bring about a democratic government. The people are not fanatics in Afghanistan. They are devoted Muslims, but they are not fanatics like the Taliban. They are dedicated people who love their families; yet they have been abandoned after their fight with the Soviet Union; they have been abandoned to forces like the Taliban.
Let me just say that the Taliban, by and large, and I know this very well because I, probably the only Member of this body now, was in Afghanistan during the war, fighting the Russians with the Mujadin, and I was there in 1988 with the Mujadin and I know the commanders. The Taliban are not the Mujadin who fought the Russians. Unfortunately, once the Mujadin had defeated the Russians, the United States walked away and we did not support the type of elements that would have created a more positive country in Afghanistan, and other anti-Western Muslim countries moved in to get control of the drug trade and to create this monstrous regime.
We need to reassert ourselves and to become a positive force for the people of Afghanistan so they can determine their own destiny through elections, and this Loya Jirgah would be the first step in doing that. That is part of their culture.
I would like to commend the gentleman from New York (Chairman GILMAN), who over the years of me trying to find peace and getting rid of this horrible Taliban regime, he has been so active and supportive of my efforts, and over and over again he joined with me in calling for the State Department to provide me the documents to find out if indeed our State Department had this horrible policy of supporting the Taliban, and the State Department has not provided us the documents that we need to determine whether or not these charges are false or not.
What does that say if the State Department is unwilling to provide those documents? So I would like to commend the gentleman from New York (Chairman GILMAN). He has done so much for the cause of peace and justice in this part of the world and to create a more stable world, especially concerning the Taliban.
VOICING CONCERN ABOUT SERIOUS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS IN MOST STATES OF CENTRAL ASIA -- (House of Representatives - October 30, 2000)
On top of that, there is one other factor that needs to be looked at about what is creating the cycle of violence which will lead to such turmoil. That is what? American policy towards Afghanistan.
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This Member, and anyone who is in the Committee on International Relations will testify, for years I have been warning what the results of this administration's policy towards Afghanistan would be. Years, I predicted over and over again that, unless we did something in Afghanistan to change the situation, that we would end up with Afghanistan as a center of, number one, terrorism, a base for terrorism for the Central Asia but also for the world; that it would be repressive and have one of the most repressive and fanatic regimes and anti-Western regimes on the planet; and, number three, it would be the center for the growth of heroin and that it would put all of the resources that, the billions of dollars one receives from the growth of one-third of the world's heroin in the hands of these religious fanatics. That is exactly what has happened.
Yes, it is heroin money in the hands of the Taliban leaders that are fanning this, the flame of discontent and violence in Central Asia that takes advantage of the dictatorships. The dictators should not just focus, however, on trying to wipe out their opponents and wipe out these fundamentalist movements. They should focus on trying to create a democratic alternative so that people in those countries once be attracted to this type of fanaticism.
Even the people of Afghanistan are not attracted to the fanaticism of the Taliban. The Taliban have an iron-fisted control there and have steadily refused to have democratic elections.
It is my sad, sad duty to, again, repeat the charge on the floor of the House of Representatives, as I have on numerous occasions in the Committee on International Relations, that this administration, not only has discarded human rights and democracy as a priority but has a covert police of supporting one of the worst governments and oppressive governments in the world; and I am talking about the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
I have tried to investigate this for years, and I have been repeatedly cut off by the State Department from receiving the documents that would disprove, and I would like to disprove this charge, because it is a shame for any American to think that our government would be supporting this regime.
But I can testify here today that, every time the opposition to the Taliban has had a chance of dislodging the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, this administration has run to their rescue time and time again.
Now, people do not know, even in this body, do not know the details, much less the American people. But those are the facts, and I can verify that over and over again.
AMERICAN EMBASSY SECURITY ACT OF 1999 -- (House of Representatives - July 19, 1999)
Mr. ROHRABACHER. Mr. Chairman, I rise to commend the gentleman from New York (Mr. GILMAN) on his leadership on H.R. 2415, which, of course, emphasizes the need to enhance the security of the United States overseas diplomatic missions as well as our U.S. personnel overseas.
As the gentleman from New York (Mr. GILMAN) has stated, among the greatest threats to the security of American diplomatic missions and personnel is by Osama bin Laden and his legion of terrorists who train and operate out of Afghanistan. The primary benefactors of bin Laden's terrorists are elements in Pakistan and the extremist Taliban militia, who not only host and protect bin Laden but have imposed a reign of terror on the people of Afghanistan and especially on the women of Afghanistan.
Mr. Chairman, on numerous occasions I have charged and I repeat today that the Clinton administration, despite statements to the contrary, has a covert policy of cooperating with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that has orchestrated the creation, the rise to power, and the ongoing tyranny of the Taliban. The Taliban are now competing with SLORC, the SLORC dictatorship in Burma, for the role of the world's largest producer of opium. They are harboring anti-American terrorists such as bin Laden, and the Taliban's fanatical leaders are waging a psychotic reign of terror on millions of women in Afghanistan.
On August 25, 1998, using my oversight responsibility as a senior member of the House Committee on International Relations, I sent a letter to the Department of State requesting the pertinent cables and documents related to U.S. policy on Afghanistan, especially when it relates to the Taliban. The State Department ignored my original request.
As the Taliban's tyranny against women and human rights abuses against their entire population intensified in Afghanistan, and at committee hearings, I repeatedly restated my call and my request for documents to the Assistant Secretary of State Rick Indefurth and other State Department officials.
And even as my requests for information were ignored, actions taken by the State Department seemed to confirm my charges of a covert U.S. policy of support for the extremist Taliban cult in Afghanistan.
In November of 1998, at a closed hearing on Iraq, for the record, I asked Secretary of State Madeleine Albright when the Afghanistan material that I requested would be delivered. She said it would be coming soon.
Christmas, Hannukah, and the New Year came and went and still no documents.
At the outset of this Congressional session, in February at a full committee hearing in full public, I reminded Secretary Albright of her commitment to release the Afghan documents. At that time the gentleman from New York (Chairman GILMAN) supported my request for the record. Again Secretary Albright told us the documents were forthcoming.
During the following weeks, my staff and the committee staff of the gentleman from New York (Chairman GILMAN) continued to call on the State Department about this commitment for Afghan documents.
To cut the story down to size here, we still have not had one document from the State Department that would either confirm or disprove my charges. I am, therefore, ever more convinced and I would hope the women who have testified here today will join me in insisting that the State Department provide requested documents that would prove one way or the other whether or not this administration is again committing a sin against the people of the world whether it believes in human rights in supporting the Taliban , one of the world's worst human rights abusers and one of the world's worst enemies of women's freedom.
So I would ask my fellow colleagues to join me. After over a year of stonewalling and blockading our attempts to get to the information, I ask Members on both sides of the aisle to join me in getting the State Department to give up this stonewalling and to give us the pertinent information about Afghan policy and what the real position of this government is.
DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND STATE, THE JUDICIARY, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2000 -- (House of Representatives - August 05, 1999)
Mr. ROHRABACHER. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, as we vote today for or against the appropriation that will pay for the State Department's operating expenses, I would like to draw the attention of my colleagues to an ongoing controversy concerning the State Department's dealings with the Taliban regime that now controls Afghanistan. The Taliban, I remind my colleagues, have been ruling most of Afghanistan with an iron fist. They are competing with the SLORC dictatorship in Burma for the role of the world's largest producer of heroin. They are harboring anti-American terrorists like Osama bin Laden and other murderers who have killed and maimed Americans in attacks like those on American embassies in Africa.
The Taliban fanatical leaders are waging a psychotic war of terror and repression against anything that they deem Western and have singled out women in Afghanistan as the targets of their medieval wrath. In short, they are to women what the Nazis were to Jews in the 1930's. Specifically, they are a monstrous threat to the freedom and well-being of tens of millions of women who live in Muslim countries around the world.
Now here is the kicker. Under the Clinton administration, the Taliban has established control over most of Afghanistan and has wiped out its opposition. Rather than being a force to combat the expansion of the Taliban, it appears that the United States under this administration has acquiesced to Taliban rule and even undermined the resistance to the Taliban. In short, it appears that the United States may have a covert policy of supporting the Taliban.
As a senior member of the Committee on International Relations, I requested documents well over a year ago that would confirm or lay to rest this suspicion about possible U.S. support for the Taliban. I repeatedly requested Assistant Secretary of State Rick Indefurth and other State Department officials formally and informally, officially and unofficially, to provide the documentation.
The chairman of the Committee on International Relations, the gentleman from New York (Mr. GILMAN), joined me in this request. Secretary of State Albright made a commitment to the committee during a hearing that documents would be forthcoming, and that was November of last year. After over a year of stalling and foot dragging, a year of either cover-up or incompetence, the State Department finally turned over a small batch of documents a couple of weeks ago, and only, by the way only then, after the chairman, Chairman GILMAN, threatened to subpoena.
Mr. Chairman, the paltry packet delivered from the State Department contained for the most part photocopies of newspaper articles about Afghanistan. This arrogance should be noted as we vote for the State Department's budget. This thumbing their noses at Congressional oversight cannot and should not be tolerated. This is an issue of utmost importance, and at this point, Mr. Chairman, I insert into the RECORD a letter that I sent yesterday to Assistant Secretary of State Indefurth:
CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES,
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
Washington, DC, August 3, 1999.
Hon. KARL F. INDEFURTH,
Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs, Department of State, Washington, D.C.
DEAR SECRETARY INDEFURTH: After over a year of requesting documents and information concerning the Administration's policies and activities concerning Afghanistan and the Taliban, your office transmitted an envelope with pitifully few documents. Most of those documents were photocopies of newspaper articles. You may think this is funny, Mr. Indefurth. It is an insult to me as a senior member of the International Relations committee, it is an insult to Chairman Gilman who joined me in this request, and it is an affront to the Congress. Your actions suggest a disdain for Congress' oversight responsibility.
Let me again remind you, I have asked for all documents concerning administration policy toward Afghanistan and the Taliban, including cables and diplomatic correspondence with American diplomats engaged in foreign policy initiatives and analysis. Chairman Gilman joined me in that request over six months ago. In November of last year, Secretary Albright promised the Committee that the requested documents would be forthcoming. As far as I am concerned, you are in contempt of Congress in both a legal and personal sense. There is no excuse for the delays and stonewalling instead of providing information requested by a legitimate Congressional oversight committee.
There are only a few explanations for your continued intransigence in meeting this lawful request for documents and information. All of those explanations reflect poorly on you, Secretary Albright and the Administration as a whole. Incompetence may be a reason, raw arrogance may be a reason. However, it is also possible, considering other actions taken by you and the Administration, that what we see is a reflection of a coverup of a covert policy supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Considering the Taliban's assault on human rights, especially those of Afghan women, the charges of a convert policy of support for the Taliban deserved the utmost clarification by your office through the documents I requested. Instead, we've had delay and obfuscation. Taliban's current offensive aimed at destroying the last remnants of resistance to their tyrannical rule, makes your actions even more questionable. This letter will be sent to every member of the International Relations Committee and will be made part of the Congressional Record. Upon return from the Summer break, I will be asking that subpoenas be issued and that prosecution for contempt of Congress be considered.
Member of Congress.
At this moment the Taliban are on an offensive that it is attempting to wipe out its last resistance, and that is about 10 percent of the country that now is in the Panjer Valley and that has resisted the Taliban efforts, and that is under a man named Commander Massoud. This is a life and death struggle. Thousands of people are being killed. Unfortunately, the people of Afghanistan who fought so bravely as friends of the United States and helped us end the Cold War, we now have deserted them; and it is possible that we are actually helping their oppressors.
Unfortunately, it appears that the Saudis and the Pakistanis have sent foreign troops into Afghanistan with the acquiescence of the United States. I hope that the people of Afghanistan understand that as this offensive against Massoud and the Panjer Valley goes forward this is their chance to rise up against the Taliban and to win their own freedom, because I am afraid that as long as this administration is in Washington, D.C., that we will not be taking those efforts to support the freedom-loving people of Afghanistan who stood with us against the Soviet Union; and instead it is possible that we have a covert policy of supporting the Taliban control, which would be a monstrous violation of the principles of freedom and justice for all that our country supposedly stands for.
So I would ask my colleagues to pay attention to this, and I would ask the State Department to please provide the documentation that I have been trying and I am asking for for over a year, when the gentleman from New York (Mr. GILMAN) has been asking for it for over a year and not to arrogantly thumb their noses at us by sending us newspaper clippings in response to our request for official documents.
Could have been someone who didn't like charlie trie ransacking the commerce dept too!
That's old news, man.
the butler--it was a treason triangle!
from FR article -- Clinton/Gore Links to Middle East Terrorists
Further after the attack from Rohrbaher:
at this posting.
All I know is that bin-Laden is a money man for al-Qaeda, OKC had a middle easterner involved, Russia appears to be cooperating out of guilt over proliferation, the Chinese don't care, Israel is enflamed with fighting, BCCI is involved in the past for the Saudis and bin Laden, Hillary kisses Raisa, Arafat is walking dead, Jayna Davis knows a whole lot that is unspoken, tac nukes are on the table, and the govt is buying 300 million smallpox shots.
By the time this all gets sorted out Foster and any remaining tenuous thread to the past will be obliterated by current events, sorry.
9/7/00 Freeper Rayelan " . This article appeared in the August issue of The Media Bypass magazine and is reposted here with the permission of James R. Norman. Subscriptions of Media Bypass can be obtained by calling 1-800-4-BYPASS .. Two weeks before his death on July 20, 1993, White House Deputy Counsel Vincent W. Foster went into a deep funk. The official cause of death, given by former Independent Counsel Robert Fiske Jr., was suicide drivenby depression over, among other things, several newspaper editorials. But Vince Foster had a much bigger and darker reason to be seriously burned out. He had just learned he was under investigation for espionage. ......... Outrageous? To say the least. But a lengthy investigation has located over a dozen sources with connections to the intelligence community who confirm a shocking story of money laundering and espionage connected to the highest levels of the White House. Without grants of immunity, the sources risk going to prison for violation of the National Security Act. Virtually all have demanded anonymity. ........., According to a veteran Central Intelligence Agency operative close to the Foster investigation, Foster's first indication of trouble came when he inquired about his coded bank account at Banca Della Svizzera Italiana in Chiasso, Switzerland and found the account empty. Foster was shocked to learn from the bank that someone using his secret authorization code had withdrawn all $2.73 million he had stashed there and had moved it to, of all places, the U.S. Treasury. . Then, according to credit card records reviewed by a private investigator who has revealed them, Foster canceled the two-day round-trip TWA and Swiss Air plane tickets to Geneva he had purchased on his American Express card through the White House travel office on July 1. ..Discretely he began asking what was afoot, says the CIA source, confirming that someone in the White House tipped him off. It was bad news. The CIA had Foster under serious investigation for leaking high-security secrets to the State of Israel. ......"
Response from Michael Rivero " This story was floated back in 1993 when the suicide cover story began to collapse. The implication was that if Foster was murdered, he deserved it, and everyone should just (nudge nudge wink wink) accept the suicide lie because it was "National Security". .. But there are several problems with the story. First and foremost is that Vince Foster did not commit suicide. He was murdered and the phony suicide staged to conceal the murder. The forensics on the gun alone prove that it was not the gun that was used to fire a shot into Foster's mouth, but simply planted as a prop. ......, Yet another problem is that the real Israeli spy in the White House, code named "Mega", was still being sought by the FBI long after Foster was dead and buried. The hunt for Mega was called off by Bill Clinton, supposedly because the Mossad had tapped Monica Lewinsky's phone at the Watergate and recorded some phone sex sessions. Thirdly, there has never been any documentation that this mythical bank account ever existed, let alone was cleaned out without Foster's knowledge. To take another example, nobody has emptied Wen Ho Lee's bank account yet, nor were the bank accounts of the Walkers or Aldrich Ames tampered with. Which brings us to the next point. Ames and the Walkers were a tremendous embarassment to the US Government. But they were not killed and dumped in a suburban park. They were sent to trial and an example made of them. . Fonally, this mythical fifth column never existed. That was a cover story placed on the very obvious and sudden resignation of career politicians, in one case with re-election posters already printed and on the alls, supposedly in response to blackmail information (FBI files data) delivered by an "angel of death". The online shills tried to sell the idea that this mythical "5th column" was taking it upon themselves to root out and destroy corrupt politicians, except that nobody in the Clinton White House, arguably the greatest collection of corruption to ever inhabit the place, ever received a visit from the angel. .."
WorldNetDaily 9/13/00 Paul Sperry " Lending credence to complaints of a botched investigation, Former Special Counsel Robert Fiske never seized nor even tried to seize Vincent Foster's computer as evidence after the deputy White House counsel died unexpectedly in 1993, WorldNetDaily has learned. Only now are agents for the latest independent counsel, Robert Ray, trying to look at all the files, deleted and undeleted, on what appears to be Foster's hard drive. They're also trying to interview former White House officials who handled the drive, including Jim "Mack" MacDonald, the computer division chief whose story has gone untold -- until now. . Not until Fiske's successor, Kenneth Starr, took over the investigation in August 1994 -- a year after Foster's death -- did authorities become interested in seizing Foster's computer, MacDonald says.. .MacDonald, former director of the White House's Information Systems and Technology division, says FBI agents paid him a visit at his New Executive Office Building office in the summer of 1994. "It was embarrassing for them to ask (for Foster's computer)," he recalled. "I mean, they had no idea where this thing was." . An inventory check by MacDonald showed Foster's computer missing at the time. It was supposed to be in his old West Wing office. So agents went away empty-handed. . Several months later, MacDonald says he stumbled on the central-processing unit, or CPU, of Foster's computer while in a meeting in an office on the 2nd Floor of the Old Executive Office Building. He says he spotted it on the floor and asked, "Whose PC is that?" No one knew, he says, so he checked it out. "When I picked it up and looked at the serial number, I about fell over, because it was the Foster serial number we'd been looking for," MacDonald said. "I crossed Pennsylvania Avenue and carried it over to the Data Center on the 4th Floor in the NEOB." He says he wrapped it in plastic, affixed a label to it -- "FOSTER PC" -- and placed it in a tall, wheeled cabinet on the north wall near the VAX mainframes. He says he then locked the cabinet doors. ...... .. A White House employee, however, has sworn that MacDonald was more than just nervous. . "After Vincent Foster died, I received a call from Jim MacDonald, who wanted me to meet him outside to go for a ride with him. During that ride, Mr. MacDonald informed me that he had found Vincent Foster's computer," said Howard "Chip" Sparks in a June 19 federal court affidavit. Sparks, a White House computer network specialist, worked for MacDonald. "In the wake of the mysterious circumstances surrounding Mr. Foster's death, Mr. MacDonald was extremely upset by his discovery," Sparks added. "And he told me that he was concerned that he would be killed because of what he had found." Asked about it, MacDonald downplayed Sparks' account, insisting: "I didn't think someone would shoot me." ......... ."
WorldNetDaily 9/13/00 Paul Sperry " Here is Hall's version of what happened. .. Shortly after finding Foster's CPU, Hall says MacDonald asked her to tap one of her technicians, Dorothy "Dottie" Crumling, to run a software program to break into some of Foster's password-protected files. The exercise worked. She says they were able to read one file that revealed Foster and his wife had plans for the night of July 20, 1993 -- the day he was found dead. .. Later in 1994, Hall says MacDonald had a former White House computer contractor, Mike Saunders, remove the hard drive from Foster's CPU. MacDonald kept it in his office, she says. ."It was on Mack's desk," she said. When MacDonald left the White House the next year, he gave the hard drive to Jurg Hochuli, who was the Office of Administration finance director, Hall says. "Jurg had it on a bookshelf behind his desk," she said. ...... Hall came into possession of the hard drive after she says MacDonald, who hired her, called her and asked her to pick it up from Hochuli, who transferred to the State Department. He now works there under former top Clinton aide Patsy Thomasson. . "Mack called me from California and told me to get it," Hall said. "I've often wondered why he did it." . Hall took the hard drive home. A few years ago, she says, Starr's investigators interviewed her about the White House phone records. Hall at one time was in charge of the PBX system there, too. And Foster's computer got brought up. Hall says she later agreed to give senior counsel Jay Apperson half of the hard drive (her husband split up the disks). She held back half of it for "insurance," saying she didn't trust Starr. Now Ray's office has the whole drive. And Hall has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury. ......She says she was granted immunity from prosecution for taking possession of the Foster hard drive in exchange for the evidence and her testimony. She demanded her husband also be granted immunity before she'd cooperate. Don Hall, a computer contractor, took the hard drive apart. . "
Accuracy in Media 7/13/00 Reed Irvine " The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has ordered a federal district court in California to examine in camera photographs of former White House Deputy Counsel Vincent W. Foster, Jr. that were taken by the U.S. Park Police at the spot where his body was found on July 20, 1993. A three-judge panel ruled that the lower court had erred in dismissing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) suit filed by attorney Allan J. Favish against the Office of the Independent Counsel (OIC) for refusing to give Mr. Favish 10 color photos of Foster's body. ........., The OIC had argued that it was justified in refusing to grant Mr. Favish's request on the ground that release of the photos would constitute an invasion of the privacy of members of the Foster family because the photos are "graphic, explicit, and extremely upsetting." The appellate court said, "That description is not true of the photo already published in Time [magazine] and on television, showing a hand holding a gun. It may be true of the remaining nine photos. But no court has ever seen them....Balancing without a knowledge of what the photos show would be an exercise in the air. Accordingly, we return the case to the district court to examine the photos in camera and to balance the effect of their release on the privacy of the Foster family against the public benefit to be obtained by their release."........."
7/20/98 Michael Reagan "Around 1 p.m. on Tuesday, July 20, 1993, White House counsel Vincent Foster told Linda Tripp, "There are some M&Ms in the candy tray if you want them. I'll be back." Then he left the office. Five hours later, he was found dead in Fort Marcy Park, a gunshot wound in the back of his mouth. That was five years ago today. Despite a mountain of evidence that shows Foster didn't die in that park, Kenneth Starr closed the books on the case in August 1997. Even though the bullet was never found. Even though no motive was established. Even though the 27-piece "suicide note" that turned up days later was not a suicide note at all. Even though Foster's body was covered with fibers (as if it had been rolled up in a carpet). Even though there was no soil from the dusty footpath on his shoes. Investigators gave conflicting versions of almost every aspect of the evidence, including whether or not the bullet produced an exit wound, whether the wound was located in the head or neck, and even whether Foster was found on the ground or in his car. If Vince Foster pressed a .38 against the back of his mouth and pulled the trigger, there should have been burns and gunpowder deposits around the wound, as well as broken teeth and blood on the gun-barrel -- but there was none. The most intriguing evidence is this: Four different people searched Foster's pockets while the body was in the park, but couldn't find his car keys. There were no keys in Foster's Honda in the parking lot. Did the keys eventually turn up? Yes, they did. Where? At the morgue where Foster's body was taken. There, a check of his pockets -- which had already been found empty at the park -- revealed two sets of keys. Could four investigators have missed two sets of keys in Foster's pockets? ..two White House officials who were alone with Foster's body in the morgue shortly before the keys were found: (1) former Rose Law partner and Travelgate figure William Kennedy III, and (2) Craig Livingstone of Filegate fame..The night Foster died, a man named Jerry Luther Parks was watching TV in his Little Rock home when a news bulletin announced Foster's death. Parks turned pale. "I'm a dead man," he whispered ."
Washington Weekly 11/30/98 Marvin Lee ".The Secret Service says it has no logs or surveillance video showing the arrival or departure of Vince Foster to the White House on his last day of work, July 20, 1993.."
Vincent Foster was found with a .38 revolver made by Colt Arms, built from parts taken from two other guns, and having two serial numbers. There are contradictions between a blue/black gun and a silver colored gun separately identified, absence of Foster's fingerprints and blood, DNA inconclusive results and a lack of matching gunpowder and bullet fragment evidence.
LARRY NICHOLS: ".A lady came to me, scared to death, and wanted to come out and tell the truth. I said, "What's the matter?" She said, "They're shredding documents at the Rose Law firm." Well, I tried to tell the media. The media said there was no way that could be going on. Well, in came a journalist from a Washington newspaper. He goes over and investigates what I told him, and you know what? The very week he investigated, guess what they were doing? Shredding documents, right there at the Rose Law Firm. JEREMY HEDGES (Rose Law Firm paper shredder): They had his [Fosters] initials pretty much all over it, everything from the box to the manila files to -- I even saw his signature on one of the Rose Firm letterheads."
AP 7/15/95 "A burglar broke into the car of a White House lawyer preparing for Senate questioning in the Whitewater affair and stole copies of her handwritten notes about the handling of Vincent Foster's papers."
Chattanooga Free Press 7/14/95 Freeper Wallaby ".The car of an aide to President Clinton's chief counsel was burglarized this week and several "sensitive documents" were stolen, White House officials said late Thursday. ... The car belongs to Cheryl D. Mills, a special assistant to White House counsel Abner Mikva.."...."
Lisa Foster, widow of suicide victim Vince Foster, recently found a set of the Rose Law Firm billing records in her attic. These are not exact duplicates of the same records that showed up 2 years after they were subpoenaed - the ones found in the White House living quarters.
Washington Weekly 11/17/97 "...All these illegitimate uses of campaign money have one thing in common. The money need not be laundered. It need only be brought in from the donor. And brought in it was. In planeloads of cash, brought in through the remote Mena airport and transferred to the trunk of the Cadillac of bag man Jerry Parks who, according to the London Telegraph, together with Vince Foster transported the illegal cash to Little Rock. Both Foster and Parks are now dead, and we have no idea how much cash was brought in through this route, though we suspect it surpassed the amount of money that was laundered into legitimate political spending. Of all the bag men discovered so far, six are now dead, 36 have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, eleven have fled the country, and eleven are living in foreign countries and refuse to cooperate...."
American Spectator 2/1/98 " In his December 1997 Presswatch article, "Vince Foster Redux, " he takes aim at Christopher Ruddy and stands up to the ridiculous conspiracy theories. I was the first police officer on the scene at Fort Marcy. My colleagues and I have endured outrageous accusations concerning this case. In one instance I was accused, in print, of having murdered Mr. Foster at the Central Intelligence Agency. Later, I reportedly transported his body to Fort Marcy in the trunk of a police car! I have over ten years of federal law enforcement experience. Both my brother and I joined the United States Park Police together. Our father was a police officer, so working in the field of law enforcement was inherent to us. I have appeared before hundreds of formal judicial proceedings. Never has my credibility been questioned. But along comes Mr. Ruddy. Suddenly I am a conspirator in the murder of a high-ranking official. I cooperated in each investigation concerning this incident. I appeared before the grand jury for two days .. I can put up with the harassing post cards that I received, and telephone calls made to my family. I even laugh at the fact that Mr. Ruddy would follow officers home after work in order to interview them, so that the "truth" could be told. But I will not allow Mr. Ruddy to question my truthfulness. Mr. Ruddy started his "investigation" some six months after the suicide. The memories of individuals not directly involved in the investigation do tend to fade after time. And, since I have had the opportunity to be interviewed by Mr. Ruddy, I'm well aware of the direction he wanted to go regarding the "investigation." --Kevin B. Fornshill United States Park Police Rock Creek Station Washington, D.C ."
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who is mega?
Whatever Mega was (IDK) is only the tip of the iceberg of a response to what mess the Klintons created. A mess that gets messier and the tracks grow faint with time.
Criminals eventually show their colors elsewise, count on it.