Skip to comments.Chinese soldiers in the Panama Canal! LIVE Webcam! - Thread #5
Posted on 10/19/2001 9:28:34 PM PDT by ChaseR
Beginning with this Thread #5, all posters are now invited to post - Yes or No - to the following three questions:
Question #1 - Yes or No - is it possible that China has already/is presently/or will in the future - bring weapons, munitions, arms and short-range missiles and/or medium-range missiles (or missile parts) into Panama? Yes or No, is this possible?
Question #2 - Yes or No, is it possible that at some point in the future, Communist China might instruct Hutchison/Whampoa to stop U. S. ships from traversing the Panama Canal? Yes or No, is this possible?
Question #3 - Yes or No, is it possible that Communist China is already or will in the future - store short-range and medium-range missiles in containers in the holds of COSCO ships and have any such ships - come and go - into the Hutchison-Whampoa leased piers - and or - leave any such ships with missile parts - docked for extended periods of time - in Hutchison-Whampoa leased piers? Yes or No, is this possible?
(as these ongoing threads continue- more questions will be added)
Than again, I thought we had already "sourced" the fact that China had supplied Cuba with some sort of armaments, and if so, it is likely that they would have used the Panama Canal for the route. In any event, I remain of the opinion that the Bidding for the Panama Canal Management Contract was/is invalid due to Hutchinson-Whampoa bribes and the resultant fixing of the bids. As the Chi-Coms continue to act as a Terrorist-supporting regime, wouldn't this be an appropriate stick to jab in their eye if we were to make it known that the H-W Management Contract violated Carter's Panama Canal Treaty?
Why of course. Absolutely. The way it looks again...is that Communist Chinese sleeper Jade - is untrustworthy. (good posts that are pasted in threads, does not give a person citizenship...nope)
What is 'sketchy' about the arms shipments? This is unclear to me. Either China is or they are not involved in arms dealing and transferring of armaments for multi-use military graded material use to other countries.
ROFL...I'm surprised Ms. Jade hasn't already changed her FReeper Screen Name officially.
Out with "Black____" and in with "Commie Chinese Sleeper____", eh, Ms. Jade?!!
LOL and FReegards...MUD
Thanks fer the clarification...MUD
BTW & FWIW...I still believe the Chi-Coms are America's Number One Geopolitical Adversary and that Comrade Fidel is desperate enough to ally with them and accept whatever armaments (missile or otherwise) they decide to send his way. Panama remains a Wild Card on my book, but the smartest thing we could do, IMHO, is to rid ourselves of Gerald "RINO" Ford's anti-assassination rule and send the Murderous Thug Fidel to Hell ASAP!!
Looks like someone needs a li'l lesson in the Art of Sarcasm, my Patriotic FRiend.
Nobody I've seen on this thread--including Ms. Jade--has argued that China "...is not involved in arms dealing and transferring of armaments" to Countries who wish America ill will. From what I've seen, Ms. Jade has always argued against the logistics that Chi-Com missiles are already being stored in Panama and/or Cuba. IMHO, Black Jade's cautiousness has served as a good check on rampant speculation.
BTW...that's not to say we shouldn't remain on our toes with regards to the Chi-Com's desire to put America on the defensive with missiles located in Cuba!! The Leadership of the PRC hates the FReedom that America represents every bit as much as the Leadership of the Taliban...and sneaking Weapons of Mass Destruction to the Island Country 90 miles off the coast of Florida would be a great coup fer the Vile Chi-Com Tyrants!!
There's just got to be a better way, kiddies.
IMHO, Jeff's just being sarcastic and Ms. Jade's mistakenly taken his words at face value...y'all let me know if I'm reading it wrong, my FRiends.
Depends which camera shot they're using at a particular time...they switch it regularly. The fact that I know this factoid provides indisputable evidence that I, too, am a vigilantcitizen...LOL!!
FWIW...I believe everyone agrees that the answer to all three of your questions is "Yes...it is possible"; however, Ms. Jade has consistently made the case that there is no credible evidence that "missiles have been transported by the Chi-Coms to Cuba through the Panama Canal." So, IMHO, you are both right...so why fight?!
Things change daily around here don't they. (actually, I pointed this out to you in another thread (yesterday)- that a poster with a 30 year/extensive background in policework...has given us his/her - final determination - that you are a Communist Chinese sleeper -and for now, I'll go along with that - now I don't care how you respond to this/this is my opinion/and others have their opinion/nice being here in America huh.
That's nice. And likewise, other posters have their conclusions.
Nope, that doesn't fit. Your defense of Jade, won't work today...Black Jade should feel obliged to at least give us that Yes or No. (by not doing so - I continue end up drawing the conclusion that Jade wants to defend Communist China in these threads/at all costs)
Mud: "So, IMHO, you are both right...so why fight?!"
"..so why fight?!"
This is -partially- what has caused friction between you and I Mr Mud. You're automatically/and with disregard for folks - stating to everyone that there is "a fight" going on here. There is NO fight here; you're giving some readers the impression that this is some sort of ongoing, horrific fight" - an unpolite situation. This is wrong Mud. You're causing folks to be more edgy. - This is a debate and Mud, you're causing added friction. Thanks for understanding, but you need to help, not hinder - this ongoing discussion (by stating that there is a fight, it could lead some folks (some lurkers and posters) - to think that Black Jade and I are at each others throat...thanks again for considering this when you post)
There may or may not be concrete facts yet, but, in the meantime Jade, give everyone your Yes or No please.
On one hand,the Chicoms make alot of money selling their Dollar store crap here in the U.S.A.. On the other hand,my ex-wifey worked for a Tiawanese Doctor for 10 years.(Very good man!).When we would talk about China, he would make the statement of how much CHina hated the U.S, Jealous over our world leader role, and wanted very much to take over that role.(1992)Recent events show how much truth there was in his statements.
In reference to the big 3 questions,IMHO YES,YES,YES,.
Question #1 - Yes or No - is it possible ....
Anything is possible. Not only that, COSCO has warehouses in Atlanta, Baltimore, Charleston, Houston, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Houston, San Francisco, Seattle, Secaucus, Toronto, Vancouver where China already/is presently/or will in the future - bring weapons, munitions, arms and short-range missiles and/or medium-range missiles (or missile parts) into the US and Canada. Yes this is possible.
COSCO may have advanced its "plan for conquest" by actually hiring Chinese personnel in the US (unlike H&W because Panama immigration laws have cumbersome hiring quotas):
|Huang Dalei||General Manager, M.I.S.||ext 8854|
|Qui Jinguang||General Manager of Planning & Development||ext 8993|
|Liu La Chun||Deputy General Manager, Customer Service||ext 8987|
|Zhang Xiaosheng||General Manager, Equipment Control||ext 8872|
|Capt. Wang Yong||General Manager, Marine Operations||ext 8885|
Question #2 - Yes or No, is it possible that at some point in the future, Communist China might instruct ...
It is possible that at some point in the future Red China may instruct its citizens to go to the moon if the Beijung mandarins want so. Whether they can carry out the order is another thing. The traversing of U.S. ships through the Panama Canal is decided by Panamanian workers. And Panama receives a lot of money in Canal tolls and supplies purchased by US ships to give up that money becaue of mandarin whim. Panamanians did not spend decades whining about the Canal to give it up to somebody else.
Question #3 - Yes or No, is it possible ...
Anything is possible, it is possible that possible that Communist China is already or will in the future - store short-range and medium-range missiles in containers in the holds of COSCO ships and have any such ships - come and go - into the COSCO warehouses in Atlanta, Baltimore, Charleston, Houston, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Houston, San Francisco, Seattle, Secaucus, Toronto, and Vancouver - and or - leave any such ships with missile parts (or biological agents) - docked for extended periods of time - in those US and Canada facilities. Using the Canal was not necessary because once their goodies are unloaded in California, 18-wheeler trucks can take them unchecked all the way to Secaucus. And with that unchecked border at parallel 48, all the way to Canada. Yes this is also possible.
#1. Your source link doesn't work. 4 posted on 10/19/01 9:33 PM Pacific by demkicker
The link is in Java so you will need Netscape 3 or higher.
Actually, another poster, j_accuse, came up with this unique title - but alas, j_accuse - left in disgrace, some time ago.
9 posted on 10/19/01 9:47 PM Pacific by ChaseR
The title was made to encourage debate on sightings of Chicom soldiers in the Canal, with their "conquest of the Isthmus" being imminent but actual sightings remain have not exceeded the UFO sightings at Roswell in the last 2 years. In the meantime, the number of US retirees and expats in the Ishtmus has gone up to 18,000 and a US port company in the Canal has been expanded to be the largest container port in the Caribbean.
If you call having a mayor computer malfunction a disgrace, yes it was. I lost most of my email folders and now the freerepublic.com Archive search is disabled (plus that 50 postings-a-page feature slows down searches) so I m trying to catch up with all the fan mail from Chief Kommisar ChaseR. Anyways, he has been real helpful by keeping up the thread alive. Thanks for the concern.
1. The threads indicate that those who have visited here or have lived here are delusional and are ridiculed, as they know not about which they speak. The kitten, Trident/Delta, and j_accuse (and maybe others whose comments I may have skipped over; therefore, I apologize) have given accurate eyewitness reports. ...
2. Those of you who have never been to Panama, think about the following: It struck me that those arguing that the Chinese are the puppeteers in Panama, calling all the shots about the canal if you will, are suffering from a classic case of brain washing over the years. I know this will never be accepted among a lot of my fellow freepers despite the fact few of you have been to Panama. But just think about it and reread what your fellow freepers whom I mentioned above have had to say.
17 posted on 10/6/01 4:18 PM Pacific by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I would not call it ridicule or an infringment of the "NO personal attacks" prohibition of the site, more like healthy exchange of ideas - which would be even healthier with updated, post-1999 accounts from eyewitnesses to the current situation in Panama.
Those that argue that Panama is a country where the Chicoms call the shots obviously have never been to Panama (or gone beyond a refrigerated hotel or cruise ship to talk to everyday Panamanians over a sancocho soup). The Chicoms do not even have there an embassy to spy under immunity, like they do in Washington. Recycling Bill Gertz (another one who has not ventured beyond the air-conditioned tourist route) pre-1999 articles is fine to raise awareness threads but to understand the reality or not of the Chicom threat - and most importantly, ways to counter it taking into consideration actual and updated circumstances.
Another example is the Congressman who held a Cantonese-language Panamanian weekly during 2000 hearings as "EVIDENCE" of the "Chinese invasion" - never mind that Panama has had Cantonese communities as old as those in California and New York (before Mao Tse Tung was even born) or that MANDARIN is the language of the Chicoms.
US businesses and investment keep pouring into Panama - they run cellular telephone, electricity, the only railroad and many other companies, including the largest port in the Panama Canal. If the Chicoms want to use economics to wage war, then bringing US investment and presence into Panama is the most effective way to counter any possible Chicom presence. The administration that gave the HIT port concession lost the 1994 election and it is urgent to engage the current administration through investment and development if there is a conspiracy by the Chicoms to take over Panama.
With Fort Davis and Fort Gulick now under Panamanian control, Fort Sherman, site of the Jungle Operations Training Center, and the Galeta Island Communications Facility remain the last U.S. military facilities in the Atlantic Community. -- U.S. Army, South, Public Affairs Office"
Thanks Phil...what're they referring to as the "Atlantic Community"?
208 posted on 10/17/01 2:10 AM Pacific by Mudboy Slim
The Atlantic Community is not some affiliate of the Trilateral Commission or NATO. For those have not been to Panama more than a month, the Canal Zone was divided into 2 sections: Atlantic (facing the Caribbean) and Pacific and each one had a network of residents and related services called Atlantic and Pacific Communities.
Fort Gulick is the site of a Spanish hotel.