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US Strips Jewish Army Major of Security Clearance
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Posted on 10/23/2001 8:52:57 AM PDT by RCW2001

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1 posted on 10/23/2001 8:52:57 AM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Good grief! We need Israeli intel to help us! This is insane! We need to increase Israeli intel with our own money. Good grief.
2 posted on 10/23/2001 8:56:36 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
No, this is not a good grief. The United States needs people who are 100% loyal to the USA first and only to the USA. If this guy has the opportunity to pass sensitive intelligence data to another government, which he would in this case as he is way too close to Israel. I support Israel also, however, we do not even tell the British, Germans, etc, everything we know and do. If this guy is a possible security risk, then so be it, pull his clearance.
3 posted on 10/23/2001 8:59:45 AM PDT by RetiredArmy
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To: RCW2001
Sad, but not uncommon. It's not anti-semitism though, it's basic power competition within the armed forces. Someone wanted his position and made an argument to have him lose his position. The same argument was made against Presidential candidate Kennedy for being a Catholic having secret ties with the Vatican. Anti-semitism in the US is more a matter of black muslim anti-semites or leftists more than whites or US armed forces.
4 posted on 10/23/2001 9:00:25 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: RCW2001
First sign of trouble, the guy goes to the Israeli press? What took us so long? He should be drummed out completely.
5 posted on 10/23/2001 9:03:29 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: RCW2001; zion_ist
This Is Stupid!
Jewish or Not.... He's well trained. Let Him do the Job he has been trained to do!

One other thing... Since when is Israel our enemy?
Last Time I checked... They are on our side!
6 posted on 10/23/2001 9:03:51 AM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: RCW2001
Any reserve major who goes public with a complaint about the level of his security clearance, implying racism, should probably be granted a very low level of clearance, if any.
7 posted on 10/23/2001 9:03:56 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: RCW2001
Disturbing
8 posted on 10/23/2001 9:06:36 AM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: Kennard
Very aptly put!
9 posted on 10/23/2001 9:06:58 AM PDT by Diogenes
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To: Mr. Bird
First sign of trouble, the guy goes to the Israeli press? What took us so long? He should be drummed out completely.
I agree. The apparent tendency to grant press interviews doesn’t fit well with a top security clearance.

patent  +AMDG

10 posted on 10/23/2001 9:08:39 AM PDT by patent
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To: RetiredArmy
Oh! And you think Christian Clinton and his liberal US trailer trash cohorts were better? I don't think so.

But here is the crux of it. The crux of it is emotions getting in the way of military structures. Just as women and gays should not serve in ships or in combat because they could go AWOL with a general while the country is at war, we should have no affirmative action and leftist college boys going in the US armed forces.

As for Jews, if there were a holocaust in Israel, and the US armed forces had for tactical and strategical reasons to sit there and do nothing while it would happen, I would not like to have Jews around to see that happening because I know most Jews would not stand it and not be able to see that national security and the union are above holocaustic catastrophies. That is why Lincoln refused to go to war for the slaves, but however saw that the South was developing terror tendencies against the Northerners as they were siding with England and the slave trade powers.

By the current standards of accepting gays and women in the military, I find this action against a Jew to be a double standard. However, let us make things clear, certain mixtures in the military do not apply. It is no multicultural pic-nic out there in war.

War is hell, what can I say, we cannot discuss about discrimination in military circles, but this is what 8 years of Clintonism has lead to.

11 posted on 10/23/2001 9:09:24 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Kennard
Absolutely. This is absurd. Obviously, as the commander of a MI unit, he had a TS clearance at some point, which means the Army knew about his Israeli service and dual citizenship. Apparently, that was not a problem then, but something changed. It is clear that there is more to this story than the whining major lets on.
12 posted on 10/23/2001 9:10:38 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: RetiredArmy
"Maj. Shawn Pine... holds dual US-Israeli citizenship..."

That's funny... aren't members of the US military sworn in with an oath that contains the phrase
"preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States"?

13 posted on 10/23/2001 9:12:01 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Fiddlstix
Actually it's not stupid at all. In fact, I would think that under the current threat conditions that ALL armed forces personnel of dual citizenship, whether it be Israel, UK, or whatever, would be screened very closely. It's not racism or anti-semitism. It is about security. And, since this individual chose to release this and complain to the world (via Israel) press, I see no reason why he should have a security clearance at all.

Also, am I not mistaken, but is this the same officer who went AWOL a few months back and was found in Israel? If this is the case, then not only does he need to be stripped of security clearances, but also be courtmartialed.

15 posted on 10/23/2001 9:13:48 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: Fiddlstix
One other thing... Since when is Israel our enemy?

Last Time I checked... They are on our side!

Israel is on Israel's side. Dont forget that. All countries are for themselves first. That is their job.

16 posted on 10/23/2001 9:14:53 AM PDT by mlmr
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I read this piece on another web site. I understand he has dual-citizenship, Israel and the US. Wouldn't this fact alone give pause to giving him a clearance?
17 posted on 10/23/2001 9:20:03 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Fiddlstix
"Jewish or Not.... He's well trained. Let Him do the Job he has been trained to do!"

Pollard, The Walker Gang, Ames, Hannsen, Benedict Arnold, the muslim US army sargeant (whose name is probably Al Mohammed or something like that) that was involved in the embassy bombings, were all well trained too. If the experts are concerned then let them do the job they were trained to do. This is war time and when we err let it be on the side of caution.

18 posted on 10/23/2001 9:24:04 AM PDT by putupon
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To: mijo
Anti-______is is the first refuge of any member of the ______ group or those groups led by the Reverend ______, or even those members of "Americans for _________."
19 posted on 10/23/2001 9:27:53 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: Constitution Day; RetiredArmy
RA -

I know you must know this.
Just posting as FYI for others after I found it on the internet.

CD

OATHS OF ENLISTMENT and OATHS OF OFFICE

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
(Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
(DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

20 posted on 10/23/2001 9:29:38 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: RCW2001
Sounds like the guy has divided loyalties to me. Pick a country, Major, and go with it. Don't expect special security clearance handling just because you have been forthcoming.
21 posted on 10/23/2001 9:31:13 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: TADSLOS
Sounds like the guy has divided loyalties to me

Or a cup half full?

When his family moved to Israel he was drafted and served there.

He came back to his homeland and chose to serve (something usually applauded on FR) the United States.

His status was known.

Yeah, sounds like a real bad guy. Not 100% American like the true blue Walkers, Ames, Hansens, et al.

23 posted on 10/23/2001 9:38:48 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: RCW2001
Bravo! It is not uncommon for the Irish in American, many generations removed from Ireland to support the IRA. Nor is it uncommon for Jews to support Israel. For this simple, that there is some risk to US security, that I applaude this action. Would this be headlines, today, if it were an Islamic US Army Major?
24 posted on 10/23/2001 9:40:12 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: cactusSharp
shoot the SOB in the head I say..

Now there is a sane response. LOL.

They knew what this fellow's background was.

25 posted on 10/23/2001 9:40:50 AM PDT by veronica
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To: cactusSharp
shoot the SOB in the head I say

For any particular reason?

26 posted on 10/23/2001 9:41:04 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: RetiredArmy
however, we do not even tell the British, Germans, etc, everything we know and do

Yeah, but they're not a "51st State" like Israel.

Israel's "special".

28 posted on 10/23/2001 9:42:31 AM PDT by Askel5
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Where are your rants against Muslims who wear USA armed forces uniforms?

Jews haven't been attacking America in case you haven't noticed.

29 posted on 10/23/2001 9:42:58 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: RCW2001
Basically, in US Army Intelligence, if you aren't a Mason, fuggedaboudit!
30 posted on 10/23/2001 9:43:16 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: RCW2001
We have no information on WHY this guy's security clearance was pulled. Typically these matters are not commented upon by those in authority. Obviously something happened beyond just being Jewish to get his clearance yanked. Him running to the foreign press at first opportunity does suggest that he might not have been trustworthy. Too bad, pal, holding a security clearance is not a civil right.
31 posted on 10/23/2001 9:44:57 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: RCW2001
I would bet that there is more going on here than meets the eye. Perhaps that is why he went to the Israeli press before our own. Let's wait for the rest of the story...
32 posted on 10/23/2001 9:47:04 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: cactusSharp
wHY HAS THE WORLD always BEEN MAD AT Jews.....

They haven't - but the wingnut anti-Semites always are.

Must have miserable lives. Underachievers and all.

33 posted on 10/23/2001 9:47:28 AM PDT by veronica
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To: cactusSharp; Jim Robinson
cactusSharp writes: tHEY never ASK...wHY HAS THE WORLD always BEEN MAD AT Jews.....

That's the way the nazis talked, and you know what happened after that.

34 posted on 10/23/2001 9:47:56 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: RCW2001
I'm surprised that he got a clearance in the first place. When I was an MP one of the members of my squad married a West German. He was denied a security clearance because his wife had relatives living in East Germany.

He was thrilled, without a secuity clearance he couldn't be assigned guard duty. There are Mp companies that do nothing but watch the grass grow as they guard ammo dumps.

35 posted on 10/23/2001 9:49:11 AM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: cactusSharp
tHEY never ASK...wHY HAS THE WORLD always BEEN MAD AT Jews.....

i'M aSKING. PLEASE TELL US why the wORLD has always BEEN MAD AT Jews?
36 posted on 10/23/2001 9:49:39 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: cactusSharp; Jim Robinson
cactusSharp writes: shoot the SOB in the head I say...
37 posted on 10/23/2001 9:50:17 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
That's the way the nazis talked, and you know what happened after that.

Yeah, they are hoping for a revival.

With over 200 Muslim "charities" in the USA being investigated for ties to terrorist organizations, one Army guy ain't no big deal.

38 posted on 10/23/2001 9:50:54 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Zviadist
Uh, maybe he went to the US press, and the US press didn't cover it.

One thing I have noticed is that beyond "Bubba and the Rednecks" kinds of antisemitism, real-world antisemitism never gets called for what it is--it's always framed as "you must try to understand the complex issues of diversity and multiculturalism" (insert obligatory BARF here).

For example, the folks in the Southwestern US who agitate for establishing "Aztlan" tend to make extremely anti-semitic remarks--and usually call for any and all Jews in or NEAR "Aztlan" to be exterminated. Does the mainstream press ever discuss this? Hell, no!

39 posted on 10/23/2001 9:52:44 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Sci Fi Guy
his wife had relatives living in East Germany.

East Germany was not our ally...remember?

40 posted on 10/23/2001 9:53:29 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: damian5
Al-Qaeda terrorist duped FBI, Army

By JOSEPH NEFFAND JOHN SULLIVAN, Staff Writers

FORT BRAGG - Ali Mohamed lived a double life that seemed more fiction than fact. He served in the heart of the U.S. military at Fort Bragg and in the inner circle of Osama bin Laden's Islamic fundamentalist terrorists' network. Long before he was arrested in connection with the 1998 car-bombing attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, there were questions about Ali Mohamed, a retired U.S. Army sergeant. He had puzzled fellow soldiers with his haughty attitude toward America and avowed Islamic fundamentalist beliefs.

Now, as the United States wages war on terrorism, the case of Mohamed shows what the CIA and FBI are up against: terrorist operatives who weave themselves into the fabric of America.

After al-Qaeda's car-bombings of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, it became clear where his allegiance lay. Investigators linked Mohamed to the attacks, which killed 224 people and injured more than 4,500. He was arrested 34 days later and has since pleaded guilty and described his central role in the attack.

Even more than the hijackers of Sept. 11, Mohamed lived and trained in the United States. He had training as a Green Beret officer and turned those skills against the United States. Although law enforcement and intelligence agencies collected information on Mohamed, they assembled the pieces of the puzzle too late -- after the embassies had been bombed. Identifying such terrorists resembles police work more than traditional warfare, experts say. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies need to cooperate and not compete over turf, if they are to apprehend terrorists like Mohamed. "He was an active source for the FBI, a double agent," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA agent and director of counterterrorism at the State Department during the elder Bush's administration.

The FBI "did a lousy job of managing him," Johnson said. "He was holding out on them. He had critical information years ago and didn't give it up." The FBI declined to be interviewed for this article.

So just who is this educated soldier, fluent in at least four languages, who trained on the drill grounds and red-clay firing ranges of Fort Bragg and taught Green Berets about the Middle East and Islamic fundamentalism? And how did he move back and forth between an outwardly normal immigrant's existence and the hidden world of al-Qaeda? Mohamed's relationship with the FBI and intelligence services remains wrapped in secrecy. His plea agreement is sealed, as are many of the court documents and much of the testimony. Mohamed was expected to testify -- but did not -- at the trial where the four others were convicted. Mohamed and his lawyer have declined all interview requests.

But a picture emerges from court documents, interviews, trial transcripts and published accounts.

Ever since the attacks Sept. 11, Jason T. Fogg has found himself thinking about Ali Mohamed. He remembers a tall, serious former Egyptian Army major with a haughty attitude toward America.

Fogg, who knew nothing about Mohamed's role in al-Qaeda until a reporter told him, said he and Mohamed had spent three months together in Army training. Mohamed constantly compared the U.S. military with his own, and the former officer always found the American military wanting.

"To be in the [enlisted ranks] and have so much training was weird," said Fogg, now a supervisor with a freight company in Spring Hill, Tenn. "And to be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country."

Mohamed was quiet but with a ferocious temper and very religious, Fogg said. This echoes court testimony by admitted al-Qaeda members earlier this year about the man they called "Abu Mohamed al Amriki" -- Mohamed the American. Some al-Qaeda members, however, found spiritual shortcomings in the salty-tongued Mohamed.

"He is not a good practitioner of Islam," testified L'Houssaine Khertchou, a witness in the embassy bombings trial. "You can hear from him some bad words." Egyptian army experience Born in Alexandria in 1952, Mohamed joined the Egyptian army in 1971. With a bachelor's in psychology and two years of training at Egypt's military academy, he rose to major in the Egyptian special forces.

Sometime in the early 1980s, after Egyptian President Anwar Sadat made peace with Israel in the Camp David accords, Mohamed joined the fundamentalist group Egyptian Islamic Jihad. About this time, the Egyptian army sent Mohamed to Fort Bragg for special forces training -- common for officers from countries the United States regards as friendly. Training beside U.S. Green Berets, he learned how to command elite soldiers on difficult missions such as special reconnaissance, unconventional warfare and counterinsurgency operations. After four months, he received a diploma with a green beret on it.

Returning home, he served in the Egyptian army for three more years. In 1984, he left to work as a security expert for Egypt Air -- and started to make contact with the CIA. "This individual approached the CIA to offer information," a U.S. official told The News & Observer, speaking on condition that no further identification be provided. "Some time later, we found out he was talking to known terrorists and had identified himself as a CIA agent. We felt him to be untrustworthy, and we put him on the State Department watch list." The CIA also warned other U.S. government agencies about Mohamed and urged them to detain him if possible, the official said. The next year, in 1985, Mohamed managed to get a visa to enter the United States. One year later, he enlisted as a regular soldier in the U.S. Army at the age of 34, unusually old for a recruit. He was assigned to the U.S. Special Operations Command in Fort Bragg, the home of the Green Berets and the Delta Force, the elite counterterrorism squad.

Fluent in Arabic, Hebrew, French and English, Mohamed brought extensive knowledge of the Arab world. Though officially a supply sergeant, he spent much of his time teaching soldiers about the Mideast.

Robert Anderson, a retired lieutenant colonel, remembers him vividly. Anderson said Mohamed made no secret of his religious views. "He had identified himself as a fundamentalist, but after I interviewed him I identified him as a fanatic," said Anderson, who lives in Fay-etteville. "So after the interview I said, 'Well, there's one thing I would like to say: Anwar Sadat was a hero to Egypt and to the United States.' He looked at me with these steely eyes and said, 'Sadat was a traitor, and he had to die.' " Mohamed's beliefs were not just talk.

In 1988, he told Anderson and others that he was using his leave to join the war in Afghanistan against Soviet occupation. The United States was then secretly supporting the Afghan rebels and supplying them with weapons; but it was highly irregular, if not illegal, for an active-duty U.S. soldier to fight in a foreign war. If the Soviets captured him and learned his identity, it would embarrass the United States and further aggravate international tensions. Anderson and another of Mohamed's superiors speculated that Mohamed would end up in a military prison if he went. Anderson said he submitted an intelligence report to his superiors two weeks before Mohamed departed, but it was ignored.

Mohamed returned about a month later, Anderson said. He had clearly lost weight, suggesting that the trip had been strenuous. "He comes back and brings me a belt from a Russian special forces soldier that he said he killed," Anderson said. Anderson wrote up a second report and again heard no response. Questions about Mohamed

Other soldiers who served with Mohamed said they had unanswered questions about him. Lamar A. Wood, who worked in the motor pool attached to the 5th Special Forces Group, recalled a time when Mohamed was shipped back to the United States in 1988 during the annual Egypt-U.S. desert war games known as Operation Bright Star. "He had to come back to the states only after three days or so," Wood said. "There was some trouble there."

Near the end of his tour at Bragg, Mohamed apparently got busier in his work with terrorist groups. Documents from court cases show that he traveled on weekends to New Jersey, where he trained other Islamic fundamentalists in surveillance, weapons and explosives. He continued this training after he was honorably discharged in 1989 with commendations in his file, including one for "patriotism, valor, fidelity and professional excellence."

Mohamed spent the next five years in the Army Reserves. For nine years after he left active duty, until his arrest in 1998, Mohamed shuttled between California, Afghanistan, Kenya, Somalia and at least a dozen other countries, the court records show. It was through his contacts with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad that he met bin Laden, but the date is not clear. It may have been in 1991, when Mohamed again went to Afghanistan to fight. That year, Mohamed helped move bin Laden from Afghanistan to Sudan.

Mohamed was soon handling some of bin Laden's most sensitive security matters, details of which he made public during his guilty plea. After a failed 1994 assassination attempt on bin Laden, Mohamed trained the inner circle of bodyguards for the Saudi exile. He handled security when bin Laden moved his al-Qaeda entourage from Sudan back to Afghanistan in 1996, as well as when bin Laden met the Hezbollah chief who had directed the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut. Mohamed also shared his extensive military knowledge. He gave basic explosives training for al-Qaeda soldiers in Afghanistan in 1992 and translated training manuals from English to Arabic. In 1993, he trained Somali clansmen in the months leading up to a furious gun battle that took the lives of 18 U.S. soldiers. Mohamed taught the terrorists how to create cell structures that preserved secrecy and how to move undercover in Western countries. He taught surveillance techniques: how to case targets, photograph them and write attack plans.

And he played a central role in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. In the early 1990s, he set up a cell in the Kenyan capital to support al-Qaeda's operations in Somalia, using a car business and a charity as cover. "We used various code names to conceal our identities," Mohamed said in his guilty plea. "I used the name 'Jeff.' " In late 1993, al-Qaeda ordered Mohamed to scour Nairobi for targets that would avenge the U.S. involvement in Somalia.

Mohamed conducted surveillance of the U.S. Embassy, the U.S. Agency for International Development and two French facilities. He drew maps and diagrams and rigged a darkroom in a colleague's apartment to avoid dealing with a commercial developer. He later showed the photos to bin Laden in the Sudanese capital, Khartoum. "Bin Laden looked at the picture of the American Embassy and pointed to where a truck could go as a suicide bomber," Mohamed told the court last year.

Bombings planned patiently

In planning the embassy attacks, Mohamed and his al-Qaeda associates showed the kind of patience that would later characterize the 2001 attacks in America. It was not until August 1998 -- four years later -- that Mohamed's partners parked a truck full of plastic explosives in the very spot bin Laden had chosen. The suicide bomb crumpled buildings, twisted and incinerated buses and shattered windows as far as five blocks away. The blast killed 224 people and injured more than 4,500.

Within two weeks, FBI agents led a squad of 10 into Mohamed's apartment in Sacramento, Calif., using a key provided by his apartment manager, according to testimony at the trial. They copied computer files and photographed documents.

The evidence they found of Mohamed's terrorist activities included documents from his cell in Kenya and materials on how to run terrorist cells and penetrate security cordons. Mohamed was subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury on Sept. 10, 1998. He was arrested as he left the grand jury room. At the request of the U.S. Attorney, federal judges kept the arrest secret for almost a year, filing his case as "United States v. John Doe" and clearing the courtroom whenever it came up. Much of the case remains sealed.

Mohamed would have come first to the attention of the FBI in late 1990 after the murder of the Rabbi Meier Kahane, a radical Jewish leader. When authorities searched the home of El Sayyid Nosair, who was charged with Kahane's murder, they found U.S. Army training manuals, videotaped talks that Mohamed delivered at the Kennedy Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, an operation plan for Operation Bright Star and other materials marked "Classified" or "Top Secret."

Mohamed, who often stayed in New Jersey with Nosair, was the source of these documents. The documents didn't surface during Nosair's 1991 trial when he was acquitted of killing Kahane, but they did in 1995 when Nosair was convicted of conspiring to blow up the World Trade Center and other New York landmarks in 1993. Roger Stavis, Nosair's attorney, argued to the jury that the U.S. Army sent Mohamed to New Jersey to do the training. One witness, Khalid Ibrahim, testified that he was trained by Mohamed in New Jersey and then saw him later in Afghanistan. "He's on active duty, helping Muslims train to help Muslims in Afghanistan, as part of a U.S. government effort," Stavis said in an interview. The FBI has acknowledged in court filings that its agents interviewed Mohamed several times after he left active duty. In 1993, he told the FBI that bin Laden "ran an organization called al-Qaeda and was building an army which may be used to overthrow the Saudi Government." In 1994, he told the FBI that he had moved bin Laden out of Afghanistan in 1991.

In a 1997 interview, Mohamed admitted to a much deeper involvement in al-Qaeda. An FBI agent wrote that Mohamed said that "he loved Bin Laden and believed in him" and that "one did not need a fatwah [religious ruling] to go against the United States since it was 'obvious' that the United States was the enemy." However, not all of Bin Laden's people trusted Mohamed. In 1994, Mohamed Atef, the al-Qaeda commander credited with engineering the attack Sept. 11 on New York and Washington, refused to let Mohamed know what name and passport he was traveling under.

Atef "doesn't want Abu Mohamed al Amriki to see his name, because he was afraid that maybe he is working with United States or other governments," L'Houssaine Khertchou testified at the embassy bombing trial in February.

Defense lawyers and many other observers believe that Mohamed, who has not yet been sentenced, is now cooperating with the United States, though the government has never confirmed this. When he is finally sentenced, Mohamed could receive as little as 25 years under his plea agreement, which would allow him to be free at 73. David Ruhnke, attorney for one of the four embassy bombing defendants, said that Mohamed's deal with the government might strike the jury as unfair, because the the government was seeking the death penalty for two defendants.

"Some of the things [Mohamed] admitted were so serious," Ruhnke said. "The government worried it would impact the jury."

But Larry Johnson, the former State Department counterterrorism chief, has a more skeptical interpretation: Putting Mohamed on trial would unearth material extremely embarrassing for the government.

"The reason he didn't testify was so they wouldn't have to face uncomfortable statements on the FBI," Johnson said. "They are more interested in covering their ass."

There are lessons to be learned, Johnson said. The FBI should have polygraphed Mohamed and used counterintelligence techniques to see if he was forthcoming. The CIA and the FBI should have worked together on Mohamed. Mohamed has not spoken in public since his guilty plea, but his prior statements carry warnings to the country in whose military he served. "He knows, for example, that there are hundreds of 'sleepers' or 'submarines' in place who don't fit neatly into the terrorist profile," a 1997 FBI report said. "These individuals don't wear the traditional beards and don't pray at the mosques." Staff writer Joseph Neff can be reached at 829-4516 or jneff@newsobserver.com News researchers Becky Ogburn, Brooke Cain, Susan Ebbs, Toby Lyles and Lucy Reid contributed to this report.

42 posted on 10/23/2001 9:59:21 AM PDT by veronica
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To: RCW2001
To hell with this dual citizenship crap. Renounce the Israeli citizenship and then maybe he wouldnt be considered an intelligence threat.

We should force all the jews in Israel voting in US elections decide to which country they owe allegiance. If they are not willing to renounce israeli citizenship, then eliminate their US voting rights. Are we goign to allow some Afghan or Iraqi to vote in our elections?

43 posted on 10/23/2001 10:00:59 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Constitution Day
That's funny... aren't members of the US military sworn in with an oath that contains the phrase "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States"?

Yes, and I dont recall a disclaimer saying when its convenient or when it doesnt interfere with my oath to support Israel. Pollard sold out the US and the Israelis sold our most important classifed data to the russians. Thanks guys.

It was always my impression that immigrants to this country had to renounce their former citizenship to become US citizens. Whats with allowing the Israelis to maintain dual citizenship? I think they should have to decide to whom they are loyal. You cant be loyal to both your wife and mistrist.

45 posted on 10/23/2001 10:06:08 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: damian5
got that right...just look at the responses,Veronica is actually mad he was dumped
46 posted on 10/23/2001 10:07:45 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: cactusSharp
and since I believe in JESUS CHRIST as God's son,am I anti semetic too ???
47 posted on 10/23/2001 10:09:23 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Pharmboy
When you hold a Top Secret clearance you have forbidden by law to discuss what you see under penalty of prison and fine. You aren't supposed to discuss anything classified but once you cross over into the area of Top Secret and beyond, special rules apply. And you never talk to the media like this Major just did and expect any type of leniency.

I don't want someone in our Intelligence community that goes running to any newspaper and I don't care what nationality or ethnic background. He should be court martialed immediately and removed from the ranks of the military.

We are at war and if anyone on here thinks that Israel supports us 100%, think again. They are in it for themselves and I resent them being put on the same footing as England who does support us fully! I don't trust the Arabs and I don't trust Israel -- does the name Pollard come to anyone's mind?

48 posted on 10/23/2001 10:09:58 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Dave S
To hell with this dual citizenship crap. Renounce..

So nice of you to add to the multitude of brilliant observations on this thread.

The Supreme court has ruled that no one has to renounce a foreign citizenship.

And you think that is someone wants to betray the US then their making a renunciation will stop them? What if they are crossing their fingers behind their backs while renouncing.

By the way-after all the BS flights of fancy- how many votes came to the US from Israel. Was your hand sufficient or did you also need to take off your shoes to count then all?

49 posted on 10/23/2001 10:11:55 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: RCW2001
Judging from the article he has no ongoing military commitment to the Israeli army so it's not like he is a member of both armed forces. It's not like he does two weeks duty with the U.S. Army and then another two weeks with the Israeli Army. Unless there is some reason to doubt his loyalty that the article doesn't mention then I think that the Major should be reinstated to his duties. Being Jewish is not a sign of disloyalty.
50 posted on 10/23/2001 10:12:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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