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US Strips Jewish Army Major of Security Clearance
Jerusalem Post ^

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:52:57 AM PDT by RCW2001

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To: Askel5
Israel's "special".

In their mind.

Dont know why they still think they are the chosen people unless they think God has a heck of a sense of humor.

51 posted on 10/23/2001 10:13:00 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: RCW2001
And yet...Gary Condit gets to keep his clearance and position on the Intelligence Committee.
52 posted on 10/23/2001 10:13:09 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Poohbah
As it appears, this is an issue of security clearance, not the person's religious background. Security clearances are usually pulled for a very good reason, not least of which because they are so expensive to obtain. It seems only you, your buddies here, and the Jerusalem Post are making it into an "anti-Semitism issue." I don't care what the guy's background, if he has violated the rules he needs to have his clearances yanked. That would go for white-bread types, blacks, Hispanics and so on and so forth.
53 posted on 10/23/2001 10:13:13 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: RetiredArmy
No, this is not a good grief. The United States needs people who are 100% loyal to the USA first and only to the USA.

Where is it stated that he's not loyal to America? Should Peter King lose his security clearance because of his relationship with Ireland?

54 posted on 10/23/2001 10:14:31 AM PDT by sakic
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To: PhiKapMom
I don't want someone in our Intelligence community that goes running to any newspaper...

Both the Pentagon and Capitol Hill leak secrets like a sieve and you're worried about this guy? Let's put a muzzle on the politicians before we take after the professionals.

55 posted on 10/23/2001 10:15:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: vrwc54
Where are your rants against Muslims who wear USA armed forces uniforms? Jews haven't been attacking America in case you haven't noticed.

Personally I dont know many Muslims who holds dual citizenship while wearing the uniform of our country.

56 posted on 10/23/2001 10:15:35 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: PhiKapMom
England who does support us fully!

come to anyone's mind?

Does the War of Independence and the War of 1812 come to mind?

How about Mod Jackets? War against American fashion tastes.

58 posted on 10/23/2001 10:16:30 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Dave S
Personally I dont know many Muslims who holds dual citizenship while wearing the uniform of our country

Guess what? That is an indictment of Moslems.

Do you people think "dual national" means you underwent some kind of secret ceremony?

It means you were born somewhere else.

If you were born somewhere else and you are loyal and care enough about the US to serve: that is a good thing. Get it?

59 posted on 10/23/2001 10:21:04 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
By the way-after all the BS flights of fancy- how many votes came to the US from Israel. Was your hand sufficient or did you also need to take off your shoes to count then all?

Atleast I have fingers and toes.

The bulk of the absentee ballots in Florida, other than Military were postmarked "Isreal." Guess a lot of rich Dems were just vacationing. Take your dual citizenship and cram it you know where.

60 posted on 10/23/2001 10:23:34 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: cactusSharp
I am not mad he was dumped.

I am mad some Muslim terrorist duped the Army and the FBI.

Aren't you?

61 posted on 10/23/2001 10:26:20 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Sabramerican
If you were born somewhere else and you are loyal and care enough about the US to serve: that is a good thing. Get it?

Not always. Just ask the FBI and CIA about that little traitor Pollard. Sometimes its just to get their little hands on classified information.

62 posted on 10/23/2001 10:26:29 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: PhiKapMom
Excellent thought. There is more to this story than we are hearing. The US Govt. spends many thousands of dollars in background investigations. Belive me they check all the way back to place of birth, interview friends and schoolmates, family, old girlfriends etc. He knew the rules. he abviously gave them reason to jerk the clearance. Giving Top secret info away to anyone is a crime, TREASON and he cou7ld be subject to death because it is a time of war. Isreal maybe a close ally but they don't always follow what is in our best interests at all times.
63 posted on 10/23/2001 10:26:58 AM PDT by sharkdiver
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To: Dave S
The bulk of the absentee ballots in Florida, other than Military were postmarked "Isreal."

One: Show me

Two: Americans staying in Israel should not be allowed to vote? What if they are in Canada instead? Florida retirees vacationing in Israel do not take Israeli citizenship.

64 posted on 10/23/2001 10:28:12 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Dave S
Personally I dont know many Muslims who holds dual citizenship while wearing the uniform of our country.

What different would that make if you are a traitor? If you are a terrorist you would probably try to deceive this country like this Muslim did. This is what you should be ranting about:

Al-Qaeda terrorist duped FBI, Army [ trained as Green Beret and was US Army Sargent]

65 posted on 10/23/2001 10:28:40 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: RCW2001
Shades of the Alfred Dreyfus affair...
66 posted on 10/23/2001 10:29:21 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Dave S
Pollard was not a dual national. He was as American as Ames and Hanson and Walker and almost all of America's spies since Arnold.
67 posted on 10/23/2001 10:30:45 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: cactusSharp
and since I believe in JESUS CHRIST as God's son,am I anti semetic too ???

You are entitled to believe whatever you believe. What does JESUS CHRIST have to do with this thread by the way?

68 posted on 10/23/2001 10:30:53 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Dave S
Take your dual citizenship and cram it you know where.

Great idea. I like that.

69 posted on 10/23/2001 10:39:47 AM PDT by jo6pac
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To: Dave S
Well in that case I will just assume all Christians are traitors since Robert Robert Philip Hanssen is a Christian, eh? And........Aldrich Ames, too!
70 posted on 10/23/2001 10:40:14 AM PDT by veronica
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To: drjimmy
The world isn't mad at Jews. Only a small number are. You just get to here about thoses cases all the time. The victim mentality is a bigger problem now.
71 posted on 10/23/2001 10:40:32 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: jo6pac
I like that.

"Not that there is anything wrong with it" but we would not have asked if you had not told.

72 posted on 10/23/2001 10:41:34 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: veronica; Sabramerican
There’s a certain irony that this appears the same day as another thread (3rd or 4th) on Rick Rescorla, the head of security at Morgan Stanley, who perished 9/11. Also a hero at the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley in 1965, a and a British Army veteran. There are and always have been many non-citizens in our military.

I have a feeling, though, we don’t have all the story here, particularly given the fact that he approached the press. As an ex Ranger (?), there are other units in which he could serve. The article ignores the fact that he is an expert on Middle Eastern affairs, and an advisor to several Israeli think tanks (odd, since he has written for the JP). Given the nature of some of his writings (see links), and particularly the fact that he is in a linguistics unit, his background would appear to be a real asset in MI.

A natural born US citizen for his first 17 years, the service in the IDF would have been mandatory when his family relocated. It wasn’t his option. Interestingly he returned here after his 3 years of service. The loyalty issue, based on his youthful IDF service and dual-citizenship is nonsense. Most 17 year olds will relocate with their family.

I suspect there were reasons for his clearance loss that we don’t know. It could be as simple as the time spent training with his unit, since he seems to have active in other pursuits the last 6-7 years.

Shawn Pine

Shawn Pine

Articles by Shawn Pine

73 posted on 10/23/2001 10:41:37 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Non-Sequitur; Sabramerican; veronica
. . . . I think that the Major should be reinstated to his duties. Being Jewish is not a sign of disloyalty.
I agree. But when you are a intelligence officer whining to a newspaper is, especially if you are whining about your security clearance being yanked. Given that he went running to the press, do you really think this man should be reinstated to a top security clearence and an intelligence unit? If his clearence was yanked for being Jewish that was clearly wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right.

patent  +AMDG

74 posted on 10/23/2001 10:42:59 AM PDT by patent
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To: Sabramerican
Show me

Watching Fox and MSNBC during the florida mess, both channels said that absentee ballots from overseas were 1) military personnel and 2) American citizens living in Isreal. Since you take your marching orders from Israel, why dont you call Tel Aviv and ask them, or call the DNC. Im sure they also have those figures.

75 posted on 10/23/2001 10:45:43 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: cactusSharp
and since I believe in JESUS CHRIST as God's son,am I anti semetic too ???
I do think both can apply, and perhaps do in this case. Just because you ate a sandwich for lunch, doesn’t mean you didn’t also eat a bag of nuts. Or were a bag of nuts.

patent  +AMDG

76 posted on 10/23/2001 10:45:55 AM PDT by patent
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To: SJackson
Of course there is more to the story, and everyone here knows that. But you have to understand that some people are always looking for something that they can claim as "anti-semitism" or anti-something. Some people just love being a victim or part of the oppressed and downtrodden.
78 posted on 10/23/2001 10:46:17 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: veronica
Well in that case I will just assume all Christians are traitors since Robert Robert Philip Hanssen is a Christian, eh? And........Aldrich Ames, too!

I guess you proved my point. Im talking national loyalty and you've converted that into religious loyalty. I can differentiate the two, apparently you dual citizens cant.

79 posted on 10/23/2001 10:49:15 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
I don't need to "call" Tel Aviv. We communicate telepathically- as do all Jews.

You really should be able to distinguish between rumors and facts- even if it was on TV.

80 posted on 10/23/2001 10:50:29 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: one_particular_harbour
How much clearance would he need as a mess kit counting officer? Or how about a nice assignment as a club officer somewhere?
Since he seems to like newspapers so much perhaps he should work in the press clipping and filing intelligence department.

patent  +AMDG

81 posted on 10/23/2001 10:52:18 AM PDT by patent
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To: damian5
You just listed every Jew.

The hundreds or more of other who have betrayed the US since the founding of the Republic were Gentiles.

82 posted on 10/23/2001 10:52:31 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
I don't need to "call" Tel Aviv. We communicate telepathically- as do all Jews.
Dang, we Catholics still have to send a telegram to the Vatican basement. We have to get with it.

patent  +AMDG

83 posted on 10/23/2001 10:53:40 AM PDT by patent
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To: Non-Sequitur
Being Jewish is not a sign of disloyalty.

According to the article, he wasnt stripped of his security clearance because he was jewish but because his ties to Israel (a nation) were too close.

84 posted on 10/23/2001 10:54:35 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Sabramerican
The hundreds or more of other who have betrayed the US since the founding of the Republic were Gentiles.

Look, I don’t like your blatant anti-Gentilism. We don’t need racists here.

85 posted on 10/23/2001 10:56:32 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: RCW2001
His loss of clearance is fatal to his career as an intel type--he'll obviously never make it past Major. However, they didn't kick him out. If anyone were REALLY gunning for him, he'd have been Separated. Now, for him to go to the press with this is REALLY bad judgment. He shouldn't even get a Confidential clearance at this point.
86 posted on 10/23/2001 10:56:40 AM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: patent
Yes, I do think that his clearance should be reinstated. What security did he break by talking to the press? What secret did he spill? What trust did he violate? He was the victim of an incredibly stupid bureaucratic act and he complained about it. So what? By bringing it out into the open it may result in a trained, skilled intelligence analyst being returned to duty at a time where we apparently need all the intelligence help we can get.
87 posted on 10/23/2001 10:57:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sabramerican
"Not that there is anything wrong with it" but we would not have asked if you had not told.

Who is we?

88 posted on 10/23/2001 10:57:58 AM PDT by jo6pac
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To: Non-Sequitur
Considering you're not even supposed to put your security clearance status on your resume, blabbing about it to the press is unsat.
89 posted on 10/23/2001 10:58:48 AM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: Sabramerican
You really should be able to distinguish between rumors and facts- even if it was on TV

Oh honored one. Tell me then, what is the largest block of overseas ballots received in the 2000 presidential election in florida, outside of military ballots? Are they Americans in Canada, Britain, Mexico, where or honored one?

90 posted on 10/23/2001 11:00:15 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Fred25
Ask him what Goyishe Kopf means....and how the description is used.
91 posted on 10/23/2001 11:01:05 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Zviadist
Back in 1962, JFK transferred General Edwin A. Walker from being in charge of our troops in Europe, because he was an aggressive right-wing member of the John Birch Society. Some officials were afraid Walker might do something rash to start a war with Russia.

Walker was later used as a model by Hollywood to represent the “crazy general” type in “Dr. Strangelove”, and “Seven Days in May”, and "Spies Like Us".

92 posted on 10/23/2001 11:01:12 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: jo6pac
Who is we?

The Center for Disease Control. What you "like" spreads AIDS.

93 posted on 10/23/2001 11:02:23 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Fiddlstix
Last Time I checked... They are on our side!

Wrong thinking big time. Ask any military person, the Israelis are on the side of Israel. This may sometimes match being on our side, but not always. It is a big mistake to ever think otherwise.

94 posted on 10/23/2001 11:02:26 AM PDT by berserker
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To: StolarStorm
Of course there is more to the story, and everyone here knows that. But you have to understand that some people are always looking for something that they can claim as "anti-semitism" or anti-something. Some people just love being a victim or part of the oppressed and downtrodden.

You mean there wouldn't be all these posts if he was Irish? You have to admit though, among the anti's are those posters who are anti-service based solely on his connection to Israel.

95 posted on 10/23/2001 11:03:02 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Dave S
I became a US citizen when I was 19 years old, and in fact at my swearing in ceremony I did have to verbally and audibly renounce my allegiance to Italy. I'm not completely sure but dual citizenship has always been allowed; but in order to maintain that dual citizenship you must be domiciled in both countries for so many months out of a year.

And I also want to add, that while I can't deny my affection for Italy; if a conflict ever arose between the US and Italy my total allegiance would be with the US. The US is the country that saved my parents and their children from being bound by their station in life. The freedom and the bounty that this country has provided for every American born and naturalized citizen is immeasurable. God Bless the USofA, now and forever.

96 posted on 10/23/2001 11:03:43 AM PDT by Aedammair
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yes, I do think that his clearance should be reinstated. What security did he break by talking to the press? What secret did he spill? What trust did he violate? He was the victim of an incredibly stupid bureaucratic act and he complained about it. So what? By bringing it out into the open it may result in a trained, skilled intelligence analyst being returned to duty at a time where we apparently need all the intelligence help we can get.
A highly skilled analyst who (1) has loose lips, and (2) has just embarrassed his employers, whom he still works for, by blabbing about racism. No thanks. I work as a lawyer. If one of my clients fires me for being Catholic I will not talk to a newspaper about it. My attorney/client relationship is confidential, including any reasons they have for firing me. Only if they start lying about me in public, which didn’t happen here, would I talk at all.

This guy had a much more important job then I do, and yet he thinks nothing of running to the press. No way would I reinstate him, and I would be quite happy to bet that his security clearance won’t be returned, if for no other reason then his loose lips. No, he didn’t betray any classified information, but he did betray his employer.

patent  +AMDG

97 posted on 10/23/2001 11:04:54 AM PDT by patent
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To: Dave S
It works like this. If you claim something it is up to you to prove the claim. Simple right?

Got to go now. Got work to do- controlling the world is work too.

98 posted on 10/23/2001 11:05:58 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
We need to increase Israeli intel with our own money.
No one's stopping ya. Cut 'em a check.
99 posted on 10/23/2001 11:06:14 AM PDT by AshleyMontagu
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To: Non-Sequitur
This is an uncomplicated matter. We are at war. I don't understand why any military officer should be allowed to maintain dual citizenship at such a time -- or at any time, for that matter. Certainly not an intelligence officer. We aren't told if he had the opportunity to renounce his foreign citizenship. I suppose he had his chance and foolishly rejected it, thus demonstrating that he's a security risk.
100 posted on 10/23/2001 11:06:29 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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