Yes, He Was A Dubious President, But This?

Tampa Tribune ^ | 10/22/01 | Daniel Ruth

[Exigence]

Nice exchange between you and D. Ruth. (Of course, it's pretty easy to outwit a moron, so you don't get big-time kudos for that.)

Thanks. I go to debate with liberal morons at least one a week just to have something to sharpen my claws on.

I think the thing that irritated me the most was Ruth's careful choice of the word "dubious" as a subtle slam at "Dubya." Of course, this guy would be in Florida. Wonder how many votes he cast in the last presidential election?

[kitkat]

Very good response to the author of that pathetic article. I just emailed him with my own thoughts as you suggested. Let's inundate him with emails. THE TIDE IS TURNING, and it's in our favor. Keep it moving.

[eaglesiniowa]

Excelllleeent response dude!!!!

[eureka!]

Re#4 and the Jeb v. Reno poll. Yep, I saw it and liked it, a lot. And she cannot blame "name recognition" as most challengers do with early low numbers. Florida voters know very well who she is....

[TruthShallSetYouFree]

Well, why not? Was not Clinton alive at the time all this stuff manifested itself? Coincidence? Draw your own conclusions.

The author's attempt at sarcasm misses the boat, and further reveals his liberal bias. Here is a simple example, drawn from real life:A pro football team is mired in mediocrity. They have finished 8-8, 9-7 and 7-9 the previous 3 years. They go out and hire a new man to run the club. He is given full responsibility for draft choices, trades, and the overall running of the club. Indeed, he is given two titles--general manager and coach. His record for the three years--7-9, 7-9, 6-10. He is replaced by a new leader with the same powers and responsibilities. In his first year, the new leader goes 5-11. Can you blame the previous guy for your poor season? Of course you can. Most of the players on the team were his choices.
The world George W. Bush is working in is the one he inherited from William Jefferson Clinton. Clinton's decisions and policies over those years established the framework that Bush is now dealing with. These include immigration policy, funding of the military, and foreign policy, to name just a few. Why were inspections halted in Iraq? Why were nuclear secrets leaked to, sold to, or allowed to be stolen by the Chinese? Clinton's search for a legacy involved getting signatures on pieces of paper from untrustworthy enemies whose signatures were never worth the paper upon which they were affixed.
George W. Bush had fewer than eight months to clear up a mess that had taken eight years to create. Yes, some of the blame can be attributed to former presidents, from FDR to George H.W. Bush. But, Clinton was the most recent occupant of The White House, and he was there for two full terms. Most of the blame is his.

[FreeAtlanta]

Good for You!! Author is a groupie. LOL ;-)

[kachina]

In any action taken by another, you can do one of three things.

1. Aid with the action.
2. Attempt to stop the action.
3. Stand by and do nothing.

Clinton chose to do the latter.

[Exigence]

Bump!

[marsis]

Seems to me there is plenty of blame to go around.

President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws July 30, 1996 Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON (CNN)

President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess.

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.

Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, doubted that the Senate would rush to action before they recess this weekend. The Senate needs to study all the options, he said, and trying to get it done in the next three days would be tough.

One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical markers in explosives "a phony issue."

Taggants value disputed Clinton said he knew there was Republican opposition to his proposal on explosive taggants, but it should not be allowed to block the provisions on which both parties agree.

"What I urge them to do is to be explicit about their disagreement, but don't let it overcome the areas of agreement," he said.

The president emphasized coming to terms on specific areas of disagreement would help move the legislation along. The president stressed it's important to get the legislation out before the weekend's recess, especially following the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park and the crash of TWA Flight 800.

"The most important thing right now is that they get the best, strongest bill they can out -- that they give us as much help as they can," he said.

Hatch blasts 'phony' issues Republican leaders earlier met with White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta for about an hour in response to the president's call for "the very best ideas" for fighting terrorism.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions that the White House wants. Some they're not going to get."

Hatch called Clinton's proposed study of taggants -- chemical markers in explosives that could help track terrorists -- "a phony issue."

"If they want to, they can study the thing" already, Hatch asserted. He also said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand wiretapping.

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said it is a mistake if Congress leaves town without addressing anti-terrorism legislation. Daschle is expected to hold a special meeting on the matter Wednesday with Congressional leaders.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[shortstop]

I've just sent Mr. Ruth the URL for this thread so he can see how well his column is playing in Peoria.

[steve-b]

And you, sir, are a groupie.

If he'd been a she, she could have been a "gropee".

[steve-b]

There's no denying that Clinton will go down in history as John Belushi's "Animal House" character -- the John "Bluto" Blutarski of presidents.

Just wanted to repeat this sentence for the record.

Clinton did a good enough job, all on his own, tainting his presidential legacy, without his detractors adding blood splatters.

This, ultimately, is the best his defenders can do for him. I hope he lives to be 120 and hears Chelsea's grandkids ask him if all the awful stuff about him in the history books is true.

[Exigence]

The world George W. Bush is working in is the one he inherited from William Jefferson Clinton.

Not to mention that the "honorable" Sen. Biden is still sitting on Bush appointments (aided by a liberal press that doesn't cover the delays). Even with the challenges facing us today, Biden is still pouting that Bush won the presidency.

[Exigence]

If he'd been a she, she could have been a "gropee".

Ouch! Too, too true.

[steve-b]

Nice try. Opposing Clinton's attempt to get an even bigger set of blackmail files on his personal enemies has nothing to do with the terrorism issue.

[Wait4Truth]

Just sent my email - thanks! We must NOT back down to the liberal journalists or TV news anchors. The time has come for us to fight like dogs - be outspoken, be quick to respond, don't allow them to spew their lies with no repercussions! We are the warriors - let's act like it. Our childrens' future depends on it. Call them - email them - get in their faces! We must win this battle!

[marsis]

Nice try. Opposing Clinton's attempt to get an even bigger set of blackmail files on his personal enemies has nothing to do with the terrorism issue.

Ah, thanks for the clarification, but you make it sound like there was something of substance out there to blackmail with.

[Nightstalker]

You are correct both Clinton and Bush would have had a hard time passing any real and significant anti-terrorism legislation prior to 9/11/01. However the public mood has definately shifted since then. Clinton probably did as much as he could given the political enviroment. Attempts to place the blame on Clinton are typical scapegoating. Notice how Bush made no effort to reverse any Clinton anti-terrorism policy until 9/11/01.

[Exigence]

Just sent my email - thanks! We must NOT back down to the liberal journalists or TV news anchors. The time has come for us to fight like dogs - be outspoken, be quick to respond, don't allow them to spew their lies with no repercussions! We are the warriors - let's act like it. Our childrens' future depends on it. Call them - email them - get in their faces! We must win this battle!

Amen and Big Bump to the Top!