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To: marshmallow
Yes, thousands of dead priests is sooo unremarkable. You are so right. I am so sorry, we should be kissing your arse, especially when our other great liberators had so much Vatican support, you know those nifty northern guys from Germany: the Nazies.

I have nothing directly against Catholicism, except on the theological level...but when you act hunky doory like nothing is wrong, you insult our intelligence by making the last millinium of transgressions seem indifferent...well they are not. As things stand now, you'll have a better chance of reunifying with the 40 thousand + branches of protestantism then with Orthodoxy.

If you want our forgiveness for your transgressions, as Christians we'll give it to you but if you want us to simply forget them or ignore them while singing your praises then, brother, I can only say: get off the crack...it's killing your brain cells.

When ever Catholics start talking to us Orthodox it almost always comes down to trying to talk to us like some errant children who've wondered away from their parents...the prodical sons...well sorry, we're not. So next time you can't figure out where the hostility is coming from, try for once to see things form our point of view...and we are not your prodical children...you were the ones who Schismed and invented dogma on the fly.

17 posted on 10/25/2001 11:57:50 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: madrussian; wildandcrazyrussian
BUMP
18 posted on 10/25/2001 11:59:49 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Yes, thousands of dead priests is sooo unremarkable. You are so right. I am so sorry, we should be kissing your arse, especially when our other great liberators had so much Vatican support, you know those nifty northern guys from Germany: the Nazies.

Records of the Soviet secret service now made public plus the testimony of various individuals, indicate that the one person who most preoccupied the Soviets was JP II. For good reason. The Russian Orthodox hierarchy was neutered by the communists and played a similar role to that of the current Chinese Patriotic Church. At best, a docile lap dog, which said and did nothing without state approval. At worst, KGB agents in cassocks.

The crack about the Nazis is a tired lie.

I have nothing directly against Catholicism, except on the theological level...

That's called contradicting yourself, my friend. Theology is, after all, what the Church is about.

but when you act hunky doory like nothing is wrong, you insult our intelligence by making the last millinium of transgressions seem indifferent...well they are not. As things stand now, you'll have a better chance of reunifying with the 40 thousand + branches of protestantism then with Orthodoxy.

Have you been paying attention to what the Pope has been saying? He has made a habit of apologizing for the sins of the Church towards numerous groups, the Orthodox and Jews among them. He is a truly humble man. What is conspicuously lacking is a reciprocal acknowledgement that wrongs have been committed on both sides, your own rants being a fine example of this lack of reciprocity.

If you want our forgiveness for your transgressions, as Christians we'll give it to you but if you want us to simply forget them or ignore them while singing your praises then, brother, I can only say: get off the crack...it's killing your brain cells.

As I said, the Pope has already asked for forgiveness. It has been slow in coming. Any chance we'll hear a mea culpa from your side?

When ever Catholics start talking to us Orthodox it almost always comes down to trying to talk to us like some errant children who've wondered away from their parents...the prodical sons...well sorry, we're not. So next time you can't figure out where the hostility is coming from, try for once to see things form our point of view...and we are not your prodical children...you were the ones who Schismed and invented dogma on the fly.

You sound very much like the arrogant Catholics you so resent.

21 posted on 10/25/2001 1:39:07 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Stavka2
Yes, thousands of dead priests is sooo unremarkable.

Many Orthodox priests were martyred, true. May they pray for all of us.

On the other hand, some "Orthodox" bishops and patriarchs drew their salary from the KGB.

Also on the other hand, the Catholic Church within the ex-USSR was virtually exterminated. We lost thousands of priests just in Spain, just due to the communist revolution supported there by Stalin.

As an aside, concerning Fatima. The Orthodox get very excited because they assume "Russia will be converted" means "Russia will become Catholic". However, the visionary Sr. Lucia indicates that "the conversion of Russia" may have already taken place. It seems that "the conversion of Russia" really meant her "conversion" (i.e., "turning away") from communism, rather than her "conversion to Catholicism" or even her "re-conversion to Orthodoxy".

48 posted on 10/26/2001 8:46:16 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Stavka2
you know those nifty northern guys from Germany: the Nazies.

Well at least they didn't beatify more than one of them. (And isn't that the funniest thing - choosing your own saints instead of letting God do it?)

60 posted on 10/27/2001 10:37:17 AM PDT by MarMema
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