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To: marshmallow
I have little historical knowledge of what happened in Croatia/Serbia, so can't respond, other than to say that I know for a fact that many of the accusations against the holy Cardinal Stepinac were instigated by the Marxists.

Right there you have already proved how little you know of your own knowledge of WW2...Croatia, where Catholic bishops ran concentration camps. Here's a link for you to educate yourself on. You can easily do a search on google and get quite a few nice archieval photoes...like the one of the Bishop of Croatia sitting at his desk with a jar full of eye balls that he personally gouged out...really touching of a man of Christ.

Established by who? You? This is pure garbage. Do you know anything of the Spanish Civil War? The "republican" fighters were nothing more than Marxists who were backed by Stalin and leftists worldwide. They slaughtered thousands of Catholic clergy and faithful. The Pope recently beatified a large number of them. The Catholic Church was persecuted during this time.

Yes and Franco, the man backed by Hitler and Mussalini and anyone else who believed in their view...or were you also conspicously not aware of that fact? Of whole german brigades ("mercenaries") with Stuka dive bombers and Mark II tanks fighting along side the Spanish facists.

Here, educate yourself on Hitler and your Pope Pious XII, it'll be good for you. The Holocaust and the Catholic Church

Role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's Holocust

And here marshmallow brain...lets see who's the idiot, some quotes from Hitler about his religious views: waiting for your enlightenment.

You see, you can apologize and minse words all you like, but the fact of the matter, the Catholic Church, which had no troubles excommunicating tens of thousands of religous men who questioned it's power, has never taken up the issue of excommunicating Hitler or any of the Nazies....please, tell me again how he excommunicated himself...which only works when the Bull is dropped, like it was dropped on two thirds of Christiandom at the time of the Schism.

Just love this little tid bit of information from that last article:Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books.

Or this quote, which is quite true and can even be seen in German made movies about the war, like Stalingrad..rent it some time, you might get enlightened. Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church to blindly follow all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical

Church laundering of Nazi monies at the end of the war

Hitler Aims Blow at "Godless" Movement A reprint from a new article from 1933.

Hope you enjoy my contribution to your education...remember..marshmallows melt to close to the fire.

33 posted on 10/26/2001 9:32:04 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Your total inability to engage in dialogue combined with your infantile abuse mark you out as someone who should not be taken seriously.

All I see in your posts is hatred.

35 posted on 10/26/2001 10:16:37 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Stavka2
You are flirting boldly with bigotry. Anyone who cannot discourse without contempt and name-calling is not interested in honest discussion; your talk is hampered by a sense that your case is weak: hence the namecalling.
42 posted on 10/26/2001 7:11:19 PM PDT by ventana
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To: Stavka2
the Catholic Church, which had no troubles excommunicating tens of thousands of religous men who questioned it's power, has never taken up the issue of excommunicating Hitler or any of the Nazies....please, tell me again how he excommunicated himself...which only works when the Bull is dropped, like it was dropped on two thirds of Christiandom at the time of the Schism.

Wow, the last time I heard this little number it was coming from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Funny company you put yourself in, there, Stavka2.

Let's see ... Hitler excommunicated himself by committing acts of violence against priests and religious, beginning not later than 1934. He formally defected from the Catholic Church on several occasions, not least when he declared in his "Table Talk" that he was "a pure heathen" and denied that he was a Christian at all. (What he said in his public speeches is really rather worthless ... he was a liar, you recall.) The fact that he had formally defected makes his excommunication meaningless under any circumstances; we can't "excommunicate" pagans ... can you?

And -- I'm amazed that you don't know this -- the Bull of Excommunication of 1054 excommunicated only the Patriarch of Constantinople, not "two thirds of Christendom" ... but in reality, it excommunicated nobody at all, because the Pope under whose authority it was issued was dead by that time, and had no authority to excommunicate anyone.

As far as German belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns," they'd carried that legend long before the Nazis arrived. And Germany was predominantly Lutheran, not Catholic, and Hitler drew the majority of his votes in Germany's last free election from the Lutheran districts (north and east), not the Catholic ones (south and west).

And I'm not even going to bother refuting the lies about Pope Pius XII ... Rabbi David Dalin does it much better than I can. You can find his article with the search engine.

Somebody's taught you a lot of nonsense, I'm sorry to say.

49 posted on 10/26/2001 8:59:21 PM PDT by Campion
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