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U.S. Incarceration Of Five Israelis Sparks Hard Questions...
Israel National News ^

Posted on 10/26/2001 4:00:00 PM PDT by RCW2001

U.S. Incarceration Of Five Israelis Sparks Hard Questions
Why have five young Israelis been detained for over six weeks in a maximum-security facility in New York on charges of minor immigration violations? Why have their deportation orders, which were issued one month ago, not yet been implemented? Why have the American authorities not taken note of the fact that, according to persons very close to the case, at least one of the five is on the verge of mental collapse? These are just some of the angry questions Jews in Israel are beginning to ask as more details of this bizarre case come to light.

The five, at least one of whom has asked to remain anonymous in order not to alarm his ill father and other ailing relatives, were originally arrested on Sept. 11 on charges relating to the Bin-Laden terrorist attacks. After up to 16 hours of "unpleasant" questioning, the investigators realized that they had made a mistake - but decided to keep the Israelis in jail anyway because their visas had expired. "The boys received deportation orders on Sept. 25," Atty. Steve Gordon, the New York attorney of one of them, said, "and I admit, I have no explanation as to why they have not yet been deported. Nor can I understand why they are being held in a maximum-security facility. Either the U.S. government is not telling us everything, or else it's true that the Immigration Service simply does not have enough manpower to implement the orders, as they claim."

Meanwhile, however, the five are suffering greatly. The mother of one told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson that she has it from a "first-hand source" that one of them is in "very dangerous psychological condition," and that the others are also suffering. The parents are in close contact with one another, and have become, the mother said, a support group for each other. "Hopefully, when the boys return, we will be able to tell the full story of how we helped each other," she said. She said that she was not allowed to communicate with her son during the six weeks following the arrests. When told that the Consul-General in New York had said that they might be released "next week," she said, "Of course they *might* be - but there has been no indication at all that anything has changed since a month or six weeks ago. The whole thing is one big question mark."

"Even the Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie Shmuel, the mother of another of the youths, told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson yesterday. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions." It has since been learned, however, that some of them were granted improved conditions two days ago.

Mrs. Shmuel said that President Moshe Katzav, New York Mayor Giuliani and others had attempted to intervene, but there have been no results so far. The youths are being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. When asked if the local Jewish community had gotten involved, both mothers said that they had been in contact with "someone there" but that they had not seen results.

A spokesperson for the Israeli Consulate in New York told Arutz-7 that in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, "the Americans now have different procedures for dealing with the detention of anyone arrested in connection with the attacks. Every single request of ours must go through the FBI and the State Department's legal team" - even though the terrorism charges have long been dropped. "We are doing as much as we possibly can on their behalf," she said.




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1 posted on 10/26/2001 4:00:00 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
This is weird. Why haven't these guys been put on a plane for home? Does our goverment buy the ticket or does someone else (like family) have to pay the airfare?
2 posted on 10/26/2001 4:05:33 PM PDT by Patria One
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To: RCW2001
This article violates a very basic rule of journalism: give the reader who, what, where, when and why.

There is no mention of WHAT they were doing in order to trigger their detainment (filming the WTC attack and collapse on a rooftop, and laughing and high-fiving each other).

3 posted on 10/26/2001 4:17:58 PM PDT by BushMeister
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To: RCW2001
blump
4 posted on 10/26/2001 4:19:47 PM PDT by beatnik
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To: BushMeister
"There is no mention of WHAT they were doing in order to trigger their detainment"

Interesting, huh?

5 posted on 10/26/2001 4:22:48 PM PDT by Patria One
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To: BushMeister
There is no mention of WHAT they were doing in order to trigger their detainment (filming the WTC attack and collapse on a rooftop, and laughing and high-fiving each other).

Well, I'm sure glad the mosque gave you the straight scoop to share it with us.
What part of "haven't released that information" don't you understand?
The "high five" episode has already been debunked as Muslim/Arabprop.

Having said that, if their visas have expired, Israeli or no, they suffer the consequences, like every other alien illegally here.

6 posted on 10/26/2001 4:28:46 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: RCW2001
"Of course they *might* be - but there has been no indication at all that anything has changed since a month or six weeks ago. The whole thing is one big question mark."

And the IDF *might* pull out of West Bank and Gaza...

7 posted on 10/26/2001 4:35:25 PM PDT by ObjetD'art
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To: RCW2001
Five Israelis Held In New York

Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge.

Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne'am, southeast of Haifa, says that her son Yaron is in "a very critical psychological situation," given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. "Even the Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson today. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions."

When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: "It's ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge [between upper Manhattan and New Jersey] at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food." She said that original reports that they had been arrested while boisterously watching the disaster from a rooftop "are totally fabricated. For one thing, they weren't even on a roof, they were in a van..."

When asked how she explains her son's continued incarceration and that of his friends, she said, "I truly have no explanation for this incredible story - except this: The Americans are using them as pawns to pressure the Israeli government. Am I being clear enough?" She said that President Moshe Katzav and others had attempted to intervene, but there have been no results so far. The youths are being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

A spokesperson for the Israeli Consulate in New York told Arutz-7 that in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, "the Americans now have different procedures for dealing with the detention of anyone arrested in connection with the attacks. Every single request of ours must go through the FBI and the State Department's legal team." She said, "We are doing as much as we possibly can on their behalf," including, she said, getting local Jewish leaders involved in the cause of the imprisoned young Israelis.

8 posted on 10/26/2001 5:10:09 PM PDT by ObjetD'art
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To: ObjetD'art
You found them out...The real culprits behind the WTC attacks. They're really just part of the Mossad, you know.

Amazing how they trained those Muslim Manchurian candidates to do all their dirty work for them. Jooos are so powerful.

Funny how no Jooos died in the attack? Helps to send out advance warning on the JoooRadar to all the Jooos.

Mayor Jewliani is part of the conspiracy, too.

/ Sarcasm

9 posted on 10/26/2001 5:21:48 PM PDT by vrwc54
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To: ObjetD'art; vrwc54
Ah well, the relentless defenders of the Palestinians and other terrorists must deflect blame - what with over 200 Muslim charities in the USA being investigated for terrorists ties and all.
10 posted on 10/26/2001 5:33:05 PM PDT by veronica
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To: vrwc54; veronica
Get a grip.

Posting additional information to a thread is not deflecting blame, nor has anyone here mentioned anything about any jewish conspiracy other than you.

11 posted on 10/26/2001 5:38:20 PM PDT by ObjetD'art
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To: Galloway
'Paranoia'

Says it for me!

13 posted on 10/26/2001 11:48:40 PM PDT by horsewhispersc
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To: RCW2001
These five were here illegally. This is described as "minor immigration violations".

They are repeatedly referred to as "youths" and "boys". They are 22-26. They're men and Israeli soldiers and are responsible for themselves. They know or should know what will happen if they break our laws.

I don't have any sympathy for them. The U.S. taxpayer is footing the bill for them to stay here and wlll foot the bill when they are flown back to Israel.

I'd like to see a lot more of these types of lockups with plenty of publicity to let people know that they should think twice about violating our borders and immigration policy.
14 posted on 10/27/2001 5:04:06 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Unalienable
Unalienable writes:

I find it hard to believe that they aren't involved in the attack in some way

You must really wish that the Jooos were behind the WTC some way, some how. It must really kill you that they weren't.

Keep grasping at straws, or better yet join your jihad friends over in the middle east. They all think it was the Jooos, too.

17 posted on 10/27/2001 3:53:51 PM PDT by vrwc54
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To: RCW2001
Oh, boo hoo. The poor little boys. No kosher food - it's another Holocaust.
19 posted on 10/29/2001 11:55:14 AM PST by AshleyMontagu
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To: Publius6961
"The 'high five' episode has already been debunked as Muslim/Arabprop."

Source please.

20 posted on 10/30/2001 3:13:42 AM PST by Tarakotchi
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