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ROME-MOSCOW WATCH -The Secret of Fatima: More to Come?
Inside the Vatican ^ | 26 October 2001 | Inside the Vatican Staff

Posted on 10/28/2001 1:27:22 PM PST by father_elijah

Fatima Secret Still Not Fully Revealed?

Despite repeated official Vatican denials, the rumor that some aspect of the "Third Secret" of Fatima has still not been revealed continues to spread. Is it groundless, or could there be something to it?

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ROME-MOSCOW WATCH
The Secret of Fatima: More to Come?

ROME -- News has just emerged that Sister Lucia dos Santos, the last surviving Fatima visionary, several weeks ago sent Pope John Paul II a letter reportedly warning him that his life is in danger.

According to Vatican sources, the letter, claiming that events spoken of in the "Third Secret" of Fatima had not yet occurred, was delivered sometime after September 11 to John Paul by the bishop emeritus of Fatima, Alberto Cosme do Amaral.

The Vatican has not confirmed publicly receipt of the letter.

One source for the story, which was reported on in the Italian press yesterday and today, is Italian priest Father Luigi Bianchi.

Bianchi claims to have met Sr. Lucia dos Santos last week at her cloistered Carmelite convent in Coimbra, Portugal. (She is not allowed to speak with anyone who has not received prior permission from the Vatican, so it is not immediately clear whether Bianchi received that approval, circumvented the need for it, or did not actually meet Sister Lucia as he maintains.)

"She told me she is very worried about the international situation," Don Bianchi told Italian journalist David Murgia. "She said we have entered a crucial time for the Church and for the world -- and that the only salvation is prayer."

The letter is said to contain this warning: "Soon there will be great upheaval and punishment." And it reportedly asks the Holy Father to pray because "your life is in danger."

The current bishop of Fatima, Serafim Ferreira de Sousa, when questioned by journalists, did not deny that Sr. Lucia had sent a letter to the Pope, but said "there are no letters from the seer that express fear for the life of the Pope."

Sources have also suggested that Sr. Lucia's letter encourages the Pope to fully reveal the Third Secret. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who presented the interpretation of the Third Secret on June 26, 2000, said yesterday that the recent rumours of a letter are only the continuation of, "an old polemic fed by certain people of dubious credibility," with the objective of "destabilizing the internal equilibrium of the Roman Curia and of troubling the people of God."

One of the people who seems to fit Cardinal Ratzinger's description, arguably, is a Canadian priest, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, head of the Fatima Center, who has been suspended “a divinis” by the Vatican. Fr. Gruner has long maintained that the "third secret" was not fully revealed by the Vatican and has publicly pressured Rome to release the full text.

Gruner claims that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is conducting a "campaign of mystification," revealing only parts of the secret. This "does not conform to the truth," Gruner says.

Regarding the life of the Pope, Don Bianchi is worried. "Lucia said that he is the target of the enemy, that his life is in danger and we need to pray for him," Bianchi said.

Sr. Lucia is reported to have also said to the Italian priest that the third secret has not yet been revealed in full.

In an interview with Murgia, Fr. Bianchi speculated on the possibility that the Vatican did not reveal the full secret "to avoid creating panic and anxiety in the population; to not scare them."

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and indeed John Paul II himself, have interpreted the assassination attempt on the Pope in 1981 as the realization of the warnings of the third secret.

But Don Bianchi says otherwise. "The message doesn't speak only about an attempt on the pontiff, but speaks of 'a white bishop who walks amongst the ruins and bodies of murdered men and women,'" Bianchi said. "This means that the Pope will have to suffer greatly, that some nations will disappear, that many people will die, that we must defend the West from becoming Islamicized. That is what is happening in these days."

Sr. Lucia, when asked by Fr. Bianchi what could be done to stop the terror that is increasing in the world, is said to have taken the rosary in her hand and said: "This is the only 'weapon' we have."


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1 posted on 10/28/2001 1:27:22 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: *Catholic_list; patent
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2 posted on 10/28/2001 1:28:33 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: father_elijah
Prayer should be the only weapon we really need. We should have faith in the authority we respect in our governments to do their duty in protecting us. That is biblical. Purely.
3 posted on 10/28/2001 1:41:03 PM PST by wastoute
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To: 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; TrueBeliever9
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4 posted on 10/28/2001 1:43:32 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: father_elijah
I would be very skeptical about anything that may be even remotely connected with Fr. Gruner, he's been on the lunatic fringe for some time. he's as much as called the Pope a liar on more than one ocassion.
5 posted on 10/28/2001 1:46:14 PM PST by KJMorgan
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To: father_elijah; Cap'n Crunch
...that we must defend the West from becoming Islamicized. That is what is happening in these days."

Amen.

6 posted on 10/28/2001 2:10:09 PM PST by pocat
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To: father_elijah
If Islamic terrorists whack the Pope, that would truly begin a Christian war against Islam.
7 posted on 10/28/2001 2:26:55 PM PST by etcetera
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To: etcetera
"If Islamic terrorists whack the Pope, that would truly begin a Christian war against Islam."

Interestingly, everything I've read over the years about this Pope would indicate he has an apocalyptic mindset. He doesn't expect to die naturally.

8 posted on 10/28/2001 2:33:59 PM PST by KJMorgan
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To: father_elijah
Maybe so, but on the whole I trust Cardinal Ratzinger. And I agree that Father Gruner is basically a cultist who is NOT to be trusted.

It wouldn't be surprising, or wrong, if the Pope kept part of the third secret to himself for prudential reasons; but Cardinal Ratzinger is very unlikely to have told an outright lie about it.

Aside from all that, the Pope is a prime target for terrorists. There's nothing wrong with a request to pray for him and for the world.

9 posted on 10/28/2001 2:34:06 PM PST by Cicero
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To: father_elijah
This will probably get me kicked off the board or worse, but Ezekiel 3:14-21 is ringing in my ears.

See the Ten Commandments as revealed to Moses by God Exodus 20:3-17 in a non-Catholic (such as KJV) Bible. Take special note of the first and second commandments. Also Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book: and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Read Revelation 17. The woman is the one-world religion consisting of apostate churches, headed up by the False Prophet.

Please read the following WHAT ATTITUDE ARE GENUINE CHRISTIANS TO HAVE DURING THESE LAST DAYS? WHAT DOES JESUS EXPECT?

If you make it all the way to the end of the article without having a stroke, and want to know more, please see the two links at the bottom of the article.

For your own salvation, if you subscribe to the beliefs in the article you posted, please dispense with false worship, and strive to be like the two churches in Revelation 3 (Smyrna 8:11, and Philadelphia 7-13). I only tell you this out of love, for I would hate to see anyone who hopefully loves Jesus Christ foremost, be lost for bowing down to false idols, and who risks being deceived by the antichrist. If I am wrong, I hope someone will correct me. I have to go now, but you can flame away at my private e-mail!

God Bless all who read this, and may we all receive true discernment, courage, and strength for these times. I sincerely mean that.

10 posted on 10/28/2001 2:46:18 PM PST by Ethan_Allen
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To: father_elijah
Thanks for the bump. The saga continues. I have to agree with the comments on this thread about Father Gruner. Long before I really knew anything about him some of his comments just defied reality. As to whether there is more to come on the secrets, that is possible. I really don't know, nor do I know how we could dare hope for the future if the Vatican is concealing these things.

patent

11 posted on 10/28/2001 2:50:16 PM PST by patent
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To: father_elijah
One more thing. Cuttingedge.org has a pretty good track record for what they print. However, I think they may be wrong on the pre-trib rapture, seeing how millions of Christian souls have already been lost in Sudan and elsewhere. I think the important thing is to get right with God, and try to be ready spiritually for whatever His plans for us are.
12 posted on 10/28/2001 2:54:09 PM PST by Ethan_Allen
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To: Ethan_Allen
Well, Ah reckon you're right, what with Pastor Billy Bob sayin so and such.
13 posted on 10/28/2001 2:55:30 PM PST by KJMorgan
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To: etcetera
If Islamic terrorists whack the Pope, that would truly begin a Christian war against Islam.

A Muslim assassin shot the pope once, and nothing happened. Why do you think it will be different this time?

14 posted on 10/28/2001 2:55:37 PM PST by 537 Votes
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To: father_elijah
What are your thoughts on this?
15 posted on 10/28/2001 2:56:14 PM PST by onyx
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To: 537 Votes
A Muslim assassin shot the pope once, and nothing happened. Why do you think it will be different this time? 9-11-01
16 posted on 10/28/2001 2:57:43 PM PST by onyx
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To: father_elijah
The text of the Third Secret: "on July 13, 1917, and committed to paper by Sr. Lucia on January 3, 1944:

"I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

"After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendor that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: 'Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God."

17 posted on 10/28/2001 3:02:47 PM PST by KJMorgan
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To: etcetera
If Islamic terrorists whack the Pope, that would truly begin a Christian war against Islam.

There might be a Roman Catholic war against Islam, but that would not be a Christian war, at least according to the Bible.

2 Cor. 10:3&4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal...

Unless you mean by "war" that you are going to do more to try to convert them.

Hank

18 posted on 10/28/2001 3:03:47 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Once again proving the truth of the old saying;

"Give an idiot a Bible..."

19 posted on 10/28/2001 3:06:12 PM PST by KJMorgan
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Hey! Welcome, KJMorgan, I see you are new here! I too reside in the empire state. Glad to have you aboard. V's wife!
20 posted on 10/28/2001 3:06:42 PM PST by ventana
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