Skip to comments.ROME-MOSCOW WATCH -The Secret of Fatima: More to Come?
Posted on 10/28/2001 1:27:22 PM PST by father_elijah
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As far as the Third Secret is concerned I think Mother Angelica said it well when she observed that the Third Secret was being revealed appropriately. From the way she said it one could take her to mean that the Third Secret had been faithfully revealed -- and yet there could be more to it.A good way to say it, I think. I often think that all of revelation is similarly being revealed in each of our lives. Gods power is awesome and universal.
Clearly since 9/11 we should pray for many, many things not least of which is praying for the Pope's health, safety, and life. I also pray for a breakthrough so he may travel very soon to Moscow.Amen.
Let's not forget that the Catholic Church continues to exist in north Africa though besieged and oppressed. Among the faithful from Egypt through Libya and into Algeria are some of the bravest Christians you could ever meet. Not one of them will let anything happen to our Pope if they can do something to stop it.Amazing people, that they can survive in their environment is incomparable. It is humbling to think that I wouldnt have done remotely as well.
patent, I guess when I've asked you to pray for me I must unwittingly have been worshipping you -- or so some would have us believe.Its OK, so many people worship me I just get used to it. The trick is to not let it go to your head. < /sarcasm >
And when non-Catholic Christians show up to bash, stab, or challenge, as the case may be, I pray for them to find the Neverending thread where their posts are welcomed and encouraged.
Your link only shows a Catholic praying to Mary, and I will quite clearly state that most Catholics do pray to her. The part of the link that states:No Catholic worships Mary"A CATHOLIC WORSHIPING MARY
They sin by praying to her and then sin again by lying and saying that they don't.Is a blatant out and out lie. Catholics clearly and readily state that they pray to her, so the claim that we lie and say we dont, is just that, a lie. The only Catholics I have ever heard claim they dont pray to Mary and other saints are the CINOs, Catholics in name only who are barely, if at all, Catholic. Dont spread lies about us.
As to praying to Mary, it is not worship. That is what I said, we do not worship her. There is a difference between a prayer to God, asking that he forgive our sins, etc. and a request to Mary that she pray for us as well. It is no different from asking any other living individual to pray for us to our Lord, as Mary is quite clearly living.
Open minded ? [sic] Hopefully I'm diarming [sic] the religious fanatics. Do the radical Islamics ring a bell in your little brain ? [sic]It is quite amazing that in a post with three errors you refer to someone else as having a little brain. If you cannot see any differences between Islam and Catholicism you are quite clearly the one with the little brain.
I suspect that the description of holiness will end up sounding like a description of those graven images in your local church of Rome. You know, the ones they don't worship.Does your home have any images in it? Do you worship them?
A religious fanatic is a religious fanatic. Thats all I will say.Of course, and it is true simply because you say so. Wiley merely blurts out his opinion, and so it is. There are many kinds of faiths out there, and not all are equal, not all are the same, and very few of them produce men willing to fly a jet into the side of a building. Your hatred of faith blinds you.
The Gospel at Mass today was the Gospel of the Pharisee and the Publican. You know that one?
You guys worry a lot about our supposed sins of "idolatry". In fact, you worry a whole lot more about our supposed sins of idolatry than any Christian ought to worry about any one else's sins. I don't recall spending much of my life worrying about your sins. I worry about my own.
I would like some proof that any of you are at a sufficiently advanced state of spiritual development that you are in a position to instruct any of the Catholics on this thread. Please, each of you, detail for us a time when you committed the sin of idolatry in your own life, how you recognized it, how you repented of it, and how you lived that repentance. That way we'll know you know something of idolatry besides the fact that it gives you an excuse to point the finger. This sin of idolatry must not have any relationship to Catholicism; I want to see some capacity for self-criticism, not "Rome-criticism".
Failing that, why don't you just admit that you're all acting like Pharisees and shut up for a change.
And apparently all you're capable of saying. Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan were both politicians, but there was a world of difference between them.
I believe in god but I do not believe in Popes, Kings or Elvis/Me too. I also dont believe in Presidents, Congressmen, Chocolate, Soldiers, or anything else. My faith is in God. I trust Gods Word. When that Word states that it has chosen Peter to shepard His flock, I obey God.
You mean an abridged Bible.
All these scriptures mention MY NAME and the fact that men have forgotten MY NAME!!
What NAME do you call Him? I call Him by His Hebrew Name: Yahweh.
The Word was made flesh.
PING and FLAG
I believe that Sister Lucy has said that it deals with apostasy. I suppose there are several ideas as to what apostasy is, but one that I read was when James and others considered Paul apostate for falling away from the Law. (Saying that the Law was dead).
If that is a reasonable definition of apostate, it would certainly fit in with what Sister Lucy said. For there are a great many that have fallen away from the Law.
It seems that she also said it would have a negative impact on the church. And if people have been deceived about the Law being dead, well, that would sure have a negative impact!
Satan knows the right address. When we are attacked from all sides, we should be the most at ease, and it should deepen our faith. The libs, the pop cons, the homosexual advocates, the greens, the reds, the feminazis, the atheists, the fundies, the Jack Chicks...what do they all have as least common denominator? Anti-Catholicism.
Satan knows the right address, even if individually they do not.
You would think the fundies would look at the company they keep (The libs, the pop cons, the homosexual advocates, the greens, the reds, the feminazis, the atheists) and "come out of her."
Was Peter chosen after the death of James, who was the head of the Jerusalem church after the crucifixion?Peter was chosen by Jesus Christ, so it would have been before the death of James. This is of course based on the Catholic view that the Bible clearly sets forth that Peter was the Rock, and was told to tend our Lords sheep. Obviously, this is disputed by many here.
From that thread:
Sr. Lucy Receives New Message
Source: Diocese Report
Posted on 10/7/01 7:41 PM Eastern by HapaxLegamenon
Michael Matt, editor of the Remnant a traditionalist Catholic newspaper published the following report on their website. We have been informed by a reliable contact in France that Sister Lucy (the only surviving seer of the Fatima apparitions) has delivered a message to Carmelite sisters in France. According to this report, Sister Lucy recently received another communication from the Mother of God. In the wake of that communication, we are told, Sister Lucy has asked Carmelite sisters throughout the world to pray specifically on the Feast of the Most Holy Rosary for a special intention. That intention is, we are told, that the world might be spared a blood bath.
Whether this has any connection to the impending war with Islamic terrorists, we have no way of knowing. Though our French source is reliable, we have not been able to confirm this report ourselves, and are now in the process of trying to do so. At least two Carmelite convents in the United States have indicated to us that they have NOT received such a message. One Carmelite convent, however, did confirm that they did receive a letter from the Asociatcion Ntra. Sca Del Rosario in Fatima Portugal (dated September 13th, 2001), which did call on the Carmelite order to unite with Sister Lucy in praying for peace in the world on October 7the Feast of the Holy Rosary. In this letter (written in Spanish) there was no mention of a recent communication to Sister Lucy from Our Lady, nor was there reference to a blood bath. We are presently waiting for the text of the French version. In any event, we believe that, because time is short between now and the Feast of the Holy Rosary, it would be a good idea for all Catholics to join the Carmelites in praying for this intention on tomorrows Feast. Such an intention is a certainly most worthy, especially right now; so even if this French report turns out to be somehow exaggerated, the intention is still well worth remembering during this critical hour of unrest and uncertainty in the world.
The text from Sr. Lucy's convent.
And a further explanation:
Spirit Daily - Daily spiritual news from around the world (some good stuff, some questionable stuff on this site IT WAS ANOTHER NUN AND NOT SISTER LUCIA WHO REQUESTED A SPECIAL DAY OF PRAYER
@Spirit Daily ,p> A source in Coimbra, Portugal, at the convent where Fatima seer Lucia dos Santos resides, has told Spirit Daily that the idea for a vigil prayer last week did not originate because of a new revelation given to Sister Lucia and was not even the seer's original idea. It started with another nun.
"What happened was that Mother Maria do Pilar, some years ago, had an intuition that we could save the world with the blessed Rosary," says our source. "Mother Maria is the founder of the movement of the blessed Rosary. It's a movement of priests, nuns, and laity. Now, Mother Maria do Pilar is in Fatima. When she first came and was in the Apparitions Chapel she remembered that the Blessed Virgin appeared with the brown Scapular. She associated the Rosary with the Scapular. She talked with Sister Lucia about this and Sister Lucia agreed. We can't separate the Scapular from the Rosary. In the Carmel order we are celebrating 750 years of the brown Scapular that was given to Saint Simon Stock by the Blessed Virgin, the Mother of Carmel. For us a blessed year. A year full of grace. It's because of the 750 years and because of the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared with the Scapular, as Our Lady of Carmel, that Mother Maria do Pilar with the sympathy of Sister Lucia of the Immaculate Heart of Mary invited all Carmelites for the prayer vigil on October 7."
Rumors had swept the world that Sister Lucia had received a new revelation urging a prayer vigil that day in order to stem off a coming "bloodbath."
Your reply does not address my question: By what NAME do you call the Creator?It is a very strange question, and I hope you will explain why you ask it.
I'm really not trying to be argumentative, however, referring to Him as God is not calling Him by name.Perhaps. Regardless, it is addressing him. I dont use one word to always refer to God, regardless of the circumstances. Neither do you, given that you use the capitalized terms God and Him above. I often refer to the Father as the Father, as Christ instructed, and as God. I refer to the Son as Jesus Christ, Jesus, our Lord, and so on. I refer to the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, generally.
Baal was a God.Baal was not a god, it was a figment of someones imagination.
Some people worship money as their god and so on and on. Anything or anyone can be referred to as a god or lord.What does this have to do with what name I use for God? Did you think I was going to say I call my God a $100 bill?
If His name was not important, why would those verses I referred to make a point of saying "they have forgotten my NAME?His name is clearly important, but that does not mean that we always call Him by it.
I think the bible clearly states that James was the head of the Jerusalem church in Acts. hmmmmm Trying to recall.Just as my Bishop is the head of the Twin Cities Church. I do believe James was the head of the Church at Jerusalem.
There was a recent article about the Vatican allowing some changes to the Bible based on the Dead Sea Scrolls. I believe there are texts in there that confirm that when asked to whom they should go, Jesus told them to go to James. Not saying that that would be a change, just speculating on what changes might be in store. I think it was one of these documents in which James and others call Paul the 'spouter of lies' and spoke of his apostasy. Even this bible change could fit into the third secret.... kind of interesting.Not much of this is described in the link you provided, not that this means anything. If there are to be changes Im not qualified to guess what they may be. Way beyond my level.
Vatican Allows Scrolls ChangeA good rule of thumb I go by. If it is a British newspaper describing a change to Catholicism, I assume it is wrong. Hasnt failed me yet, so far it is about 6-0 in the last couple months.
Tonight the Sun No Longer Shines Through the Chapel Window
by Dr. Brian J. Kopp
Every Tuesday night at 7:00pm, I escape to my little place of refuge, an hour of quiet and solitude for just me and my Lord. Our parish opened a Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapel two years ago, and I have withdrawn to this place of solitude and peace weekly ever since, to be with Our Lord and pour out my joys and sufferings and fears. I write quietly now from the rear pew, scribbling these notes on the blank pages at the back of my copy of the book "Providence" by Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange, OP.
Tonight I finally noticed that the sun is no longer streaming through the stained glass window at the front of the chapel beside the altar. During late spring, through summer, and into early fall, at some time during my hour of Adoration, the setting sun shines brilliantly through this window. It dazzles my eyes at I look at Jesus Christ present body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the exposed Holy Eucharist in the monstrance.
This chapel once served as a place of refuge for the nuns who lived in this convent beside my parish church. The convent now sits quiet and empty, while our faithful pastor has made good use of its old chapel.
Often, as I prayed here during the seasons just past, the gleam of the sunset through this window represented to me the blinding light of His Presence here. It warmed my body and my soul as I came before the Lord, weary, looking for a place of refuge.
Tonight that light is gone. Sunset passed long before I arrived. Darkness shrouds this chapel, but Christ's presence is not dependent on my senses nor the sunlight of the natural world shining above.
Yet this darkness mirrors the melancholy of my soul. "The Winter Blues." "The instinct to hibernate." "Seasonal Affective Disorder" (to use the aseptic terminology of psychology). Regardless of the name, many get varying degrees of this melancholy of mind and soul beginning every year at this time. Each fall for me it is the same, the melancholy descending with the shortening days and falling leaves, withering flowers and migrating geese, my psych and soul mimicking the changes in nature. It abruptly accelerates and grows deeper with the passing of daylight-saving time.
Yet this fall seems to descend more quickly and more harshly. No light shines through the chapel window this evening. And that melancholy of psych and soul is so much more acute this year for myself and for so many souls with whom I have spoken and communicated. That melancholy is amplified many fold by the events of this fall.
Talk to anyone who is deeply spiritual. Even if unable to articulate it, they sense it. There is that sense that this fall is different from all the falls that came before it, for many years, at least in the lives of most who live today. There is a sense, if not of foreboding or fear, then at least of resignation. Anyone with a spiritual sense feels that suffering approaches, suffering on a level and of such a nature unseen in America in many seasons. It is not wise to dwell long on such things, but people of faith, spiritual people, feel it in their souls, and think it quietly, in minds troubled over its implications.
We stand in a Garden of Gethsemane. We know in our soul something awaits. Even if we do not have the perfect foreknowledge Christ had in His Agony, even if we know that we as a nation are sinful while Christ was without sin, we know that this cup shall not pass. Others may deny the cup exists, and some may know in their souls but refuse it. But people of faith know it is time for us to drink of the cup. No one asks for it, but we say, "Not my will but Thy Will be done."
A leader with the moral and spiritual foundation of a Mother Teresa can look politicians in the eye and say, "The fruit of abortion is nuclear war." A leader with the moral and spiritual foundation of a Mother Angelica can look the camera in the eye, with the face of a benevolent pirate, a saintly Italian smile, and a soul of steel, and tell the world that, "We will suffer. Don't ask me how I know, but we will suffer."
They can say publicly that which we can hardly admit to ourselves, or only share with our closest fellow believers. They simply articulate that which our souls, quickened to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, have already warned us.
Our season is passing into the shadow of the death of winter. Our melancholy of soul must not win out over our hope in the Lord. We must steel our souls for the time ahead. Yes, there will be suffering. There will be darkness. The darkness in men's souls will sometimes seem to mimic the darkness about us. Some men's hearts will grow as cold as the winter wind closing upon us. How shall we respond? How shall we persevere?
Nature's God answers, "Do not despair, for I promise yet another spring lies waiting. Persevere. Gird your hearts. Do not let your love grow cold. I will renew all things." His only begotten Son answers, "Be not afraid. I go before you always. Come follow me, and I will give you rest."
A stooped old Polish man, frail and seeming to carry the world's weight on his shoulders, repeats the anthem to all who will hear. "Be not afraid. A springtime of the faith awaits. Persevere! There is hope! The darkness shall be vanquished! Be not afraid!"
Tonight, the sun is no longer shining through my Adoration Chapel window. A weight still lies on my soul and on the souls of many, as we depart from the garden and begin the climb towards Calvary.
I write these words on the blank pages in the back of a book, "Providence," by Fr. Reginald Marie Garrigou-LaGrange, OP. He taught spiritual theology at the Angelicum in Rome. One of his greatest students was a young Pole, now a stooped old man known to all as John Paul II and beloved by many, traveling across the globe crying out in the darkness, "Be not Afraid!"
Fr. Reginald Marie Garrigou-LaGrange concludes his book on "Providence" with this brief footnote:
"In times of great affliction not a few interior souls have found peace and even joy, though circumstances continued to give immense pain, when through God's inspiration they have conceived the idea of making a vow of self-abandonment to Providence.
"When a soul is prompted by grace to make such a vow and is firmly resolved not to divorce self-abandonment from fidelity to daily duties, the following form [of prayer] may be used. It should be renewed daily during the prayer of thanksgiving:
"Whenever the will of God is expressed in a cross, I will yield myself to it entirely and with a note of joy, paying no regard to what was instrumental in bringing it about. In difficulties that in any way distress me I will avoid all self-probing, introspection, and idle preoccupations; I will steep myself more deeply in confidence, and seek to solve my difficulties through the action of grace. I will take up this attitude of mind and heart and plunge myself in God the instant something occurs to wound me.
"And all this I will do with an exceeding great love."
James summoned Paul to Jerusalem twice... so he must have had some power authority over Paul.
I did find some translations online regarding a couple of th e Dead Sea Scrolls, but they only translated a paragraph's worth, and acted like that was all. The book I have has the translation on one side and the original text on the other page, and they are longer than a paragraph!! lol
Actually, I know someone involved in the project. Apparently, the longest book of the Bible contained within the scrolls in the Book of Isiah. Of the thousands and thousands of words contained in the Book of Isiah, the Scrolls suggest 13 changes be made. Not one of them changes the meaning of a single sentence.
The big news of the Dead Sea Scrolls is that the translations that we already have are more accurate than anyone previously believed. It will be the revisionists who'll be taking their lumps on this one so expect a lot of hype in the opposite direction. Their master just loves lies, you know!
11 Posted on 09/10/2001 17:51:08 PDT by FormerLib
Lots of coincidences. Plus, obviously this would be the right time in world history to see Divine Intervention.
And we cannot forget the prophetic words of Mother Teresa, "The fruit of abortion is nuclear war."
I knew a man who believed Atlanta and Los Angeles were especially in danger of terrorist attack because they were Olympic cities and were well known around the world. He told me that while praying he saw them disappearing in an unbearable light. I used to think he was simply a pious soul with an overactive imagination. Since 9/11 I have been re-evaluating many things including this.