Skip to comments.ROME-MOSCOW WATCH -The Secret of Fatima: More to Come?
Posted on 10/28/2001 1:27:22 PM PST by father_elijah
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Then there is Cardinal Ratzinger. He is the pope's right hand man. There simply could not be a more stable, wise and trustworthy Catholic leader. When he says something you can trust it. So whatever Grunner says should be tested against what Ratzinger says and Ratzinger should be heeded not Grunner.
Or, better yet, when you prayed to Patent asking him to pray for you... considering that the definition of "to pray" is "to entreat; to implore"... ;)
Wow.. hey I must be a visionary too.. I KNOW we are in a crucial time for the world.. geez.. who'd have know?
You siad, "When Peter spoke of 'the Holy One and the Just' [Acts 3:14], had Peter not already seen Jesus in person?"
Yes. But what is your point? Are you implying that Peter saw Jesus' Holiness? Nothing like that is stated anywhere. Jesus is the Holy One and Just, and that is Who Peter saw. Nothing more.
Oops, there I go again . . . .
witness manifest holiness with one's own eyes.
That Peter spoke of the Holy One and the Just, Whom Peter had seen, is entirely consistent with the notion that Peter had witnessed [Jesus'] manifest holiness with his own eyes.
I see. Then you can tell me what holiness looks like. Please do.
I don't have to.
Peter saw Jesus. Peter later called Jesus the Holy One. From this I conclude that Jesus' holiness was manifest [recall that Arthur McGowan's term was manifest holiness] to Peter. Certainly Jesus' holiness was not hidden from Peter, nor was Peter indifferent to or unaware of Jesus' holiness.
You remain free to reach a different conclusion, though I really can't understand why you would do so.
If you wish to continue this discussion, please FReepmail me. I may well have erred by diverting the thread. If so, I ask the forgiveness of all.
As far as the Third Secret is concerned I think Mother Angelica said it well when she observed that the Third Secret was being revealed appropriately. From the way she said it one could take her to mean that the Third Secret had been faithfully revealed -- and yet there could be more to it.A good way to say it, I think. I often think that all of revelation is similarly being revealed in each of our lives. Gods power is awesome and universal.
Clearly since 9/11 we should pray for many, many things not least of which is praying for the Pope's health, safety, and life. I also pray for a breakthrough so he may travel very soon to Moscow.Amen.
Let's not forget that the Catholic Church continues to exist in north Africa though besieged and oppressed. Among the faithful from Egypt through Libya and into Algeria are some of the bravest Christians you could ever meet. Not one of them will let anything happen to our Pope if they can do something to stop it.Amazing people, that they can survive in their environment is incomparable. It is humbling to think that I wouldnt have done remotely as well.
patent, I guess when I've asked you to pray for me I must unwittingly have been worshipping you -- or so some would have us believe.Its OK, so many people worship me I just get used to it. The trick is to not let it go to your head. < /sarcasm >
And when non-Catholic Christians show up to bash, stab, or challenge, as the case may be, I pray for them to find the Neverending thread where their posts are welcomed and encouraged.
Your link only shows a Catholic praying to Mary, and I will quite clearly state that most Catholics do pray to her. The part of the link that states:No Catholic worships Mary"A CATHOLIC WORSHIPING MARY
They sin by praying to her and then sin again by lying and saying that they don't.Is a blatant out and out lie. Catholics clearly and readily state that they pray to her, so the claim that we lie and say we dont, is just that, a lie. The only Catholics I have ever heard claim they dont pray to Mary and other saints are the CINOs, Catholics in name only who are barely, if at all, Catholic. Dont spread lies about us.
As to praying to Mary, it is not worship. That is what I said, we do not worship her. There is a difference between a prayer to God, asking that he forgive our sins, etc. and a request to Mary that she pray for us as well. It is no different from asking any other living individual to pray for us to our Lord, as Mary is quite clearly living.