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USA, U.K. TO SHOOT MISSILES ON IRAQ?
RIA Novosti ^ | 2001-10-28 12:22 | Yuri Zinin and Konstantin Maximov

Posted on 10/28/2001 4:47:09 PM PST by Orion78

BEIRUT, OCTOBER 28, 2001. /RIA Novosti correspondents Yuri Zinin and Konstantin Maximov) -- The USA and Great Britain are plotting to hit 300 targets in Iraq with a thousand missiles to overthrow President Saddam Hussain, Iraq's Vice-Premier Tariq Aziz said in an interview the British-based Sunday Telegraph carries today.

Iraq expects the US-British plan to be implemented, sooner or later, said the Vice-Premier as he flatly refuted suspicions of Baghdad behind the US anthrax mail.


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: anthrax; aziz; iraq; missiles; tariqaziz; wot
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1 posted on 10/28/2001 4:47:09 PM PST by Orion78
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To: Orion78
I think Bush is pushing it too much.
2 posted on 10/28/2001 4:51:27 PM PST by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: Orion78
Interesting. Who is RIA Novosti? How reliable is this?
3 posted on 10/28/2001 4:56:18 PM PST by PianoMan
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To: Orion78
I wouldn't worry about this. I think this is just BS.
4 posted on 10/28/2001 4:56:21 PM PST by wlj1
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
I think Bush is pushing it too much.

Tell us. How would you like your personal serving of terrorism?

Coming soon to a theatre near you (unless you have the guts to fight it).

5 posted on 10/28/2001 4:59:10 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: PianoMan
I think these guys used to write for Pravda.

I believe this before I would believe the Washington Post.

6 posted on 10/28/2001 5:00:14 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
I think Bush is pushing it too much.

Pushing what too much?

8 posted on 10/28/2001 5:07:17 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
Expansion of this war is total insanity of the highest order. We can't win. There is NO WAY.
9 posted on 10/28/2001 5:10:14 PM PST by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
I think AMMON-CENTRIST is pushing for attention.
10 posted on 10/28/2001 5:10:21 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
HE IS NOT PUSHING ENOUGH!!! NUKE EM
11 posted on 10/28/2001 5:11:11 PM PST by NC Conservative
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
WE CAN'T WIN? YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING HARBOILED WITH COMMISSAR MATTHEWS ON PMSNBC!!!!
12 posted on 10/28/2001 5:12:52 PM PST by NC Conservative
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
HE IS NOT PUSHING ENOUGH!!! NUKE EM
13 posted on 10/28/2001 5:15:13 PM PST by NC Conservative
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To: PianoMan
Novosti used to be run by the KGB. It's a Russian website.
14 posted on 10/28/2001 5:16:34 PM PST by Fred25
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To: PianoMan
The foreign country of origin is listed on that site as “ru” for Russia.
15 posted on 10/28/2001 5:18:06 PM PST by Fred25
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
IF ANTHRAX = IRAQ, THEN

BAGHDAD = HIROSHIMA

16 posted on 10/28/2001 5:19:11 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Orion78
... Iraq's Vice-Premier Tariq Aziz said in an interview ...

Tariq Aziz. Sheesh! This tiresome wog is simply trying innoculate world opinion against what Iraq has coming to it. Kind of analogous to how you might innoculate a human body against a bacillus by introducing into it a harmless bug that resembles the real thing enough to get the immune system excited.

A question worth asking, however, is why is he squawking at this point in time? What has spooked him? The attack he outlines would not be all that useful without a ground followup to occupy the country and desaddamize it.

17 posted on 10/28/2001 5:21:40 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
We've had wars with Iraq before. The big thing that bothers me is they're letting the enemies who are on US soil stay where they can and will attack American citizens.
18 posted on 10/28/2001 5:22:05 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Orion78
In a way, this administration is starting to look like the lady who had a habit of arranging her own weddings and then never showing up. Air power is wonderful stuff, but it is close to useless without men on the ground.
19 posted on 10/28/2001 5:24:49 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: FITZ
If you wish to deport the ones doing pro-terrorist deeds against every day Americans, go for it.
20 posted on 10/28/2001 5:27:39 PM PST by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: Orion78
Only 1,000 missiles?

They underestimate us.

Again.

22 posted on 10/28/2001 5:30:08 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jimmyBEEgood
Some of yall freepers are just too dangerous for America's own good. Nuke'n isn't going to solve our problems.
23 posted on 10/28/2001 5:37:37 PM PST by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: Orion78
I would like to know who the traitor is leaking everything?
24 posted on 10/28/2001 5:39:18 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
We can't win. There is NO WAY.

Who is your "we"? What is it that can't be won?

25 posted on 10/28/2001 5:46:26 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: Orion78
After clinton wasted nearly all our cruise missiles in Yugoslavia, I doubt that we have 1,000 missiles to shoot into Iraq. I also doubt that we will attack Iraq until things are under control in Afghanistan. One thing at a time.
26 posted on 10/28/2001 5:48:16 PM PST by Cicero
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
yeah, me too!
27 posted on 10/28/2001 5:52:29 PM PST by knak
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
As usual, you are the liberal in conservative clothing when you post.
30 posted on 10/28/2001 6:04:15 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Cicero
Then build the damn military up. It looks like there is a slow beginning to do so....we need for that to increase. It isn't like we can't beat Iraq, for heaven's sakes. It is only if we get multiple fronts at the same time that we would run into difficulty. Eventually, it may come to that so we should build up.
31 posted on 10/28/2001 6:07:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
"...300 targets in Iraq with a thousand missiles.."

That is three missiles per target. If they average 2 500 pound bombs and one 1000 pound bomb, then that is equivalent to 2000 pounds of ordance per target. There is no way that this would be effective in destroying Iraq.

Get a life. make it believable.

32 posted on 10/28/2001 6:25:04 PM PST by vannrox
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To: RaceBannon
Race, I like the way you teach math. I get the same answer to that equation.

Let's hope the German guy yesterday was talking through his hat about 10/29. All I know is, if anything else happens here, we go tactical nuke same day. Iraq and Afghanistan for starters.

33 posted on 10/28/2001 6:25:23 PM PST by exit82
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To: Orion78
7.4.3 Iraq
Iraq's status as a "former weapons developing state" is of course purely involuntary. The international inspections and pressure put on Iraq after its crushing defeat in Desert Storm have allowed much of its previous nuclear program to be revealed and dismantled. The discoveries made after the war surprised intelligence agencies and analysts around the world, and called into question how effective the monitoring of nuclear programs has been. Iraq has continued to conceal information and technology whenever possible. It has never released the sources of its illegally imported nuclear technology, and significant pieces of equipment are known to be missing. Presumably Iraq continues to pursue nuclear ambitions, but under the continuing UN import/export restrictions, its ability to pursue them are limited.

Iraqi equivalent of the Los Alamos laboratory was its nuclear development complex at Al Atheer, 40 km south of Baghdad. This facility and the adjacent Al Hateen high-explosive facility, was blown up under UN supervision on 14 April 1992. Documents show that it was the intended center for nuclear weapons development. This state-of-the-art research facility included a 15,000 m^2 uranium metallurgy plant, a HE test firing bunker, internal explosion test chambers, a tungsten carbide production facility (usable perhaps for a weapon tamper material), and large amounts of dual use test, measuring, and fabrication equipment.

The principal component of Iraq's nuclear program was a uranium enrichment program based on electromagnetic separation technology using calutrons. That this technology was being developed was unknown prior to the international inspections following Desert Storm, and was a major surprise.

Calutron technology was acquired and developed during the early to mid 1980s. Calutrons were built and operated at Tuwaitha and Tarmiya. A plan was underway to build a large enrichment facility at Tarmiya sufficient to produce 0.5 weapons a year, using natural uranium feed, but this program was progressing more slowly than planned. A captured 1987 report shows that Iraq had planned to install 70 alpha (first stage) calutrons, and 20 beta (final stage) calutrons during 8/89-12/92. Actually just 8 alpha machines had been installed during 2/90-9/90. This was about 10 months behind schedule. Iraq was preparing to install another 17 alpha machines in January 1991, a process that would have taken months, but the installation was halted by the initiation of hostilities. No beta machines were ready for installation although 4 were due to have been installed by 10/90.

According to the original plan, the calutrons would have begun operating as they were installed. Using natural uranium as the feedstock these would have produced the first 15 kg of 93% uranium, enough for one bomb, by the time the installation of the last machine was complete. Alternatively, if 2.5% low enriched uranium was used as feedstock, the first 15 kg would have been ready in 24 months. The annual production rate for the completed facility would have been 7 kg/yr using natural uranium feed. In fact, the installed calutrons had not yet begun operation. Given an approximate one year delay for the calutron production program, and assuming Iraq would have no further difficulties in reaching full production capability, Iraq could have produced 15 kg of weapon-grade uranium as early as the beginning of 1994. Using the 1763 kg of IAEA safeguarded 2.6% uranium that Iraq possessed, this could have been advanced by a year but would have almost certainly alerted the international community before the material was ready. In all likelihood though, these estimates are too optimistic. Iraq had operated calutrons on an experimental basis, and had no experience with a large scale production operation. Additional time would have been necessary to work out problems, and build up operating capacity. Recent reports indicate that Iraq regards the calutron program as a disappointing failure and is unlikely to pursue this technology further.

Centrifuge technology was also actively pursued. While unable to acquire centrifuge design Pakistan-style through intelligence activity, Iraq appears to have been able to purchase them on a clandestine "gray market". A German formerly employed by URENCO was hired to improve the purchased design.

Iraq is now known to possess both centrifuge designs and significant centrifuge technology. Information about Iraqi centrifuge designs and knowledge is due primarily to Bruno Stemmler, a German ex-employee of MAN Technologie of Munich, which is an important partner in URENCO. In 1988 he was recruited by Walter Busse, another German centrifuge expert, and in 1988 and 1989 he traveled to Iraq and provided technology and consultation services to the Iraqi centrifuge program (both were arrested in 1989 in Germany). While in Iraq he saw designs based on the German G-1 centrifuge which may have been obtained from Pakistan or Busse. Stemmler provided help in many areas of centrifuge design and manufacturing, including oil bearings, various aspects of rotor tube and baffle design, and oxidation treatment of steel rotors, although he denies providing classified information and has not been charged.

Centrifuge test stands were constructed and operated at Tuwaitha, Rashidiya, and Al Furat using maraging steel rotors. Poor quality rotors were manufactured at Factory 10, near Baghdad. A better plant was under construction at Al Furat, which also was planned to receive a 100 centrifuge pilot enrichment cascade. Iraq is believed to have imported 400 tonnes of maraging steel for rotor construction, although only 100 tonnes were located by inspectors. Iraq was found to have carbon fiber rotors, an even more advanced material. Later investigation showed that 20 carbon fiber rotors had been supplied to Iraq by the German company RO-SCH Verbundwerstoff GmbH. Several years of work would have been required before Iraq could have begun constructing centrifuges suitable for an enrichment program.

Plutonium separation technology was developed at Tuwaitha during the 1970s. This portion of the program was abandoned after the Israeli bombing of the Osiraq reactor in 1981. Iraq has declared that 5 g of plutonium was separated at Tuwaitha.

Iraq also investigated chemical enrichment technology to partially enrich uranium to serve as calutron feed. A combination of the French Chemex and the Japanese Ashi methods were expected to produce 6-8% enriched U-235.

In 1990 Iraqi agents were detected attempting to obtain krytrons in the U.S..

After the 8 August 1995 defection of Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel Majid, son-in-law to Saddam Hussein, and former director of weapon procurement, Iraq revealed that during the Gulf conflict in 1990-91, it had initiated a crash development program to manufacture a single nuclear weapon using highly enriched uranium fuel intended for its internationally safeguarded Tammuz test reactor. The plan was to complete the atomic bomb during the spring of 1991. Unirradiated and low-irradiated fuel was actually unloaded and some fuel elements later turned over to UN inspectors show signs of tampering. Iraq had 12.3 kg or 93% U-235, and 33.1 kg of 80% U-235 available that was unirradiated or had low radiation levels and could have been easily processed. With the start of hostilities in January these plans were aborted.

Early in 1996, the former Lt. Gen. Majid returned to Iraq under a personal guarantee of safety from Saddam Hussein. He was murdered two days later.

34 posted on 10/28/2001 6:29:39 PM PST by vannrox
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To: PianoMan; wlj1; AMMON-CENTRIST; AlGone2001; Rome2000; Cachelot; VaBthang4; NC Conservative...
Tariq Aziz: We are ready for war
By Hala Jaber in Baghdad and David Wastell in Washington
(Filed: 28/10/2001)

IRAQ said yesterday that it expects to be attacked by America and Britain, and warned of the "grave" consequences if any attempt was made to topple Saddam Hussein from power.

In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Tariq Aziz, the Iraqi deputy prime minister, alleged that the Baghdad regime had learned of plans by the West to strike "300 targets with 1,000 missiles".

He accused America and Britain of trying to remove Saddam under the pretext of waging war against terrorism.

He said: "We know that they are preparing for such an attack. We are watching what is being said and what is being done in the United States and in Britain and we know that it is just a matter of time before such an attack.

"That is going to be a very grave mistake. The Arab world is not going to tolerate that. Many countries are not going to tolerate that because they know that this is unjust and is sheer aggression."

He said that while he did not expect an attack against Iraq to result in Arab military retaliation, it would cause the painstakingly assembled coalition against terrorism to fall apart, isolating Britain and America.

Mr Aziz was speaking as America and Britain completed their third week of bombing attacks on Afghanistan with the heaviest assault yet on the capital, Kabul. US warplanes also pounded Taliban positions across Afghanistan in an assault lasting more than 11 hours, reportedly killing nine people.

Meanwhile, Paul Wolfowitz, America's deputy defence secretary, told The Telegraph that Britons should brace themselves for biological weapons attacks.

Tariq Aziz: we are ready for war

35 posted on 10/28/2001 6:36:02 PM PST by Orion78
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
You write:

I would like to know who the traitor is leaking everything?
No leak here. This is a report of an interview of Iraq's Tariq Aziz in a British newspaper. Mr. Aziz is giving us all of the usual Iraqi propaganda, denying any role in the anthrax attacks while accusing the US of planning an attack against Iraq, hoping for Arab sympathy, hoping to undermine our coalition, calling evil good and good evil, etc., etc.

I am sure President Bush is planning, at the very least, to deprive Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction, one way or the other, and at a time of his choosing. My prayers are with him, and with our military in their difficult task.

36 posted on 10/28/2001 6:43:25 PM PST by White Mountain
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
Aziz said.... Well, if Aziz said it, it MUST BE TRUE! I mean Mr. Aziz wouldn't try to stir up sh*t for the heck of it, being such a good little Saddam lap dog.
37 posted on 10/28/2001 7:01:14 PM PST by grebu
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To: grebu
U.S. officials consider future targets in worldwide war on terrorism
38 posted on 10/28/2001 7:13:48 PM PST by Orion78
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
       Check the source on this.  I wouldn't stake too much on this story.
39 posted on 10/28/2001 7:23:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Cavalry
We dropped 1000s of bombs on Saddam and it didn't oust him back in the Gulf War. What's the big deal Aziz

Ah but those were HE and some FAE, these will have somewhat larger yields. Although 1000 would seem a bit excessive. How many times need you remelt the glass once you've created it out of the sand?

40 posted on 10/28/2001 7:27:21 PM PST by El Gato
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To: DoughtyOne
See posts 35 and 38
41 posted on 10/28/2001 7:28:56 PM PST by Orion78
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To: Orion78
IRAQ said yesterday that it expects to be attacked by America and Britain, and warned of the "grave" consequences if any attempt was made to topple Saddam Hussein from power.

Oh no. They won't declare another holy war on us will they? That would be number 749 in the last three weeks. Or maybe it would be the dreaded mother of all wars....again.

42 posted on 10/28/2001 7:29:08 PM PST by paul51
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
If we nuke all muslems nation tomorrow and kill 100% of their people, 90% of the world's problem would be over.
43 posted on 10/28/2001 7:32:54 PM PST by factmart
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To: Orion78
Thanks for the note to check out the responses. Aziz? I wouldn't doubt we've got contingency plans for Iraq. I don't Aziz knows anything more than that Saddam handed him a note and said, "Read this in public." Saddam wants to preempt any likely strikes by going public. Good luck Saddam. No doubt the Joe Balooka inteligence network lives...
44 posted on 10/28/2001 7:39:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
Bug off!!!!!!!
45 posted on 10/28/2001 7:44:44 PM PST by GregB
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
Expansion of this war is total insanity of the highest order. We can't win. There is NO WAY.

We CAN WIN and WE WILL WIN.. whether the article is accurate or not it's great to see them worried.

46 posted on 10/28/2001 7:46:57 PM PST by Gimme
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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
Just as long as we put plenty of ordnance on target, that will look close enough to winning to suit me. If we aim at Iraq and the CEP is a little on the large side, that wouldn't distress me either. Nice thing is they want to be martyred, or so it reads in the major news reports.
47 posted on 10/28/2001 8:01:02 PM PST by mathurine
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To: DoughtyOne
Troubling Anthrax Additive Found

"Despite a last-minute denial from the White House, sources tell ABCNEWS the anthrax in the tainted letter sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle was laced with bentonite. The potent additive is known to have been used by only one country in producing biochemical weapons — Iraq."

48 posted on 10/28/2001 8:35:57 PM PST by Orion78
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To: cynwoody
A question worth asking, however, is why is he squawking at this point in time? What has spooked him? The attack he outlines would not be all that useful without a ground followup to occupy the country and desaddamize it.

I'm wondering how much we have done for the Kurds. No one hates Sad-dam as much as they do. They might provide ground follow up.

49 posted on 10/28/2001 8:44:34 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: Orion78
To quote the supporters of the Clinton administration:

SO WHAT ?
50 posted on 10/28/2001 9:31:54 PM PST by vox1138
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