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To: IronJack
I love America because she is strong AND because she is America. In fact, an America that isn't strong, isn't America.

That would depend entirely on how you define the word "strong". Before America became an Empire, she was "strong" in the sense that her people and her "small r" republican virtues gave her strength. Being a huge "superpower" with a "place in the world" second to none, might be things that one would point to as evidence of America's strength. I wouldn't.

I would submit that the events surrounding September 11, show us that this "strong" Empire that we still call America is very, very weak. The true strength of America resides in the American people and that strength will be here regardless of how "important" we are in the world or how grandiose our military-industrial complex is.

America was a good country long before it was a "great" country. One should not confuse the trappings of State and Empire with "greatness" as I believe far too many conservatives -- from Kristolites to Keyesters -- do far too often.

17 posted on 10/30/2001 5:07:48 PM PST by ouroboros
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To: ouroboros
I recall reading the other day, A patriot is someone who loves his country, a nationalist is someone who hates all other countries.
22 posted on 10/30/2001 8:21:52 PM PST by Valin
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To: ouroboros
Who was it who said "America is great because she is good, when she stops being good she'll stop being great."
23 posted on 10/30/2001 8:24:00 PM PST by Valin
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