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Wicked Witch of the West: Hanoi Jane Exposed in New Book
Hanoijane.net ^ | HENRY MARK HOLZER and ERIKA HOLZER,PhilDragoo

Posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

"AID AND COMFORT":
JANE FONDA IN NORTH VIETNAM
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Please visit www.hanoijane.net to view a flyer containing information about the book, a pre-publication order form, and ordering information. I encourage those of you who want this book to succeed to promptly forward this notice to your email lists, and to ask the recipients to promptly forward it to others, and so on down the line. Also, feel free to print, copy, and distribute the flyer/order form, and ask libraries to purchase "Aid and Comfort." I cannot stress enough the importance of pre-publication orders. For one thing, they will affect the quantity of the book's first printing. For another, pre-publication orders may influence the publisher's promotional and related efforts on behalf of the book. Thus, it will be very helpful if those of you who intend to purchase "Aid and Comfort": Jane Fonda in North Vietnam order it now, and encourage others to do so. Thanks. HANK AND ERIKA HOLZER

A member of the New York Bar and a First Amendment Fellow of the National Press Club, Henry Mark Holzer is professor emeritus at Brooklyn Law School and co-author of “AID AND COMFORT”: JANE FONDA IN NORTH VIET NAM. Erika Holzer, author most recently of EYE FOR AN EYE and co-author of “AID AND COMFORT”, is a lawyer, novelist, and essayist. They may be contacted at Hankholzer@aol.com.
Jane Fonda is at it again.
Nearly thirty years ago, she went to North Viet Nam and aided a Communist anti-American propaganda campaign. (See www.hanoijane.net) Now, in the aftermath of the September 11th terrorist attacks, she is once again undermining the United States — this time, by blurring a crucially important distinction.

On September 20th, Fonda reportedly told an Atlanta radio station that Americans should “try to understand the underlying causes” of the terrorist attacks which, in her view, must “be dealt with as a crime. And when there’s a crime, you don’t bomb a city or a country — you use very, very clever intelligence, undercover-type operations to get the criminals and punish them. . . .” It would be a mistake, she opined, for America to retaliate militarily.

Put aside that Fonda characterized American response as “saber rattling” and “calls for vengeance.” Put aside her implication that the “underlying causes” of the attacks were poverty and hunger rather than hatred for Western values and culture. Put aside that Fonda knows nothing about intelligence operations. What Fonda is saying is that the terrorists are not soldiers to be attacked militarily, but mere criminals.

There is a profoundly important distinction to be made between an act of war and the commission of a criminal act. Indeed, that Fonda blurred this distinction is far less important than why she did.

President Bush has consistently characterized the terrorism as an act of war against the United States. By any customary definition of “war,” he is correct. War is armed military combat, regardless of whether the combatants have issued an official declaration (which, incidentally, the terrorists have done). Let Fonda tell the dead, the missing, the wounded veterans from Korea, that they were not at war with the North Koreans and Chinese Communists. Let her tell the mourners at the Viet Nam Memorial Wall that their loved ones were not at war with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese. And let her tell the dead beneath the rubble of the World Trade Center that they were not killed in a radical Islamic “holy war.”

Declared or not, a war exists when armed belligerents mount an attack — as in killing stewardesses and pilots, hijacking aircraft, and crashing them into buildings filled with thousands of people.

A “crime” is very different. It is a violation of domestic law punishable by fine and/or imprisonment and sometimes death. It is prosecuted in court, and the proceedings are hedged with constitutional and other safeguards — notably, due process of law, non-self incrimination, search warrants supported by probable cause, etc.

It is this important distinction between a state of war and the commission of a crime that is being blurred by Fonda and likeminded Leftists. If the terrorist killings are not treated as acts of war but rather as the commission of mere domestic crimes, the terrorists would be entitled to the safeguards ensured by our criminal justice system — with the outcome as uncertain as O. J. Simpson’s trial for the brutal murder of two people. On the other hand, if the attacks on American soil are considered acts of war, military response, unhampered by the safeguards afforded criminals, is necessary and justified.

Based on this war/crime dichotomy, the radical Islamic terrorists would stand a far better chance in our criminal justice system than on the receiving end of the military’s smart bombs and special forces operations. That is what Fonda and people of her ilk want: an escape hatch for the terrorists. And that is why, when she equates the killing of thousands of Americans by the soldiers of radical Islam with the domestic crime of murder, and when she rails against a military response to an act of war waged against the United States of America, Jane Fonda stands exposed as being soft on terrorists.


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I am thankful to all that stand up and proudly wave the American Flag
in front of those who have no respect for our great nation.

1 posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: PhilDragoo

In Honor of those who gave their lives and those who were gravely disabled.
Thank You Brothers and Sisters for your sacrifices.

2 posted on 10/30/2001 10:06:15 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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3 posted on 10/30/2001 10:10:12 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Hanoi Jane with advice on how to fight a war! God in Heaven, how grateful we should be! She is so detestable there are no words to express. She should have been hung for treason. Military people died because of this road-kill Jane.
4 posted on 10/30/2001 10:14:29 PM PST by democratsstealvotes
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To: democratsstealvotes
AGREED: She should have been hung for treason.
5 posted on 10/30/2001 10:26:02 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Thanks for posting. As a member of the under-30 crowd I had no idea she did this.
6 posted on 10/30/2001 10:26:28 PM PST by PianoMan
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To: null and void; dalebert; SAMWolf; spindoctor; RetiredArmy; paul51; CatoRenasci; unspun...
ping
7 posted on 10/30/2001 10:30:29 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: PianoMan
"Thanks for posting. As a member of the under-30 crowd I had no idea she did this."

Your Welcome!
Just as I WILL NEVER FORGET 9/11, I will never forget the traitor Hanoi Jane
And now she has the nerve to open her filty lying mouth again and disgrace the victims of 9/11
and a new generation of US Military!
9 posted on 10/30/2001 10:35:32 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: JudyB1938
"AGREED: She should have been hung for treason."

That is the prescribed punishment by law for traitors in wartime.
10 posted on 10/30/2001 10:38:31 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
WAR SLUT FONDA!
11 posted on 10/30/2001 10:40:48 PM PST by Enduring Freedom
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To: We Will Win
"I'm sick and tired of hearing that Americans should "try to understand the underlying causes" of the terrorist attacks. I understand their reasons... they think we are The Great Satan! They kill thousands of innocent people and they call us "Satan?"

And Hanoi Jane becomes Taliban Jane and is their cheerleader!

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12 posted on 10/30/2001 10:42:37 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Major BTTT
13 posted on 10/30/2001 10:51:57 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Enduring Freedom
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14 posted on 10/30/2001 10:52:48 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: PianoMan
My husband was in Vietnam when Hanoi Jane went over to give comfort to the enemy. Not only does he still have nightmares about his experiences during the war, but he still wants to smash the tv whenever he sees Hanoi Jane's face on it! No one person caused more pain than she did.
15 posted on 10/30/2001 10:55:19 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ping Ping Ping BTTT bumpity Bump
16 posted on 10/30/2001 11:03:29 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
TRAITOR! What is it with these rich morons anyway?
17 posted on 10/30/2001 11:08:06 PM PST by KYwoman
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To: mystomachisturning
"but he still wants to smash the tv whenever he sees Hanoi Jane's face on it!"

Your husband, MY BROTHER, feels the anger that so many of us Viet Nam Vets do and now she dares to do it again!
18 posted on 10/30/2001 11:10:21 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: KYwoman
"TRAITOR! What is it with these rich morons anyway?"

Hanoi Jane, aka Taliban Jane will rot in hell despite all of her money!

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19 posted on 10/30/2001 11:13:50 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Thanks for the ping, 68-69TGYC. Just curious, I was pinged at your #7 without my screen name being included in your ping list. How do it know?

Anyway, this is one Nam vet who is even LESS fonda Jane, the American traitor b!tch, now that I have read your post.

20 posted on 10/30/2001 11:14:18 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
bump
21 posted on 10/30/2001 11:23:56 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
He was in Bien Hoa in 65-66, 3rd security police, 34th tac fighter wing. My brother is a disabled vietnam vet as well. Glad to make your acquaintance! :o)
22 posted on 10/30/2001 11:29:21 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
22 August 1972
Here's Jane Fonda telling her impressions at the end of her visit to the Democratic Republic of Vietnam:

"This is Jane Fonda. During my two week visit in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, I've had the opportunity to visit a great many places and speak to a large number of people from all walks of life--workers, peasants, students, artists and dancers, historians, journalists, film actresses, soldiers, militia girls, members of the women's union, writers.

I visited the (Dam Xuac) agricultural coop, where the silk worms are also raised and thread is made. I visited a textile factory, a kindergarten in Hanoi. The beautiful Temple of Literature was where I saw traditional dances and heard songs of resistance. I also saw unforgettable ballet about the guerrillas training bees in the south to attack enemy soldiers. The bees were danced by women, and they did their job well.

In the shadow of the Temple of Literature I saw Vietnamese actors and actresses perform the second act of Arthur Miller's play All My Sons, and this was very moving to me--the fact that artists here are translating and performing American plays while US imperialists are bombing their country.

I cherish the memory of the blushing militia girls on the roof of their factory, encouraging one of their sisters as she sang a song praising the blue sky of Vietnam--these women, who are so gentle and poetic, whose voices are so beautiful, but who, when American planes are bombing their city, become such good fighters.

I cherish the way a farmer evacuated from Hanoi, without hesitation, offered me, an American, their best individual bomb shelter while US bombs fell near by. The daughter and I, in fact, shared the shelter wrapped in each others arms, cheek against cheek. It was on the road back from Nam Dinh, where I had witnessed the systematic destruction of civilian targets-schools, hospitals, pagodas, the factories, houses, and the dike system.

As I left the United States two weeks ago, Nixon was again telling the American people that he was winding down the war, but in the rubble-strewn streets of Nam Dinh, his words echoed with sinister (words indistinct) of a true killer. And like the young Vietnamese woman I held in my arms clinging to me tightly--and I pressed my cheek against hers--I thought, this is a war against Vietnam perhaps, but the tragedy is America's.

One thing that I have learned beyond a shadow of a doubt since I've been in this country is that Nixon will never be able to break the spirit of these people; he'll never be able to turn Vietnam, north and south, into a neo-colony of the United States by bombing, by invading, by attacking in any way. One has only to go into the countryside and listen to the peasants describe the lives they led before the revolution to understand why every bomb that is dropped only strengthens their determination to resist.

I've spoken to many peasants who talked about the days when their parents had to sell themselves to landlords as virtually slaves, when there were very few schools and much illiteracy, inadequate medical care, when they were not masters of their own lives.

But now, despite the bombs, despite the crimes being created--being committed against them by Richard Nixon, these people own their own land, build their own schools--the children learning, literacy--illiteracy is being wiped out, there is no more prostitution as there was during the time when this was a French colony. In other words, the people have taken power into their own hands, and they are controlling their own lives.

And after 4,000 years of struggling against nature and foreign invaders--and the last 25 years, prior to the revolution, of struggling against French colonialism--I don't think that the people of Vietnam are about to compromise in any way, shape or form about the freedom and independence of their country, and I think Richard Nixon would do well to read Vietnamese history, particularly their poetry, and particularly the poetry written by Ho Chi Minh."

Un - freaking - believable!

23 posted on 10/30/2001 11:33:48 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ms. Fonda is one of the "Ivory Tower" beliefs. John McCain is not one of my biggest favorites but he suffered because of her hatefull doctrines. (I.e. "don't you feel bad that you killed little babies now"). She will never be brought up on charges, but if this country continues to vote for people who can spin her beliefs and lie, just to get votes, we will be the followers of people who are even worse then this devil incarnate. God can not help us, if we refuse to help our selves.
24 posted on 10/30/2001 11:41:31 PM PST by Sonny M
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I'll add this to the morning DUBOB update; it's one thing to protest your governement's policies- and another thing entirely to aid your country's enemies.
25 posted on 10/31/2001 12:31:11 AM PST by backhoe
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To: mystomachisturning
"Glad to make your acquaintance"

Thank you


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26 posted on 10/31/2001 12:38:50 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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27 posted on 10/31/2001 12:40:56 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Someone must know where Jane lives. She should be freeped daily until she understands "the underlying causes" of our hatred.
28 posted on 10/31/2001 12:43:56 AM PST by NYpeanut
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Yes the bitch should HANG! The funny thing is that during the election when Gore morons kept pointing out that Gore went to Vietnam while Bush stayed in the Texas National Guard, I reminded them that Jane Fonda went to Vietnam more times than Gore, stayed for longer, and even came face to face with the enemy, while Gore cooled his heels far from the front in rear echelon territory with bodyguards. On second thought, get two ropes.
29 posted on 10/31/2001 12:51:34 AM PST by Imperial Warrior
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
BTTT...

SR

30 posted on 10/31/2001 12:55:42 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: PianoMan
She was once over visiting some POWs, actually over to varify our troops were receiving adequate treatment from the NVA. As she walked down the ranks of American POWs, each of the captured American soldiers slipped her a little note stating their name and service number. The intent was for Fonda to bring the info to American military/officials so the POWs can be accounted for.

At the end of her little parade, she handed the little pile of notes to a NVA general standing at the end of the line...several of the POWs were beatin' and tortured to death because of it, others were so badly beat they are crippled today.

This woman discraces America and American fighting men. She should be shot by firing squad in town square.

JMHO

SR

31 posted on 10/31/2001 1:05:04 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: PianoMan
You might be surprised what many leftists did in the Vietnam era. In one case that comes to mind, some leftists and 'journalists' were visiting Hanoi and were shown US pows. Thinking fellow Americans might help get the names of the prisoners out so that their government and families back home might know they were alive, a POW slipped one of them a scrap of paper containing the names and information. The leftist instead gave the paper to a Vietnamese guard, essentially condemning the POWs to a round of retribution torture.

In other cases, leftists here in the states ran checks for the Vietnamese on information that had been extracted from prisoners. they would let the captors know if the information was false.

32 posted on 10/31/2001 1:05:14 AM PST by piasa
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To: sit-rep
Aye, I wasn't sure if that was her or not, so I just said leftist.
33 posted on 10/31/2001 1:06:45 AM PST by piasa
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To: piasa
The actual verified story is out there somewhere. I would like to get my hands on it.

SR

34 posted on 10/31/2001 1:10:23 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: We Will Win
Like it or not, we have to try to understand why these people did what they did. They are not just killing for the fun of it, they chose to murder our fellow Americans for a reason. A perverted, twisted reason, but a reason none the less. If we simply ignore it, history will repeat itself. Even if the war is as close to a complete success as we can get, and Bin laden and all his comrades get what they deserve, someone, somewhere will be plannning the next 9/11. We`ll all think we are safe because Bin Laden is burning in hell, then it will happen again. But this time it will 10,000 dead Americans, or 20,000 or 50,000. American and her citizens are not perfect, and trying to understand does not make one weak. We must understand so that this does not happen again.
35 posted on 10/31/2001 1:10:48 AM PST by Slapper
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There are those who say the story about the slips of paper is false and on the internet hoax site they say the same thing.
BUT I think she hired some PR type to start the rumor that it was false
Any Traitor that would aim enemy anti-aitcraft guns at US planes is totally capable of this.
36 posted on 10/31/2001 1:15:16 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Hanoi Traitor Jane Exposed bump.
37 posted on 10/31/2001 1:16:40 AM PST by RightWingLady
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; leadpenny; mystomachisturning; JudyB1938; ALOHA RONNIE
BUMP!

Hanoi Jane is a TRAITOR to America. She is still and always will be the Hanoi Jane that she was during the Vietnam war.

No one should forgive her ever, and IF there was true justice in this world she would be dealt with as any traitor to America should be. Hard ,fast and swift!!!!!!!

A few monts ago on A&E there did a biography of Gregory Peck. He was asked about his friendship with Jane Fonda and how did he feel aout her activities during the Vietnam War.

His reply was that he agreed with her completely!

Hanoi Jane and anyone agreeing with her is no different then she is. Total communist and traitor !

38 posted on 10/31/2001 1:29:14 AM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Honorary Lady Marine 10
Hanoi Jane 0
39 posted on 10/31/2001 1:37:50 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Slapper
"Understanding" why 9/11 happened won't make it NOT happen again. It was done because the men didn't wear 6-inch beards and the women didn't cover themselves from head to toe before going outside (with their chaperones, of course). It was done because the women were educated, and the men were tolerant of them. It was done because Bin Laden is a sociopathic murderer. There is no "reason" to be "understood" there.
40 posted on 10/31/2001 1:47:06 AM PST by MamaSwami
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To: Snow Bunny
You got that right! Hanoi Jane has spent a lifetime chosing the wrong friends! Doing my part to send Barbara Olson's book to #1, and will do the same with this one!
41 posted on 10/31/2001 1:52:03 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Jane Fonda is a first class traitor if I've ever seen one. Thanks for the bump.
42 posted on 10/31/2001 2:37:29 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
What amuses me about Hanoi Jane's trip to North Vietnam is the North Vietnamese probably had no idea who she was. I guess they just thought she was this cute chick who would say nice things about them.

The picture on the cover of the book reminds me of Herbert W. Armstrong's old TV show, "The World Tomorrow," which always opened with a montage of films showing the old boy shaking hands with world leaders. They seem to be asking: "So, you President USA? No? Uhh...you Vice-President USA? No? Yooouuuuu Senator of USA congress? No? HHmmmm...who you are???"

43 posted on 10/31/2001 2:54:51 AM PST by Skooz
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
As I understand it, we lost 58,000 and they lost 3,000,000.

Fonda won't do much good for the Taleban either.

44 posted on 10/31/2001 2:55:56 AM PST by Bogie
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Fonda is just another one of the Hollywood mental midgets that believe that because she earns money by appearing in films and exercise tapes, her political opinions and "savvy" military expertise are weighty enough to compete with those of experienced military commanders.

It's not. The reality is she's just as paralyzingly stupid as Barbra Streisand.

My favorite movie of hers is "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" Not because I enjoyed the film, but because she takes a round in the head at the end of it.

46 posted on 10/31/2001 3:31:48 AM PST by Marauder
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To: Slapper
They did it because they are Muslims, and this is their distorted understanding of the "korap"!!!

I do not have to understand my enemy to kill him, just his tactics.

Eaker

49 posted on 10/31/2001 3:52:38 AM PST by Eaker
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Thanks for the bump and I LIKE the way you spell Yatch!!!!

Eaker

50 posted on 10/31/2001 3:54:43 AM PST by Eaker
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