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HUSSEIN THE CONQUEROR -- Is Saddam Hussein the Reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon?
Sabertooth, others | October 31, 2001 | Sabertooth, others

Posted on 10/31/2001 2:50:19 PM PST by Sabertooth

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Much of the material on the Hussein's long obsession with Nebuchadnezzar comes from religious sources, mostly Christian and some Jewish. I've tried as much as possible here to go for secular sources, to avoid some of the eshatological slant.

That being said, I certainly welcome more sources, secular or religious, and information from any corner. In particular, I'm looking for images of medals and billboards from Hussein's Babylon Festivals of the late 1980s, which show Saddam's profile superimposed over Nebuchadnezzar's, or the two of them shaking hands over the centuries of Mesopotamian Civilization. I've seen them in books, but couldn't find them on-line.

I believe that this Conqueror Fetish of the most brutal tyrant of our time as been sadly ignored by the mainstream press, and I believe, by many in our government.

It doesn't matter what you or I might believe about reincarnation, it matters what Saddam Hussein believes, because he is attempting to re-ignite the "Mother of all Battles."

And his undeniable goal is to destroy America, Israel, and all of Western Civilization.


1 posted on 10/31/2001 2:50:20 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: harpseal; Travis McGee; Victoria Delsoul; Spirit Of Truth; Manny Festo; The Documentary Lady...
growl!


2 posted on 10/31/2001 2:51:58 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k; Victoria Delsoul...
growl!


3 posted on 10/31/2001 2:52:31 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
double growl. Awesome stuff, and I would believe that Hussein could join other megalomaniacs such as Hitler who envisioned themselves as reincarnations of ancient warriors.
4 posted on 10/31/2001 2:57:08 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Sabertooth
I see a slight problem here. He has no competent soldiers. Is he an Army of One, to coin a phrase?
5 posted on 10/31/2001 2:59:14 PM PST by longleaf
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To: longleaf
He has no competent soldiers.

Someone's been doing a good job on his behalf.


6 posted on 10/31/2001 3:02:15 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Saddam, this nuke's for you.


7 posted on 10/31/2001 3:02:25 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Sabertooth
HUSSEIN THE CONQUEROR -- Is Saddam Hussein the Reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon?" In a word, no.
8 posted on 10/31/2001 3:06:07 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Sabertooth
Then again he may just be a stone athiest. But you know where he gets his juice from? Yeah. That's right!
9 posted on 10/31/2001 3:08:16 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabertooth
He is the Re-incarnation of the Mother of all Camel Turds
10 posted on 10/31/2001 3:09:03 PM PST by HP8753
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To: Sabertooth
"Is Saddam Hussein the Reincarnation of the Chaldean Emperor Nebuchadnezzar?"

Better call Shirley MacLaine

11 posted on 10/31/2001 3:09:41 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Sabertooth
If you look at that map of the old empire, Nebuchadnezzar II has got quite a ways to go before he matches it. He's having a hard enough time holding the borders drawn by the British colonial administrators. And let's not mention the botched attempt to reclaim the "19th Province."

Sorry, Saddam, count me as a skeptic.

12 posted on 10/31/2001 3:11:24 PM PST by longleaf
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To: Sabertooth
Let us remember that God used Nebuchadnezzar to punish the sin of the children of Israel. God also abased Nebuchandnezser when he got haughty. Read Daniel 4.

Here is what Nebuchadnezzar said in his own words:

4:34 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom endures from generation to generation. 4:35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, "What have You done?' 4:36 "At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me. 4:37 "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride.'' 5

13 posted on 10/31/2001 3:12:09 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Sabertooth; Thinkin' Gal
Excellent post, which must have taken many hours' work.

Take some comfort from this: megalomaniacs never know when to stop. Should Hussein try to "sack Jerusalem, destroy Israel, and kill and capture the Jews" -- which he can't -- no one will ever find his vaporized remains.

14 posted on 10/31/2001 3:12:40 PM PST by dighton
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To: Clara Lou
You missed the point. I think he's an evil, brutal nutbag. Believing in Reincarnation is just part of that.

But Megalomainacs have a psychological profile. They're different than you and me.

The point is to know our enemy.


15 posted on 10/31/2001 3:13:46 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
HUSSEIN THE CONQUEROR -- Is Saddam Hussein the Reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon?

Not if the promise of the Bible is true. I don't have time to look it up, but the Scripture reads,
"It is appointed for man once to die. And after this, the judgement."

16 posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:06 PM PST by Two Thirds Vote Aye
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To: AmericaUnited
When His son Belshazzar got cocky, God caused his kingdom to be overthrown that very night. Read Daniel 5.

5:30 That same night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was slain. 5:31 So Darius the Mede received the kingdom at about the age of sixty-two.

And the conclusion of the matter, the Holy One of Israel is sovereign over all the affairs of man.

17 posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:21 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Sabertooth
More like the reincarnation of Benito Mussolini.

Time will tell...

18 posted on 10/31/2001 3:17:46 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: Sabertooth
Saddam and Tariq Aziz look like pretty happy campers in the latest video footage. I reckon old Saddam settled down with a fine cigar to enjoy CNN on 9/11. That was his Superbowl. Must have been a real kick. Bet he creamed his khakis when those towers collapsed. Now his agents, Mr. Atta and Mr. Aziz, have informed us that he will unleash biological warfare on the US population if we attempt to retaliate. I can think of no way to stop him from doing so.

Thank you, Bill Clinton.

19 posted on 10/31/2001 3:23:22 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Sabertooth
Great post. This is the kind of thread that makes FR really worthwhile. Thanks!

He certainly has the Hitler complex going on. He's used poison gas and has attacked in all directions. Good thing he rules a backwards country or he would be even more of a menace. I'm not sure if you knew this but he named one of his republican guard divisions "Nebuchadnezzar". I think it got splattered but was rebuilt.

20 posted on 10/31/2001 3:23:48 PM PST by newwahoo
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To: Sabertooth
You have put together a tremendous resource for us to read and review. Many thanks to you for your time and effort.

Clearly Hussein wants people to think of him as the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar or Saladin. But he is not.

Within the house of his soul there is an old Enemy whom he has welcomed into his heart-- an old Evil that hates Israel with an everlasting hate.

Not reincarnation but rather a contemporary "host" for an ancient demons of the Abyss.

21 posted on 10/31/2001 3:30:46 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: Diogenesis
Saddam's enlightenment!
22 posted on 10/31/2001 3:34:48 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: father_elijah; Sabertooth
Clearly Hussein wants people to think of him as the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar or Saladin. But he is not.

I saw tv bio of him once, he was born in the same town as Tamerlane. If he thinks he's anyone's reincarnation, that's the one.

23 posted on 10/31/2001 3:42:19 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Sabertooth
How do you dream this stuff up? bump to the top.
24 posted on 10/31/2001 4:23:25 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: Virginia-American
You sure about that? I thought Tamerlane was from up in one of the 'Stans, not Iraq.
25 posted on 10/31/2001 4:26:57 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Virginia-American

Shakhrisabz, in Uzbekistan, is the birthplace of Tamerlane.

"I am the scourge of God appointed to chastise you,
since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity except me.
You are wicked, but I am more wicked than you, so be silent!"

--Spoken by Tamerlane Khan before the the sacking of Damascus


26 posted on 10/31/2001 4:34:30 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping. This is me growling...

GRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Saddam

27 posted on 10/31/2001 4:58:21 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Sabertooth
Saddam is the reincarnation of an arab raping camel.
28 posted on 10/31/2001 5:32:33 PM PST by eFudd
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To: Sabertooth
But Megalomaniacs have a psychological profile. They're different than you and me.

What else is known about this personality type? I bet the CIA have an interesting file on this.

29 posted on 10/31/2001 5:39:06 PM PST by MaeWest
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To: vikingchick
How do you dream this stuff up?

I'm not dreaming anything, VC.

It's those wacky Arab evil madmen.

Think about it, what possible reason could Hussein and bin Laden have for thinking that they could take on America, other than supernatural delusion?

Even Stalin and Mao didn't take us on directly, and they had far more assets.


30 posted on 10/31/2001 5:39:10 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: MaeWest
What else is known about this personality type? I bet the CIA have an interesting file on this.

Wish I knew what the C.I.A. has on megalomania. Here's an excellent book on the subject:

"Adolph Hitler: The Psychopathic God"
by Robert G.L. Waite

click the cover


31 posted on 10/31/2001 5:51:25 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth; Poohbah
thanks, I musta misremembered.
32 posted on 10/31/2001 5:51:31 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Sabertooth
Yes, he definitely is an megalomaniac. Saddam needs to be wiped out sooner or later. Hopefully sooner. However, There is a timing to all of this. No more should be said.
33 posted on 10/31/2001 6:03:20 PM PST by SpottedBeaver
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To: Virginia-American; Poohbah; harpseal; Travis McGee; Victoria Delsoul; Spirit Of Truth...
You didn't quite get it all wrong. Saddam Hussein was born in Tikrit, where Saladin was born.

Saladin, like Nebuchadnezzar, was a conqueror of Jerusalem.

It's doubtful, though, that Saddam would think he was reincarnated from Saladin, because the latter was a Kurd. Hussein is genocidal against the Kurds.

Click the pics of Saladin for more...

Tikrit is up the highway from Baghdad, at about 11 o' clock.


34 posted on 10/31/2001 6:39:38 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
"SoDamn Insane"...a legend in his own mind.
35 posted on 10/31/2001 7:14:00 PM PST by Florida native
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To: Sabertooth
Hussein the Conqueror

Is Saddam Hussein the Reincarnation of the Chaldean Emperor Nebuchadnezzar?
Is it his destiny to sack Jerusalem, destroy Israel, and kill and capture the Jews?

36 posted on 10/31/2001 7:23:55 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
bump.
37 posted on 10/31/2001 7:35:29 PM PST by patent
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To: Sabertooth
Superb job, Saber! Bookmarked.

SADDAM HUSSEIN: A Psychological Profile Part I: The Nebuchadnezzar Factor

Peter Arnett, the CNN International Correspondent who has spent as much time in Iraq as any foreign journalist, in a recent dispatch tried to analyze the motives of Saddam Hussein.

He of course is not alone, the State Department and Foreign Offices around the world have all tried to come up with explanations for Saddam's so-called irrational behavior.

Questions are obvious, the answers have been tentative at best. Is he mad, a megalomaniac, completely out of touch with the "real world"? Why is he spending billions on lavish palaces, whilst his people starve? The experts come up with very non satisfying answers. One actually went so far as to make the following statement.

"He has believed for many years that he belongs up there in the pantheon of great socialist leaders: Mao Tse-tung, Castro, Tito. But until the Gulf crisis, he had been overlooked."

Where do they get this stuff?

The fact is that Saddam above all is a student of history, particularly Babylonian and Assyrian history. He sees himself as the inheritor of a great tradition and his obligation to carry on where the greatest of his ancestors left off.

Above all he models himself on one of the greatest, Nebuchadnezzar II and all his actions confirm that analysis.

Nebuchadnezzar II (Nebuchadrezzar II 604-562 BC) you will recall is the great Babylonian King who destroyed Solomon's Temple and took the remnants of the Children of Israel who had not already been exiled by the Assyrians, back to Babylon. Thus we see the first reason for Saddam's obsession with Israel which has nothing to do with either Islam, nor his State's proximity to the Jewish State. Saddam after all began his career as a secular socialist, a member of the Ba'ath Party which at the most paid lip-service to Islam.

Let us look further into the life of King Nebuchadnezzar who is described in the following way by "The Cambridge Ancient History", vol. III page 212.

".......(he) was a vigorous and brilliant commander, and physically as well as mentally a strong man, fully worthy of succeeding his father. He was to become the greatest man of his time in the Near East, as a soldier, statesman and AN ARCHITECT (emphasis mine)."

Much has been said about Saddam's lack of knowledge of the world. However it is often forgotten that he obtained his law degree at the University of Cairo and his rise up the ranks of the military, considering he was just a country boy from the provinces ( he was born in Tikrit in 1937) was not due solely to his ruthless style.

It is somewhat ironic that much of what we know about Nebuchadnezzar comes from the Bible. The King was one of the great builders of history but his own inscriptions are somewhat sparse. Jeremiah was to prophesy about this King:

"All the nations shall serve him, and his son and his son's son, until the time of his own land shall come." Jeremiah 27:7.

We will spend some time in later lectures discussing the Babylonian exile and its ramifications, suffice it to say that the exploits of Nebuchadnezzar had and have a profound effect on how Saddam views the world in general and Israel in particular. Ancient Iraq eventually conquered Egypt, and all of the Near East was in the control of the Great King by the time he was an old man.

Unlike many of Kings in the ancient world, Nebuchadnezzar was not one to keep extensive archives nor to boast of his exploits in great inscriptions, instead he was the pre-eminent architect and builder of history. He built many magnificent palaces and temples. His reconstruction of Babylon was extolled far and wide and his magnificent Hanging Gardens were regarded as one of the Seven Wonders of the World. His temples built mainly for the god Marduk were spread around the country. In Borsippa, Sippar, Larsa, Ur, Dilbat, Baz and Uruk he built the most magnificent of edifices and on each brick he had his name inscribed.

It is no wonder that Saddam has also undertaken a massive building programme unsurpassed since the time of the great King. He too has his name inscribed on the bricks and tiles and marbles that he uses to adorn his palaces. This is not a man building magnificent homes, this is a man obsessed with emulating his ancestor.

A few quotes from the great historian Rogers will round out the profile of the King:

"A man of blood and iron."
"His punishment of Zedekiah is to be placed with the very worst instances of savagery in all that history."
"He was, however, careful to pay homage to gods many and lords many in different cities of his empire, and to these, as we have seen, he likewise dedicated temples."
"His building operations were so extensive that in this particular he outranks all who preceded him, whether in Assyria or Babylonia."
"For the most part these works were beneficent, though the execution of them must have cost much human life and terrible suffering of fatigue and oppression."

The picture could not be more startling clear. Saddam has used as a blueprint for his life, the exploits of Nebuchadnezzar. The question is whether it is possible to predict from this what Saddam will do in any given circumstance.

The evidence is clear, he will sacrifice everything for his ambition to destroy Israel, to become the leader of the Middle East and to leave a legacy of greatness in his buildings. Thus the morality of using "weapons of mass destruction" ( what a terrible phrase by the way, we should all stop using this hypocritical expression as if bombs and missiles or even automatic machine guns are not also weapons of mass destruction) does not even enter into his thinking. The interest to him is only whether they can be used or threatened in order to increase his power.

Lying and cheating are not moral issues, only ways of achieving his goals. Thus to negotiate with him is by definition an exercise of futility as are agreements and treaties. Like his predecessor there is only one way he will be stopped, perhaps first by madness but eventually only by death. LINK

38 posted on 10/31/2001 7:44:42 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Sabertooth
No, he is just a blowhard, as well as a murderous thug.
41 posted on 10/31/2001 8:25:31 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Sabertooth; jmurphy4413; maica; FITZ; Manny Festo; Lent; patent; rebdov; AGAviator; boris...
Really a first rate personality study, thanks for your efforts, I am really getting an education.

I wonder how many of our boys in foggy bottom and up the river know any of these factors which may be driving history?

42 posted on 10/31/2001 8:32:53 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Sabertooth
Good Post. It jogged my memory of an article I cut out for a history project during college - which I just found. The April 19, 1989 edition of the Minneapolis Star Tribune had an article titled "Babylon restoration helps Hussein build his case." Basically the article laid out two years prior to the Gulf War that this guy viewed himself as the 2nd coming of Nebuchadnezzar and was rebuilding the ancient sites throughout the country.

The interesting paragraph in the article both in light of history and the present is this:

"But Hussein's glorification of ancient Babylon is disturbing to his neighbors, diplomats say. For the king whose palace he is rebuilding ruled an empire from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean, embracing what now are Kuwait, Syria, Jordan, Israel and parts of Saudia Arabia."

Boy, you can't swing a dead cat in the Middle East without hitting some nutcase claiming to be some past or present biblical character.

43 posted on 10/31/2001 8:36:31 PM PST by Dan C
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To: Victoria Delsoul
"He has believed for many years that he belongs up there in the pantheon of great socialist leaders: Mao Tse-tung, Castro, Tito. But until the Gulf crisis, he had been overlooked."

Where do they get this stuff?

They're only looking at part of the picture because Saddam does have a communist intellectual foundation. But, though he came to power in the 70s as a client of Leonid Brezhnev, Stalin was his idol.

he coincidences of the appearance of the pics of Hussein with the British boy and of Stalin in the poster in the article above are not simply by chance. That whole thing was Hussein's publicity stunt. He had control of the cameras and the angles.

Check it out... the boy with Saddam has the same haircut as the boy with the violin in the poster of Stalin!

But Hussein's Obsession with Nebuchadnezzar is paramount.


44 posted on 10/31/2001 9:32:55 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
No! He's not, because there is no such thing as reincarnation. Also, the Bible is quite clear - "it is appointed ONCE for a man to die". If you can only die once, then you certainly cannot live again.

You only get ONE opportunity to choose Jesus - that's why you can only die one time!!

However, Saddam does believe he is the King of Babylon!

45 posted on 10/31/2001 9:38:17 PM PST by Sueann
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To: Sabertooth
"Scourges of God" seems to be a common career path for mid-easterners of all descriptions.

Sand between their toes must make them mean or something. ;^)

46 posted on 10/31/2001 9:48:38 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Sabertooth
I think you have understood Saddam Hussien's personality, there are questions that we still do not have answered. What is his son like? What are the implications of his meglomania interacting with the meglomania of Ossama? I expect there would be a period of extreme cooperation sort of like Il Duce and the Furher.Saddam is getting older and we have no info on his physical health how will that affect things?

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

47 posted on 11/01/2001 4:54:25 AM PST by harpseal
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To: scan59
fyi
48 posted on 11/01/2001 5:42:40 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: Sabertooth; 2sheep; Jeremiah Jr
Daniel 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

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One important thing about statues [Daniel 2:31] is you can't have the head and shoulders in one place, [say Babylon] and it's legs and feet in another. [say Rome/Europe] - Jeremiah Jr

Easton's Dictionary

Dura. the circle, the plain near Babylon in which Nebuchadnezzar set up a golden image, mentioned in Dan. 3:1. The place still retains its ancient name. On one of its many mounds the pedestal of what must have been a colossal statue has been found. It has been supposed to be that of the golden image.

Al Daura is located just south of Baghdad. Same place?

Google search Daura + nuclear reactor + Israel

Google search Daura + Baghdad + gulf war

 


Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

I wonder who will replace Saddam?

49 posted on 11/01/2001 5:56:39 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Dan C
Boy, you can't swing a dead cat in the Middle East without hitting some nutcase claiming to be some past or present biblical character.

Or future Koranic character...

   Black Flags of Islam   

Portents of the Imam al-Mahdi, the Moslems' prophesied deliverer of Jerusalem?

Click on the flags


50 posted on 11/01/2001 6:34:04 AM PST by Sabertooth
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