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Bin Laden In Turkey Twice
turkishpress.com ^ | 9/21/01 8:13:29 AM | turkishpress.com

Posted on 10/31/2001 11:42:23 PM PST by Pericles

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The dates are interesting. It marked the height of Clinton's counter insurgency against Yugoslavia in Islamic Bosnia and for the Moslem Albanians in Kosovo and its secret support of the Moslem Chechens against the Russians. Turkey was a central gathering area for Jihadists recruited by Bin Laden for those struggles for the Clinton agenda.

Read about it here @ BIN LADEN GATE

1 posted on 10/31/2001 11:42:23 PM PST by Pericles
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FYI
2 posted on 10/31/2001 11:43:55 PM PST by Pericles
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To: vooch; Hamiltonian; randalcousins; Black Jade; Kate22; HAL9000; TigerLikesRooster; aristeides
fyi
3 posted on 10/31/2001 11:47:59 PM PST by Pericles
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Another interesting detail about the visits of bin Laden to Turkey is that the first visit was reported to the Ankara State Airport Management Directorate, as is compulsory for all private planes. The first visit has been recorded in Istanbul among in secret files. Another point was that the documentation for ground services given to the bin Laden plane were not put on computer and was filled by hand with the registration number left blank.

Very Intresting indeed.

4 posted on 11/01/2001 12:02:43 AM PST by Pericles
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To: *TerrOrWar; aristeides
apart from bin Laden himself who was listed as “Muhammad Osama” there was one other passenger named El Sawaf

I will bet this was Al-Zawahiri.

5 posted on 11/01/2001 12:27:04 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
Yes, bin Laden seems to go everywhere with his doctor, Zawahiri, as is understandable in view of his kidney condition.
6 posted on 11/01/2001 3:42:33 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Pericles
Haven't I read someplace that the head of the Iraqi secret service is also their ambassador to Turkey?
7 posted on 11/01/2001 3:43:41 AM PST by aristeides
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Although bin Laden was on Interpol’s wanted list at the time of both his visits he has faced no difficulties while in Turkey.

bin Laden was already on Interpol's wanted list in 1996? Well, well, well! According to Richard Labeviere's Dollars for Terror, bin Laden had no trouble landing his private jet at London's Heathrow Airport in Oct. 1997. He then attended a meeting at the house of the spokesman of bin Laden front ARC at 94 Dewsbury Rd., Wembley, London on Oct. 10, 1997, where the order was given for the massacre at Luxor that took place on Nov. 17, 1997.

By the way, the headquarters of the Turkish intelligence service is right outside Adana.

8 posted on 11/01/2001 3:48:58 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Pericles
--if it's all the "clinton agenda", why are we still in the balkans? Why are we still propping up and supporting islamic terrorists over there? Wasn't there an election last year? Is clinton still president?

Not being smarmy in the slightest, these are legitimate observations and questions.

9 posted on 11/01/2001 3:50:54 AM PST by zog
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To: zog
if it's all the "clinton agenda", why are we still in the balkans?
The alternative to you being in the Balkans would be us being there, as the Brittish and the French would not be efficient at keeping the peace, nor protecting the population. You're only there to prevent us from having gone in, which would have given a number of those countries over there to cause a wider war in Europe - not something to be wished for.
10 posted on 11/01/2001 4:25:11 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk; zog
The agenda was not peace but energy corridors from points East to Europe. Control of energy corridors is what it is all about. Turkey is a 4th world nation and the last peace keeping mission they were in charge of was SOMALIA.
11 posted on 11/01/2001 5:46:48 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
I'm getting bumped - thanks - but I am not sure how since my name isn't in the bump list.
12 posted on 11/01/2001 5:52:51 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: Andrew Byler
You are on the bump list. --click "OLD STYLE" of the FreeRepublic navigator bar upper or lower right hand side.
13 posted on 11/01/2001 6:20:27 AM PST by Pericles
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To: aristeides
You are correct.
14 posted on 11/01/2001 8:39:24 AM PST by Pericles
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To: a_Turk; arkfreepdom; liberalism=failure; wideawake; norton; Shermy; Kale; Cobra64; FUSSBALL...
Now how did all those thousands of Turkish occupation and Christian ethnic cleansing troops in Northern Cyprus miss this one?

Wall Street Journal Europe-as revealed in the February 2001 East Africa bombing trial testimony of Jamal al Fadl -- an al Qaeda operative in charge of weapons development in Sudan -- uranium used in "dirty bombs" that release lethal radioactive material, had been tested in 1994 by members of the Sudan-based Islamic National Front in the town of Hilat Koko, in Turkish-held northern Cyprus.

15 posted on 11/01/2001 8:45:59 AM PST by Pericles
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To: tonycavanagh
men like you should not have been used for things like this - fyi
16 posted on 11/01/2001 8:53:32 AM PST by Pericles
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To: a_Turk
You're only there to prevent us from having gone in

In what capacity?

17 posted on 11/01/2001 5:17:08 PM PST by Hamiltonian
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To: Hamiltonian
You're only there to prevent us from having gone in

In what capacity
In a capacity not enjoyable to those laying siege to Bosnasaray.
18 posted on 11/01/2001 6:00:59 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
In a capacity not enjoyable to those laying siege to Bosnasaray

You don't say................

That would have required permission from others, and represents an option that would:

1. Unite the Christian Slavs in the Balkans if not everywhere else.

2. Ultimately paint Turkey and the mujihadeen with the same brush.

Turkey has no dog in the Balkans fight. Is "history" worth Turkey ruining its political capital in order to save Albanian illegal immigration in the Balkans?

A nation with a track record of unemployability, robbery, pimping, and the European sales agents for taliban heroin?

If Turkey had moved into Bosnia or Kosovo, no amount of Ruder Finn or the CNN war slut could have prevented a big problem.

Turkey does what it is told. For now, its job is to absorb earthquakes, make allies as directed, and hope that Jan Sobieski stays buried.

Wonder what Bayezid said when Taburlane had him in a cage.

19 posted on 11/01/2001 6:17:04 PM PST by Hamiltonian
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To: Hamiltonian
Turkey has no dog in the Balkans fight. Is "history" worth Turkey ruining its political capital in order to save Albanian illegal immigration in the Balkans?
Another Cold Loser!
A nation with a track record of unemployability, robbery, pimping, and the European sales agents for taliban heroin?
You musta had your glasses up your a$$ before you put them on to see what's up!
If Turkey had moved into Bosnia or Kosovo, no amount of Ruder Finn or the CNN war slut could have prevented a big problem.
Did your sister work for CNN?
Turkey does what it is told. For now, its job is to absorb earthquakes, make allies as directed, and hope that Jan Sobieski stays buried.
Yawn.
Wonder what Bayezid said when Taburlane had him in a cage.
He said, "What can I do for you?" To which Timur replied: "I'll have something to drink. It was a long journey."
20 posted on 11/01/2001 6:36:37 PM PST by a_Turk
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ping
21 posted on 11/01/2001 6:38:14 PM PST by a_Turk
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ping
22 posted on 11/01/2001 6:38:58 PM PST by a_Turk
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ping
23 posted on 11/01/2001 6:39:34 PM PST by a_Turk
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ping
24 posted on 11/01/2001 6:40:12 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
For those who may not catch the reference, Bosnasaray is the old Turkish name for Sarajevo.
25 posted on 11/01/2001 6:44:47 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Hamiltonian
In a capacity not enjoyable to those laying siege to Bosnasaray

You don't say................
That would have required permission from others, and represents an option that would:
1. Unite the Christian Slavs in the Balkans if not everywhere else.
2. Ultimately paint Turkey and the mujihadeen with the same brush.
This part I will agree with.
26 posted on 11/01/2001 6:46:05 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Pericles
From the look of him, he's been in and out of a few turkeys, a couple goats, a chicken that crossed the road and one of those ferret things.
27 posted on 11/01/2001 6:48:47 PM PST by leadhead
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To: Pericles
From the look of him, he's been in and out of a few turkeys, a couple goats, a chicken that crossed the road and one of those ferret things.
28 posted on 11/01/2001 6:49:19 PM PST by leadhead
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To: aristeides
It was torture watching those civilians getting hit by snipers every day. How about those lovers laying dead on that bridge. Remember that market attack?

It felt like they were asking us to come and stick up for the poor slobs. They were goosing us. I know it. And it almost worked.
29 posted on 11/01/2001 6:55:32 PM PST by a_Turk
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I remember the market attack. What makes you so sure that it was the Serbs who did it?
30 posted on 11/01/2001 6:59:17 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I remember the market attack. What makes you so sure that it was the Serbs who did it?
Hmm. Some also say that WTC was self inflicted, or that the Russian apartment bombings were done by the Russian government.

I can see that perspective. It's unrealistic.
31 posted on 11/01/2001 7:04:58 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: aristeides
Does a bear kaka in the woods?
32 posted on 11/01/2001 7:13:23 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: a_Turk
Appreciate the ping. I don't want to choose up Turkey vs. Greece, or rehash past and future Balkans fubar operations just now, and I don't believe Turkey would be apt to sponsor any kind of OBL type activities, although it's certainly possible some private citizens would.
33 posted on 11/01/2001 8:07:14 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: a_Turk; aristeides; Hamiltonian
Remember that market attack? What are a few lives in a Jihad?

SERBS 'NOT GUILTY' OF MASSACRE THE SUNDAY TIMES, 1 OCTOBER 1995, NO.8,927

by Hugh McManners, Defence Correspondent

British ammunition experts serving with the United Nations in Sarajevo have chalenged key "evidence" of the Serbian atrocity that triggered the devastating NATO bombing campaign which turned the tide of the Balkan war.

The experts, who examined the scene of the market massacre in Sarajevo in August, say they found no evidence that Bosnian Serbs had fired the lethal mortar round. They suspected the Bosnian government army might have been responsible.

They say French analysts who also examined the scene agreed with them. But they were overruled by the senior American officer, and the UN issued a statement saying it was beyond any doubt that the Bosnian Serbs were responsible for the blast, in which 37 people were killed and 90 wounded.

The carnage was used as a pretext for NATO's huge air campaign against the Bosnian Serbs, which was followed by extensive battlefield losses and forced the Serbs to the negotiating table.

The British experts were in a UN crater-analysis team that reached the Trznica (Markale) market in Sarajevo 40 minutes after the mortar attack on the morning of August 28. They began their inspection amid a bloody scene of smashed fruit stalls and screaming people.

Five mortars had been fired. The size of craters and metal splinters indicated that they were all of 120mm caliber, probably from towed mortars which are regularly fired into the city...

[...]

They suspected that the perpetrators might easily have been not the Bosnian Serbs but the Bosnian government army, which has been implicated in other incidents such as rocket attack on Sarajevo's television station on June 29, in which five people died and 30 others were injured.

The observations and findings were confirmed by the French, and they returned to base to make their report.

A senior American officer at the United Nations Protection Force (Unprofor) headquaters in Sarajevo dismissed their findings, however, citing a small groove known as a fuse furrow made in the ground by the bomb head.

...Neither British nor French analysis notice such a groove.

By nightfall, the UN announced that the Bosnian Serbs were to blame. Fewer than 48 hours later, the NATO air strikes and artillery campaign began... ...

34 posted on 11/01/2001 9:09:03 PM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
Uh, duh, I'll buy that, but first I've gotto stop at that bridge you offered me earlier.
35 posted on 11/01/2001 9:46:21 PM PST by a_Turk
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Talk to me when you can refute my sources, a_Turk. Anything else is a waste of bandwidth.
36 posted on 11/01/2001 9:59:23 PM PST by Pericles
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To: a_Turk
The bridge at Mostar? Sorry the Croats got to that one.
37 posted on 11/01/2001 10:00:01 PM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
Pericles, are you telling me that the nice Serbs sat there shooting spitballs at the city for years on end? That the Bosnian Muslim army just kept killing its so called citizens to get us to feel sorry for them? Does that not seem even a little absurd?

The Yugo army just sat there and one private pointed into the city with his finger and saidto the other: Hey Milan! look! they lobbed another round at themselves.

For Goodness sake Pericles. Give me a break.
38 posted on 11/01/2001 10:05:52 PM PST by a_Turk
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No, I was talking about the serbian girl and the muslim guy who both got shot and killed on that bridge in Sarayevo.

Cut me some slack. We were glued to every second of the years of this shit, and you can't even remember it.

How about Srebrenica. Now that was really the pits. Those flaming Dutch just stood there and watched. Why would they fulfil their duty to protect those piddlyass muslims anyway? They're worth so much less than good Dutch boys! So they just let the Serbs kill thousands of people, while watching them like the pussies they were.

That sort of behavior on part of the "international community" (pah!) is a disgrace to humanity. And that Bastard actually used it to inspire his kamikaze.

How can you people be so heartless? Whatever some string of losers did in the past cannot be sufficient reason to allow this today, no! The string of losers takes no end!
39 posted on 11/01/2001 10:15:49 PM PST by a_Turk
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Pericles, are you telling me that the nice Serbs sat there shooting spitballs at the city for years on end? That the Bosnian Muslim army just kept killing its so called citizens to get us to feel sorry for them? No I am not. British ammunition experts and French analysts are telling this. Did you not read it? Or are you not capable of admitting this to yourself? I can get you more sources from UN soldiers that wrote this fact in their memoirs.
40 posted on 11/01/2001 10:23:06 PM PST by Pericles
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To: a_Turk
Oh you mean the Sarajevo Romeo and Juliet? I remember them. You seem to have forgot about the market place killings you blamed on the Serbs. You did not expect proof existed that the Muslims killed thier own. I am not your typical American. I know my world events and I know my history.

More to come.

41 posted on 11/01/2001 10:28:10 PM PST by Pericles
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Sarajevo's 'Romeo and Juliet' finally at peace

April 11, 1996

Caption: Nermina Ismic mourns at the burial of her daughter, Admira, and her boyfriend Bosko Brkic on Wednesday in Sarajevo. The bodies were exhumed from a Serb military cemetery and taken to the city.

Associated Press

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herceovina -- The couple whose love and death came to symbolize Sarajevo's tragedy came home in coffins and were buried together Wednesday, ending the odyssey of a Serb man and Muslim woman the world knew as Romeo and Juliet.

Bosko Brkic and Admira Ismic died in sniper fire on Sarajevo's most dangerous bridge in May 1993. Their bodies lay in a last embrace for a week before being buried in a Serb-held suburb.

With the war over, Admira's father wanted his daughter and her beloved to rest in the city where they met. On Wednesday, the two were lowered into a joint grave in Lion Cemetery. Side-by-side wooden markers engraved with their names mark the spot.

"This is where they were killed and this is where they should have been buried," said Zijad Ismic, as his wife, Nermina, sobbed.

Ismic said he tried in vain to find Bosko's family to get permission for the reburial.

The story of the couple's love and death outgrew their personal tragedy to become a symbol of Sarajevo's plight.

Both were 25, and they had been together for nine years when they died. Asked by Bosko's mother at the start of the Bosnian war whether politics could ever separate them, Admira replied that only a bullet could do that.

The bullet came in 1993, remembered by many as the worst year of Sarajevo's siege, with hunger, cold and shelling daily occurrences.

The two had decided to seek a better life somewhere else.

They made a deal with friends in the Muslim-led government army to escape over the Vrbanja bridge across the Miljacka River. Government troops on the north bank and Serbs on the south kept the bridge under fierce sniper fire, making it a deadly no-man's land.

They went in daylight and were almost across when a sniper's bullet -- nobody knows from where -- killed Bosko. Another wounded Admira. She crawled to Bosko's body, put her arm around him and died without trying to go on alone.

As both sides traded blame for the killings, no one dared retrieve the bodies. Pictures of the dead couple filled newspapers and touched hearts worldwide.

Finally, the Serbs retrieved the bodies and buried them. Copyright 1996, The Detroit News

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Let us see the events:

They made a deal with friends in the Muslim-led government army to escape over the Vrbanja bridge across the Miljacka River. Government troops on the north bank and Serbs on the south kept the bridge under fierce sniper fire, making it a deadly no-man's land.

Oh so nice of the Muslims to get them help across. But why pick such a dangerous spot? The Muslims had safe outs from Sarajevo.

They went in daylight and were almost across when a sniper's bullet -- nobody knows from where -- killed Bosko. Another wounded Admira. She crawled to Bosko's body, put her arm around him and died without trying to go on alone.

Daylight?? They crossed a sniped bridge at daylight?? when a sniper's bullet -- nobody knows from where - I am guessing the same side that told them the bridge was safe.

Finally, the Serbs retrieved the bodies and buried them. Those Serbs! So evil!

The bodies were exhumed from a Serb military cemetery and taken to the city. Muslim propoganda props to the end. The Muslims did not even put a cross to mark the Christian Serb's grave.

42 posted on 11/01/2001 10:44:16 PM PST by Pericles
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To: Voronin; vooch
hey guys, a blast from the past. Remember when we were the fringe?
43 posted on 11/02/2001 6:57:41 AM PST by Pericles
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To: a_Turk
Don't you do any research? The couple was murdered by a Croat, Dragan Bozic, who fought for the Federation. Many, many things blamed on the Serbs were done by the Muslims. Do some research on the group Seve.

Therefore, every time you think of that couple kill blame the correct people - the Croats and Muslims of Seve.

Balkanpeace

A French peace forces member was killed at the time with a sniper bullet. Are Seve behind that murder?

Yes, they are... The unofficial information was that an investigation of that murder had been opened. The murder took place in the center of Sarajevo, next to the building of the Executive Council, and there was a well founded suspicion that the murder had been carried out by Seve. Herenda confirmed that in a part of his statement. According to him, the French soldier was murdered in an attempt to accuse Serbs for the crime. However, investigators who worked on that crime immediately found out that the bullet could not have come from the Serb positions in Grbavica, as was claimed in the public. The whole case caused quite a stir but Delic, Dautbasic, Mujezinovic, and Ugljen tried to hush everything down and were largely successful in that.

Fake Autopsies

Who murdered the young couple, a Muslim woman and a Serb man, on one bridge in Sarajevo, on the line of separation? That crime outraged the whole world and Serbs were blamed for it.

That is not true. This was perfidious propaganda of the people who gave orders to Seve. Herenda was specific in connection with that crime in his statement and stated that the couple had been murdered by Dragan Bozic from a sniper rifle. Herenda even described the spot from which Bozic killed them.


44 posted on 11/02/2001 7:28:32 AM PST by joan
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To: a_Turk
"How can you people be so heartless?"

We aren't heartless, we just don't fall for the propaganda. As you can see from my post above: that couple was murdered by the terrorist group Seve, not the Serbs.

The propagandists falsely blaming the Serbs are practically war criminals themselves.

Doesn't it make you wonder just how much propaganda and lies you and millions of others have fallen for? You were totally fooled and totally wrong on that incident. Totally.

You blame the Serbs for an incident without proof. You all have blamed the Serbs for something they didn't do.

When the hell are you going to apologize? When is the major newmedia going to come clean with all their lies and coverup of what the Muslims and Croats did to Serbs and each other?

45 posted on 11/02/2001 7:38:11 AM PST by joan
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To: joan
joan,

quick wasting your breath on a-turk.......he is clearly a fanatci supporter of islamist Mujhadeen Warriors......

46 posted on 11/02/2001 8:48:59 AM PST by vooch
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To: vooch
he is clearly a fanatci supporter of islamist Mujhadeen Warriors
Rubbish.
47 posted on 11/02/2001 9:34:58 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: joan
I ask myself. If what you say is true, and propaganda has gotten the best of us, then would it be fair to assume that it (propaganda getting the best of us) has only been happening for the past ten years? Could that have been going on for centuries?
48 posted on 11/02/2001 9:38:05 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
"....he is clearly a fanatci supporter of islamist Mujhadeen Warriors..."

Rubbish.

************

Welcome to the zoo, abi. Take care that you don't step too deep in the horses***.

50 posted on 11/02/2001 1:47:42 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely
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