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Al Qaeda's Balkan Links
Wall Street Journal Europe | November 1, 2001 | Marcia Christoff Kurop

Posted on 11/01/2001 3:53:17 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

The Balkans' uncharacteristically silent exit from the world stage as the most prominent international hot spot of the last decade belies its status as a major recruiting and training center of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. By feeding off the region's impoverished republics and taking root in the unsettled diplomatic aftermath of the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts, al Qaeda, along with Iranian Revolutionary Guard-sponsored terrorists, have burrowed their way into Europe's backyard.

For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part.

These activities have been exhaustively researched by Yossef Bodansky, the former director of the U.S. House of Representatives' Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare. The February testimony of an Islamist ringleader associated with the East Africa bombings have also helped throw light on these actions.

They have however been disguised under the cover of dozens of "humanitarian" agencies spread throughout Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania. Funding has come from now-defunct banks such as the Albanian-Arab Islamic Bank and from bin Laden's so-called Advisory and Reformation Committee. One of his largest Islamist front agencies, it was established in London in 1994.

Narco-Jihad Culture

The overnight rise of heroin trafficking through Kosovo -- now the most important Balkan route between Southeast Asia and Europe after Turkey -- helped also to fund terrorist activity directly associated with al Qaeda and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Opium poppies, which barely existed in the Balkans before 1995, have become the No. 1 drug cultivated in the Balkans after marijuana. Operatives of two al Qaeda-sponsored Islamist cells who were arrested in Bosnia on Oct. 23 were linked to the heroin trade, underscoring the narco-jihad culture of today's post-war Balkans.

These drug rings in turn form part of an estimated $8 billion a year Taliban annual income from global drug trafficking, predominantly in heroin. According to Mr. Bodansky, the terrorism expert, bin Laden administers much of that trade through Russian mafia groups for a commission of 10% to 15% -- or around $1 billion annually.

The settling of Afghan-trained mujahideen in the Balkans began around 1992, when recruits were brought into Bosnia by the ruling Islamic party of Bosnia, the Party of Democratic Action, from Chechnya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, as well as Italy, Germany and Turkey. They were all given journalists' credentials to avoid explicit detection by the West. Others were married immediately to Bosnian Muslim women and incorporated into regular army ranks.

Intelligence services of the Nordic-Polish SFOR (previously IFOR) sector alerted the U.S. of their presence in 1992 while the number of mujahideen operating in Bosnia alone continued to grow from a few hundred to around 6,000 in 1995. Though the Clinton administration had been briefed extensively by the State Department in 1993 on the growing Islamist threat in former Yugoslavia, little was done to follow through.

The Bosnian Embassy in Vienna issued a passport to bin Laden in 1993, according to various reports in the Yugoslav press at the time. The reports add that bin Laden then visited a terrorist camp in Zenica, Bosnia in 1994. The Bosnian government denies all of this, but admits that some passport records have been lost. Around that time, bin Laden directed al Qaeda "senior commanders" to incorporate the Balkans into an complete southeastern approach to Europe, an area stretching from the Caucasus to Italy. Al Zawahiri, the Egyptian surgeon reputed to be the second in command of the entire al Qaeda network, headed up this southeastern frontline.

By 1994, major Balkan terrorist training camps included Zenica, and Malisevo and Mitrovica in Kosovo. Elaborate command-and-control centers were further established in Croatia, and Tetovo, Macedonia as well as around Sofia, Bulgaria, according to the U.S. Congress's task force on terrorism. In Albania, the main training camp included even the property of former Albanian premier Sali Berisha in Tropje, Albania, who was then very close to the Kosovo Liberation Army.

Not even stalwart NATO ally Turkey escaped the network. Areas beyond government control were also visited by bin Laden in 1996 according to London-based Jane's Intelligence Review. The government has been battling two terrorist groups: Jund al Islam, whose assassinated Syrian leader was one of bin Laden's closets confidantes, and the Kurdish PKK, whose leader, Abdullah Ocalan, merged his group's activities with those of Iran's Hezbollah in 1998.

Furthermore, as revealed in the February 2001 East Africa bombing trial testimony of Jamal al Fadl -- an al Qaeda operative in charge of weapons development in Sudan -- uranium used in "dirty bombs" that release lethal radioactive material, had been tested in 1994 by members of the Sudan-based Islamic National Front in the town of Hilat Koko, in Turkish-held northern Cyprus. Cyprus, both its north and southern sides, has also become a center for offshore money laundering by Arab banks fronting al Qaeda funds into the Balkans. The CIA puts al Qaeda's specific Balkan-directed funds -- those tied to the "humanitarian" agencies and local banks and not explicitly counting the significant drug profits added to that -- at around $500 million to $700 million between 1992 and 1998.

So where was the U.S. in all this? It was not until 1995 that the Clinton administration was forced to start pursuing the Islamist network in the Balkans. Not quite a month after the Dayton accords had been signed in November 1995, an influx of Iranian arms came into Bosnia with the apparent tacit approval of the administration, in violation of U.N. sanctions. While publicly pressing Bosnian President Alia Izebegovic to purge remaining Islamist elements, the administration was loath to confront Sarajevo and Tehran over their presence.

Instead, Islamist groups went quietly underground as the windfall of weapons landed in their hands. They later joined up with a new Islamist center in Sofia established as a kind of rear guard by the al Zawahiri. Following the Zagreb arrest and extradition of renowned Egyptian militant Faud Qassim, an al Zawahiri favorite, the Sofia-based militants planned the deployment in Bosnia of terrorists capable of planning and leading possible major terrorist strikes against U.S. and SFOR facilities, according to al Fadl's testimony to the House Task Force on Terrorism.

Islamist infiltration of the Kosovo Liberation Army advanced, meanwhile. Bin Laden is said to have visited Albania in 1996 and 1997, according to the murder-trial testimony of an Algerian-born French national, Claude Kader, himself an Afghanistan-trained mujahideen fronting at the Albanian-Arab Islamic Bank. He recruited some Albanians to fight with the KLA in Kosovo, according to the Paris-based Observatoire Geopolitique des Drogues.

Controversial Relationship

By early 1998 the U.S. had already entered into its controversial relationship with the KLA to help fight off Serbian oppression of that province. While in February the U.S. gave into KLA demands to remove it from the State Department's terrorism list, the gesture amounted to little. That summer the CIA and CIA-modernized Albanian intelligence (SHIK) were engaged in one of the largest seizures of Islamic Jihad cells operating in Kosovo.

Fearing terrorist reprisal from al Qaeda, the U.S. temporarily closed its embassy in Tirana and a trip to Albania by then Defense Secretary William Cohen was canceled out of fear of an assassination attempt. Meanwhile, Albanian separatism in Kosovo and Metohija was formally characterized as a "jihad" in October 1998 at an annual international Islamic conference in Pakistan.

Nonetheless, the 25,000 strong KLA continued to receive official NATO/U.S. arms and training support and, at the talks in Rambouillet, France, then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright shook hands with "freedom fighter" Hashim Thaci, a KLA leader. As this was taking place, Europol (the European Police Organization based in The Hague) was preparing a scathing report on the connection between the KLA and international drug gangs. Even Robert Gelbard, America's special envoy to Bosnia, officially described the KLA as Islamic terrorists.

With the future status of Kosovo still in question, the only real development that may be said to be taking place there is the rise of Wahhabi Islam -- the puritanical Saudi variety favored by bin Laden -- and the fastest growing variety of Islam in the Balkans. Today, in general, the Balkans are left without the money, political resources, or institutional strength to fight a war on terrorism. And that, for the Balkan Islamists, is a Godsend.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedabalkans; balkans; kla; narcoterrorism; zawahiri
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1 posted on 11/01/2001 3:53:17 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: *balkans; *bang_list; Hoplite
bump - the mainstream is slowly getting it

Humanitarian warriors will soon be running for their lives to escape criminal responsibility for supporting terrorist network.

2 posted on 11/01/2001 5:10:03 AM PST by DTA
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To: DTA
There are not enough courts in the nation to handle the workload if our 'humanitarian warriers' were brought to justice.

Just fire those who are still in place, cut off all their federal or military pensions, and let them rot.

I want to see their masters, from the clintons to the field ranks and GS14s, tried and presented with hammers and a rock pile.

3 posted on 11/01/2001 5:30:10 AM PST by norton
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To: norton
I would be content with locking up the clintons. No one would listen to me when I said he hadn't ought to be bombing Christians and arming muslims. Monica's war: the latest facet of the clinton legacy to be revealed, only a tad bit late.
4 posted on 11/01/2001 5:54:57 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: norton
We need agressive investigators like 60 minutes or Bill Reily to keep looking into this shameful part of our history! How the Saudi Arabian money was used to bribe our politicians, lobbiests, and media heads. How Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, and the Mullahs of Iran were instrumental in cementing a moslem fanatic footing in Europe. How the CIA, and the Clinton administration dictated their treasonous will on our military. We need a revolutionary approach to bring these people to justice.
5 posted on 11/01/2001 6:22:16 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: DTA; norton; Hoplite; Torie; Ranger; bluester; Pericles; wonders
yup.....it sure seems awfuly quiet over there in the Clintonista Humanitarian Warrior corner ?

feeling a trifle guilty about supporting, funding, training, supply'g, & promoting Bosnian and Kosovo Mujhadeen for the last decade ? How's it feel to realize your reckless actions contributed to the deaths of 6,000 Americans on 9/11 ?

DTA is correct, the truth has finally caught up with these Humanitarian Warriors and gone mainstream

6 posted on 11/01/2001 6:22:51 AM PST by vooch
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To: vooch
Man, it was good to know you in this fight, vooch.
7 posted on 11/01/2001 6:47:22 AM PST by Pericles
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To: DTA
Yes, the Grifter x42, the Cleaning Lady, Cohen the Coward and the presstitutes scr*wed the pooch on this one. May justice be done some day...
8 posted on 11/01/2001 6:52:33 AM PST by eureka!
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To: Stand Watch Listen; Travis McGee; Black Jade; randalcousins; Hamiltonian; Kate22
Maybe I should quit posting. Seems the media caught up!
9 posted on 11/01/2001 6:53:57 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Stand Watch Listen; DTA; norton; Hoplite; Torie; Ranger; bluester; aristeides; wonders; vooch...
Not even stalwart NATO ally Turkey escaped the network. Areas beyond government control were also visited by bin Laden in 1996 according to London-based Jane's Intelligence Review.

Bin Laden In Turkey Twice-turkishpress.com Records show that Osama Bin Laden, the prime suspect in the terrorist attacks against the US last week, visited Turkey in 1996 and 1998. This visit also had a stop over in Adana before flying to Istanbul.

aristeides comments from the above posted link are as follows:

bin Laden was already on Interpol's wanted list in 1996? Well, well, well! According to Richard Labeviere's Dollars for Terror, bin Laden had no trouble landing his private jet at London's Heathrow Airport in Oct. 1997. He then attended a meeting at the house of the spokesman of bin Laden front ARC at 94 Dewsbury Rd., Wembley, London on Oct. 10, 1997, where the order was given for the massacre at Luxor that took place on Nov. 17, 1997.

By the way, the headquarters of the Turkish intelligence service is right outside Adana.

8 posted on 11/1/01 4:48 AM Pacific by aristeides

10 posted on 11/01/2001 7:06:17 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Stand Watch Listen; DTA; norton; Hoplite; Torie; Ranger; bluester; aristeides; wonders; vooch...
Not even stalwart NATO ally Turkey escaped the network. Areas beyond government control were also visited by bin Laden in 1996 according to London-based Jane's Intelligence Review.

I did not know Adana and Istanbul were outside Turksih government control!

11 posted on 11/01/2001 7:10:05 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Furthermore, as revealed in the February 2001 East Africa bombing trial testimony of Jamal al Fadl -- an al Qaeda operative in charge of weapons development in Sudan -- uranium used in "dirty bombs" that release lethal radioactive material, had been tested in 1994 by members of the Sudan-based Islamic National Front in the town of Hilat Koko, in Turkish-held northern Cyprus.

The Turks have thousands of occupation troops in Northern Cyprus.

12 posted on 11/01/2001 7:23:52 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles; vooch
FYI...
BOSNIA IS "SAFE HAVEN" FOR AL QAEDA
Source: Yahoo News; Published: 10/31/01
Author: Daria Sito-Sucic

13 posted on 11/01/2001 7:41:40 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Pericles
>>>>Maybe I should quit posting. Seems the media caught up!<<<<

Nah, it's the bottom of the hockey stick, more fuel is needed.

The rats will try to sneak off the sinking ship, their names should be exposed !!!

It's not only X42 and ABC gang, its Morton Abramowitz ( Human rights Watch, KLA adviser), Leon Feurth, Holbrooke and others who facilitated 911.

14 posted on 11/01/2001 7:55:19 AM PST by DTA
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To: DTA
Sorry, this article is a bunch of the usual B.S.

Heroin trafficking through Iran (The Balkans route) has been interdicted, because Iran isn't on friendly terms with the Taleban. The majority of Heroin out of Afghanistan passes through the former Soviet Union on it's way to Europe now, and it comes from Northern Alliance poppy fields.

Osama bin Laden was reported to have been in the Balkans by the Yugoslav media, which, under Milosevic, was not a credible source, and if there was a KLA terrorist camp in Mitrovica in 1994, I guess that makes Slobo a terrorist supporter, as the KLA didn't come into existence until 1996.

Again, we're only as good as our sources, and this article sucks.

The KLA, by the way, is still a clannish group, has never been fundamentalist Islamic, and has gone back to it's organized crime roots, where there's money to be made, as opposed to getting involved in terrorism with an aim to freeing the Saudi peninsula of US troops. Meanwhile, Bosnia wants to become a part of Europe, and the vast majority of it's citizens identify with Western democracies as opposed to Middle Eastern theocracies. Both have made alliances of convenience during their fighting against the Serbs, and those alliances of convenience have since been discarded by the powers that be in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Slobodan Milosevic was never an anti-terrorism crusader, as he was the biggest terrorist the Balkans have seen in the last 50 years, and has the bodycount to prove it.

What it comes down to, is Serb Nationalism was built on lies, and continues to lie in a desperate attempt to justify the crimes undertaken in it's name. Caveat emptor.

15 posted on 11/01/2001 8:10:00 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Just dont mention the fact that Osama's people use Bosnian passports, Hoplite? Or is that a Serb fabrication, too? The Western media, using Serbian propoganda as a source...what has the world come too!!!

More to come.

16 posted on 11/01/2001 8:21:13 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Hoplite
There never was "Serbian nationalism". Serbs are a warm, friendly people who welcome every good spirited person into their home. Take a look at the demographic map of Serbia, you Serb-hating twat.

Just like EVERY other naion on earth, the Serbs are patriots. They don't like when someone's f*cking around with them and they especially don't like liars and backstabbers.

Just like, say, the American Nation, the Serbs would like to protect themselves and their Great Country from scum. They certainly don't like to fight wars but when a war is imminent, no Serb runs and hides.

Instead of ranting around FR.com like a deranged maniac, take up some books and read them. May I suggest "Nachertaniye" by Iliya Garashanin...or any book by Svetozar Miletich.

You don't know SHIT about the Serbs, so unless you plan to do some serious research - shut the F up. OK?

17 posted on 11/01/2001 8:47:13 AM PST by Vojvodina
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To: tonycavanagh
I am sorry you where used in such a way. You were in a sense a victim of the Balkans also.
18 posted on 11/01/2001 8:54:34 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Vojvodina
There never was "Serbian nationalism".

Wow. My mistake.

Get a grip, kid.

19 posted on 11/01/2001 9:08:23 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Pericles
Yeah, Osama's people were in Bosnia, as were Mujahadeen from Iran, and they arrived after April of 1992, which is when Milosevic started his Jihad against Bosnia's Muslims.

I'm sure there's a cause and effect relationship buried in there somewhere. I just wish I could discern it...

20 posted on 11/01/2001 9:21:57 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
still desperately trying to explain why you supported the arming of Bosnian Mujhadeen who destroyed the legally elected moderate Muslim President of Bosnia Fikret Abdic ?

why did the Clintonista Humanitarian Warriors favour Mujhadeen over moderates such as Abdic ?

why did you Humanitarian Warriors supply, train, fund, and promote OBL killers instead of others ?

why do you refuse to accept that your decade long support of radical Mujhadeen in Europe helped contribute to the deaths of 6,000 Americans ?

21 posted on 11/01/2001 9:35:27 AM PST by vooch
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To: vooch
You are irrelevant.

Congratulations, you've earned it.

22 posted on 11/01/2001 10:03:03 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; vooch
Another hissy fit by Hoplite! What is the matter---can't answer vooch's questions?

more to come.

23 posted on 11/01/2001 10:33:55 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
Maybe I should quit posting. Seems the media caught up!

Lol, good one - but please don't! I've always enjoyed the quality of your posts and your thorough documentation.

24 posted on 11/01/2001 10:45:30 AM PST by bob808
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To: Doctor13
FYI
25 posted on 11/01/2001 10:52:38 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
If you choose to converse with an individual who has been proven to be a liar on multiple occasions, then be my guest.

Have fun.

26 posted on 11/01/2001 11:04:16 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Vojvodina
At least some of this is coming out .... finally! The Albanians invaded Serbia, just like Al Queda has invaded the US. I'm waiting for the article that talks about Mr. Thaci, Albright and Wesley Clarks good buddy.
27 posted on 11/01/2001 12:20:48 PM PST by AuntB
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To: Vojvodina
Oops! I should have read the last two paragraphs before posting....by gosh, we're getting there, Vojvodina. The truth will come out. It has a way of rearing it's ugly little head no matter who tries to stop it.
28 posted on 11/01/2001 12:24:18 PM PST by AuntB
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Thanks for the great post...Far from committing "genocide" (approximately 1000 dead in Kosovo over two years prior to the NATO war), the Serbs were doing exactly what we are doing now - going after Muslim terrorists who hid in civilian areas. Just think if Clinton and the irreparably stupid Allbright had spent the kind of effort in Kosovo to deal with Bin Laden.
The depraved scumbag even floated rumors of Serb terrorism in the US during his scummy little war. Never happened of course...
29 posted on 11/01/2001 12:30:19 PM PST by PETAMember
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To: Hoplite
when you can't answer the question attack the questioner, eh

to repeat:

why did you Humanitarian Warriors support Islamic fundementailists tied to OBL in Bosnia instead of the elected President Fikret Abdic ?

Abdic was a moderate muslim who was hounded by the Bosnian Mujhadeen................

30 posted on 11/01/2001 12:37:10 PM PST by vooch
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Bump for later reading!
31 posted on 11/01/2001 1:45:04 PM PST by F-117A
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To: vooch
Refresh your memory.

You're not worth my time any more.

32 posted on 11/01/2001 1:52:36 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I hate to say, . . . but ayatollah ya' so!
33 posted on 11/01/2001 2:05:51 PM PST by Doctor13
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Do you have a link for this article? Thanks.
34 posted on 11/01/2001 2:56:30 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I guess this is why people hate America...
35 posted on 11/01/2001 3:00:01 PM PST by konijn
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To: Hoplite
Osama bin Laden was reported to have been in the Balkans by the Yugoslav media, which, under Milosevic, was not a credible source...

I don't see any references to the Guarantor or his press here.

...and if there was a KLA terrorist camp in Mitrovica in 1994, I guess that makes Slobo a terrorist supporter, as the KLA didn't come into existence until 1996.

Maybe the separatists didn't hook up with Bin Laden until 1996, but they were at it long before Milosevic.

36 posted on 11/01/2001 3:02:23 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Balto_Boy
This is the link to the article you requested.

http://freedomofpress.tripod.com/wsj5.html

37 posted on 11/01/2001 3:29:17 PM PST by Doctor13
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To: DTA
Think Milosevic could help with this problem?...oh that's right, he's in jail. That was supposed to cause world peace or whatever.
38 posted on 11/01/2001 3:35:33 PM PST by grania
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To: Balto_Boy
The question is whether Osama bin Laden was in the Balkans. His organization was, but there have been no credible reports that he himself was ever in either Bosnia or Kosovo, and his organization hasn't been responsible for anything of note in the Balkans - Britain is a far better place to look for Bin Laden hosting culpability.

Lastly, unlike true Mujahadeen, the majority of Muslims in the Balkans don't want anything to do with Sharia, and would be expelled or executed for heresy (wow, what irony) as soon as they came under any sort of fundamentalist islamic state - the fighting in the Balkans was never about religion as much as it was a simple power struggle cloaked under a religious vestment. Serbia has Muslims living peacefully inside its' borders, but they never posed a political threat to Milosevic, ergo, they were allowed to stay - not so the non-Serbs living in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo who threatened Milosevic's power.

39 posted on 11/01/2001 3:39:07 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Vojvodina
You tell 'em, Vojvodina...a lot of us here at FR learned a lot about history with the help of our Serbian friends on FR!
40 posted on 11/01/2001 3:39:13 PM PST by grania
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To: Hoplite
Well I may be a kid but I sure as hell don't go around giving lectures on subjects I know nothing about. Strange, but you Serb-haters 'know' more about Serbs than Serbs themselves... All you know is the 'facts' you've got from the ICG, HRW and CNN.

The scum is being flushed! CLEAN-UP TIME! Enjoy the ride!

41 posted on 11/01/2001 5:03:15 PM PST by Vojvodina
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To: Hoplite
"Serbia has Muslims living peacefully inside its' borders, but they never posed a political threat to Milosevic, ergo, they were allowed to stay - not so the non-Serbs living in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo who threatened Milosevic's power."

Or maybe it was the Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and Albanians who saw Serbs as threats to their territories' independence.

Croats, Muslims, and Albanians were killing Serbs from the very beginning - even before the beginnings of these wars. Serbs were being discriminated against and kicked out of their jobs in Croatia, for instance.

That is why the first refugees in these wars were Serbs from Croatia. I believe the grand total number of Serbs who left Croatia during the '90's is over 600,000.

It is Croatia's demographic picture which seems to have been most permanently changed in the recent Balkan wars - its population was 12% Serb in 1991, but now is supposedly only 2-3%.

42 posted on 11/01/2001 5:31:14 PM PST by joan
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To: Hoplite; DTA
Do you deny that the bin Ladin network supported terrorists in Bosnia and Kosovo?
43 posted on 11/01/2001 5:31:20 PM PST by F-117A
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To: Hoplite; Balto_Boy
...his [bin Laden] organization hasn't been responsible for anything of note in the Balkans.

You really believe this?

44 posted on 11/01/2001 5:36:33 PM PST by F-117A
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To: Vojvodina
Well I may be a kid but I sure as hell don't go around giving lectures on subjects I know nothing about.

Au contraire, mon frere.

Strange, but you Serb-haters 'know' more about Serbs than Serbs themselves...

I'm not a Serb hater, Voj, but I know you better than you seem to know your little nationalist self.

(Package check... still there, whew!)

All you know is the 'facts' you've got from the ICG, HRW and CNN.

All I know is that I just had to look up the ICG to see who they were (don't think I've ever seen anything but a tangential reference to them here on F.R.), do view HRW as a respectable source of information, as they still have the only realistic assessment of Yugoslavian civilian casualties during the War and just published a magnum opus on the Kosovo conflict which will be belittled by all the right people:

Yugoslav arrmy chief-of-staff general-collonel Nebojsa Pavkovic in his statement for FoNet news agency on Sunday, labelled the claims made by organization for protecion of human rights Human Rights Watch related to his involvement in crimes against Kosovo Albanians in 1999 as "idiotic statements of certain persons with complexes."

Ah, yes, how predictably sweet - he'll get his chance to defend himself someday too, I hope.

And lastly, I don't have a Television, and CNN is rather more for the short attention span set - sorry, but you're talking smack again.

I suppose I can look on the bright side and rest easy with the knowledge that you're up in Canada where you can't get yourself into much real trouble, and don't worry, I've been enjoying the ride ever since Milo went to the Hague and started throwing temper tantrums - it's really quite fascinating to reflect that he actually wound up in charge of a European Nation.

45 posted on 11/01/2001 6:09:46 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I was only talking about MY RIGHT to be a nationalist. I am a right-winger but I don't go mental if I encounter a non-Serb. I come from an area where there are 28 national minorities and where the Serbs have been on the receiving end for quite some time - you know "the state of the citizens" where, paradoxically, everyone seems to get encouraged about realising their national aspirations BUT the HOST NATION, and similar shite. The only reason I come across as a nationalist is because I have experienced first-hand how LITTLE the Serbs in Vojvodina matter, even though they make up almost 70% of the population. I don't like it. Everyone is allowed to have their rights protected and pursue national interests (within Serbia!) but the Serbs, right? Well, screw that.

It really was high time someone dealt with that crap.

46 posted on 11/01/2001 6:35:28 PM PST by Vojvodina
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To: joan
Minorities pose a threat to Nationalists, ergo, Serbs got mistreated and expelled from HDZ areas and Croats got mistreated and expelled from the RSK - and the Croats didn't have a head start on returning to 'fratriphobia', contrary to what you have heard, Joan.

(Given 12% of the population of Croatia, 600,000 is more Serbs than were living there to start with, methinks).

Croatia has census information on the web, but it doesn't have an ethnic breakdown. I'll wait for that to come out, rather than relying on 'supposedly', no offense.

47 posted on 11/01/2001 7:17:12 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: F-117A
No.

Are you saying that Bin Laden was a major force in the Balkans?

48 posted on 11/01/2001 7:17:47 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: F-117A
Yes, I do.

Can you name anything of note directly attributable to Al Quaeda in the Balkans?

49 posted on 11/01/2001 7:18:37 PM PST by Hoplite
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Can you name anything of note directly attributable to Al Quaeda in the Balkans?

"The bin Ladin network is multi-national and has established a worldwide presence. Senior figures in the network are also senior leaders in other Islamic terrorist networks, including those designated by the Department of State as foreign terrorist groups, such as the Egyptian al-Gama'At al-Islamiyya and the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Bin Ladin and his network seek to provoke a war between Islam and the West and the overthrow of existing Muslim governments, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia."

...

"The bin Ladin network supports terrorists in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, and now Kosovo."

You'll have to ask these guys for details. U.S. State Department (1998) All I know is that your ilk were supporting the terrorists shortly thereafter!

50 posted on 11/01/2001 8:04:42 PM PST by F-117A
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