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ISRAEL DISCLOSES ITS NUCLEAR OPTION
MENL ^ | 11/03/2001 | MENL

Posted on 11/03/2001 3:21:38 AM PST by CommiesOut

ISRAEL DISCLOSES ITS NUCLEAR OPTION

TEL AVIV [MENL] -- For the first time, Israel has allowed an open discussion of its nuclear program.

The discussion is contained in a new documentary on Israel's nuclear capability. It is the first time the government has allowed the production and airing of such a program.

In contrast to previous documentaries on the subject produced abroad, Israeli leaders agreed to be interviewed. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres reviewed the history of Israel's nuclear program and its cooperation with France in the 1950s and 1960s.

Neither Peres nor any other Israeli official acknowledges that the Jewish state has nuclear weapons. Previous assessments have asserted that Israel has up to 200 nuclear warheads.

The documentary, "A Bomb in the Basement ­ Israel’s Nuclear Option," was produced in France, Israel and the United States and quotes former U.S. officials recalling Washington's opposition to Israel's nuclear program. The documentary will be aired in Israel on Sunday.

"We thought it was a mistake on Israel’s part to develop nuclear weapons," Paul Warnke, former chief U.S. arms control negotiator, said.

The screening of the documentary comes amid Israel's quiet debate on increasing its nuclear deterrence in face of Iran's development of atomic weapons. Former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has privately urged a change in Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity once Iran is assessed at having a nuclear weapon, expected as early as 2004.

France supplied most of the components and technology for Israel's nuclear program. The French secretly constructed the nuclear reactor in Dimona, which remains off-limits to international inspection. The project was supervised by French Atomic Energy Commission director Francois Perrin.

"Francois Perrin called [then-French Prime Minister] Guy Mollet the day after my visit and told him that Israel should be supplied with a nuclear bomb," former French defense official Abel Thomas said. "That's how it was."

The documentary quotes what it termed foreign sources as saying that Israel declared a nuclear alert three times in its history. The sources said that during the 1970s, Israel built three to five atom bombs annually and today has an arsenal of at least 200 nuclear weapons.

The film quotes military analyst and commentaror Ze’ev Schiff as saying that he was the only journalist allowed to tour the Dimona nuclear facility.



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To: Patria One
It's in the Koran, I think it's called taquiya, or something similar. Again, when you deny it, or equate it with something else from history, you are PRACTICING it, and now that you've made us aware, (9/11, Palistinian women celebrating in the streets in GAZA), we don't buy your BS anymore. Sorry, too late.

Don't like Gaza? Try Jordan. The Original Palistinian State.

51 posted on 11/03/2001 10:23:57 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: hove
We gave them their "Gaza strips", they're called Reservations. Why don't you go live on one?
52 posted on 11/03/2001 10:25:46 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: hove
You mean like America belongs to Native American Indians?

Not quite. You're guilty of reifying here. There is no such group as Native American Indians. That's just a unitary term applied to a large number of different populations of different languages, religions, histories, and even distinct genetic differences which all happened to be occupying different geographical areas, fighting each other, making alliances, moving around, moving in, displacing other groups. And, no, "America" doesn't belong to them except to the extent that they are born into America as American citizens.
53 posted on 11/03/2001 10:26:32 AM PST by aruanan
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To: winslow
Israel destroys tunnel on Egypt's borders Foreign Affairs Source: United Press International Published: Nov 03, 2001 Author: SAUD ABU RAMADAN Posted on 11/3/01 10:45 AM Pacific by grimalkin
54 posted on 11/03/2001 10:26:34 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
" Patria One, member since October 20th, 2001 "

BTW, welcome. I gotta run. Keep me posted on those Israeli "atrocities". Gives me a warm feeling just reading about them.

55 posted on 11/03/2001 10:29:12 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: aruanan
You don't remember the Great Native American Republic? Me neither.
56 posted on 11/03/2001 10:30:55 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
The pictures you are speaking of were taken at the end of the Gulf war.
57 posted on 11/03/2001 10:34:57 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Republic of Texas; Patria One
" Patria One, member since October 20th, 2001 "

and before that:

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58 posted on 11/03/2001 10:35:04 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: Don Myers
You think your "UAIFs" have the bomb, but do they have a delivery system? Paranoia is such a wonderful condition.

I meant Israel's nuclear weapons, read #15. UAIF's only voiced an opinion that Israel would be justified to nuke just about any country, not limited to their attackers, if they were to go down, and that that is a valid blackmail weapon to use to make America and Europe not to "abandon" their "ally".

59 posted on 11/03/2001 10:40:29 AM PST by madrussian
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To: winslow
They did the same thing in Ramallah in March of this year. Cut water and electricity to 70,000 people.
60 posted on 11/03/2001 10:43:50 AM PST by Patria One
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To: madrussian
"UAIF's only voiced an opinion that Israel would be justified to nuke just about any country, not limited to their attackers, if they were to go down, and that that is a valid blackmail weapon to use to make America and Europe not to "abandon" their "ally"."

Interesting. Just who are the UAIFs, and can you show anything in which these people did that?

61 posted on 11/03/2001 11:05:21 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Uprise
Just In Case You Didn't Know ...

3 MILLION JEWS ARE WORTH MORE THAN BILLIONS OF:

ISLAMIC DEMONIACS!

What Have ISLAMICS Contributed To The World Community?

And The Answer IS:

DEATH....DESTRUCTION...TURMOIL...PAGAN RELIGIONS...

Just to name a Few..OH...and THERE IS MORE!

Get Your Head Out Of The Sand...and Take A Good Hard Look Around The World, And See What These DEMONS Are Doing!

Here's Another FACT:

The Palestine...Palestinian MYTH: Propaganda Being Ramed Down Our Collective Throats Is...

A BIG LIE...Perpetuated By ISLAMIC SHILLS...

And If The Shoe/Sandal Fits...WEAR IT!

Now Get On Your DONKEY and Say...BUH BYE!

62 posted on 11/03/2001 11:31:16 AM PST by Simcha7
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To: Simcha7
"Just In Case You Didn't Know ... 3 MILLION JEWS ARE WORTH MORE THAN BILLIONS OF: ISLAMIC DEMONIACS!"

You're not a racist, are you?

63 posted on 11/03/2001 11:40:25 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Simcha7
Just In Case You Didn't Know ... 3 MILLION JEWS ARE WORTH MORE THAN BILLIONS OF: ISLAMIC DEMONIACS! What Have ISLAMICS Contributed To The World Community? And The Answer IS: DEATH....DESTRUCTION...TURMOIL...PAGAN RELIGIONS... Just to name a Few..OH...and THERE IS MORE! Get Your Head Out Of The Sand...and Take A Good Hard Look Around The World, And See What These DEMONS Are Doing! Here's Another FACT: The Palestine...Palestinian MYTH: Propaganda Being Ramed Down Our Collective Throats Is... A BIG LIE...Perpetuated By ISLAMIC SHILLS... And If The Shoe/Sandal Fits...WEAR IT! Now Get On Your DONKEY and Say...BUH BYE! 62 posted on 11/3/01 12:31 PM Pacific by Simcha7 [ Post Reply

You said it JUST right!!!Right on!!

64 posted on 11/03/2001 11:49:49 AM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
Israel is hardly economically successful. What can you be thinking of?

I was thinking about their GDP of $110 billion and their central government's budget of $45B annually. Foreign aid helps but is not essential. With a per capita income of over $18,000 this is greater than many EU nations (as is their state budget... twice as large as Ireland with similar demographics). This is 5-6 times greater than any of her neighbors Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria.

Imagine how much better this picture would look if they didn't have to devote so much money to fighting off 5 attacks in 50 years.

65 posted on 11/03/2001 11:57:07 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: madrussian
Israel would be justified to nuke just about any country, not limited to their attackers

I'm not sure what you are referring to, but how is this different from us attacking the Taliban in Afghanistan? The Taliban didn't attack us, but they supported ouor attackers, so we attacked the Taliban.

66 posted on 11/03/2001 12:00:08 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Patria One
Israel is succesful compared to the backward Islamic,muslim nations. Is that one reason that they hate Israel, and USA.

What would you have us do, withdraw our savings from bank and burn all our savings, and quit our jobs where WORK hard for our MONEY. And return to the backward times like your Islamics live in?!

Islamic muslims suck!

OH, and they treat females like dogs, and allow them NO education! How about that eh??!

67 posted on 11/03/2001 12:00:19 PM PST by timestax
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To: Patria One
It really doesn't matter when the pictures were taken, the question is did they cheer the attack on us? I can show you a picture of the WTC but that doesn't mean it didn't collapse.
68 posted on 11/03/2001 12:01:45 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Jack Barbara
How do you feel about the carrying of guns by irresponsible tall children or the legally insane?

ROFL

69 posted on 11/03/2001 12:04:14 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: monkeyshine
I was thinking about their GDP of $110 billion and their central government's budget of $45B annually. Foreign aid helps but is not essential. With a per capita income of over $18,000 this is greater than many EU nations (as is their state budget... twice as large as Ireland with similar demographics). This is 5-6 times greater than any of her neighbors Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria. Imagine how much better this picture would look if they didn't have to devote so much money to fighting off 5 attacks in 50 years. 65 posted on 11/3/01 12:57 PM Pacific by monkeyshine [ Post Reply

That's why those Islamic Palestinians hang around Israel, like vultures, attracted to the money making situations, while at the same time,thinking of and implementing schemes to murder all Israelis. Sorta like wanting to have their cake, and eating it too! Or having their cake, and destroying it too! What a bunch of losers!

70 posted on 11/03/2001 12:06:54 PM PST by timestax
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To: CommiesOut
Known for a long time.
They now have sophisticated neutron weapons to go with the Jericho.
They will use them too.
Watch the Middle East -- you don't have to know much Bible to see that this is where it is going to be happening.
71 posted on 11/03/2001 12:07:22 PM PST by WalterSkinner
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To: Patria One
YOU'RE NOT AN ISLAMIC SHILL...ARE YOU???
72 posted on 11/03/2001 12:11:28 PM PST by Simcha7
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To: Simcha7
To: Patria One YOU'RE NOT AN ISLAMIC SHILL...ARE YOU??? 72 posted on 11/3/01 1:11 PM Pacific by Simcha7 [ Post Reply

She is prolly just jealous that GOD has blessed the USA,Britain,Canada,Australia,and Israel with great economies, while their so called "Allah" or whatever , seems to have forgotten his beloved islamic muslims. That's how I see it.

73 posted on 11/03/2001 12:18:40 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
It is absurd. When the Egypt-Israel accords were signed, many Israelis had visions of a great co-operation between the two countries, trading resources and technology and starting an economic boom on the south side of the Med. At the time, Israel could have contributed immense agricultural technologies and many in the agriculture industry had hoped to be able to work with the Egyptians to improve their farmland.

The Egyptians would have none of it. The economic success of Israel can be duplicated by any nation that values education, cooperation, understanding. The only Islamic state I can think of that comes close to these values is Turkey. Any nation that subjucates women, places little value on education, is not responsive to the economic desires of their citizens, and encourages war is going to be a wasteland. Unfortunately, this describes almost all of the Arab states. Only the Oil states have been able to avert it to some degree (Saudi Arabia has over 20% unemployment despite all the riches) but that is obviously due to oil money. Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt could be as successful as Israel but they are going to have to overthrow their leaders, open their societies, and value the things we in the west value. Until then they will remain far behind.

74 posted on 11/03/2001 12:39:54 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Yeah, and they want to kill the "GOLDEN GOOSE", USA while at the same time getting aid and "checkbook diplomacy" from the "great satan".
75 posted on 11/03/2001 12:44:29 PM PST by timestax
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To: Aric2000
First, lets get something out of the way.

I support israel, and their struggle for a homeland, in the area known loosely now as palestine, and I support them doing whatever it takes to live secure inside their borders.

Second, I think it's safe to assume that yes, they have used blackmail against the US in the past, and they do target us with penetrations-spying-using every trick in the book.

Third, I also have no doubt that if push came to shove, they would blackmail the US and some other western nations with a nuke strike, or other WMD strike or strikes -or very credible threats of same- if it looked like we were going to abandon them in some war.

Fourth, because of the above views, I would hope we hold them as allies, but not forget it's ALWAYS every nation for itself. I'm a USA-firster, always.

76 posted on 11/03/2001 1:04:59 PM PST by zog
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To: zog
North Africa/Israel: Seth Carus and Dov Zakheim

April 6, 1998

On April 6, 1998, System Planning Corporation (SPC) hosted a roundtable discussion for the Rumsfeld Commission to discuss the ballistic missile threat to the United States from Israel, Libya and Egypt. Dr. Seth Carus of the National Defense University led the discussion. Dr. Dov Zakheim of SPC also participated. The following is a summary of the meeting, and highlights key areas of consensus.

Israel

Israel's ballistic missile program dates back to several missile and rocket programs in the late 1950's and early 1960's. Israel's military research and development establishment developed two missiles: the Luz, with a range of 27 km, and the Shavit II rocket, an experimental system.

Jericho I

Zakheim and Carus agreed that the Jericho I was Israel's first true ballistic missile program. They both asserted that little is known about the system, and that there is considerable debate about the range and payload specifications of the system. Some have stated that the missile has a range of 260 km, while others assert that it could be as great as 750 km. It is generally agreed that Israel has or had between 50-100 Jericho I missiles and that it was designed as a nuclear delivery vehicle.

Jericho II

The participants also agreed that Israel initiated development of a follow on to the Jericho I, the Jericho II in 1985. The Israelis initiated a series of test launches of this missile into the Mediterranean between May 1987 and March 1992. These missiles were tested to a range of 1300 km (800 miles), although little is known about the payload specifications during these tests.

It is believed that this missile is more accurate than the Jericho I. It is also believed that the missile is very similar to the Pershing II missile, and that it has a radar terminal guidance system. It is unknown how many Jericho II missiles Israel has deployed, and whether they are armed with nuclear warheads.

Jericho II B

There are reports that Israel is building a follow on to the Jericho II, the Jericho II B, also known as the Jericho III. This missile could carry a 1000 kg payload to a range of 2,800 km.

Shavit

Carus noted that Israel has derived much of its ballistic missile technology from its space launch program, particularly from the Shavit space launch vehicle. It appears that the Jericho II's first two stages are identical to the Shavit's. Carus also concluded that a ballistic missile based on the design of the Shavit's first two stages could carry a 900 kg payload to a range of 4,850 km (3,000 miles), and a 500 kg payload to 7,600 km (4,700 miles). Both of the participants agreed, however, that Israel will probably not attempt to develop a missile with a range beyond that of the Jericho II B. There are no strategic advantages to do this.

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/missile/rumsfeld/pt1_africa.htm

77 posted on 11/03/2001 1:42:25 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: zog
Israel doesn't have to blackmail the U.S. The simple fact that we think they have 200 nuclear weapons is enough of an incentive to defend them out of our own self interest. If Israel were to be attacked and go down, what would be the consequences of Israel's nuke stash falling into the hands of Syria, Iraq, Iran?
78 posted on 11/03/2001 2:24:11 PM PST by metalurgist
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To: monkeyshine
I am referring to Israel's supporters, a.k.a. UAIF's, having pointed out that Israel's nuclear weapon can be used as blackmail for the West.
80 posted on 11/03/2001 3:29:59 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Don Myers
I defined who UAIF's are. As to where, here on FR. You'll have to read up if you want to research this subject further.
81 posted on 11/03/2001 3:32:54 PM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
"You'll have to read up if you want to research this subject further."

Not worth the effort...

82 posted on 11/03/2001 3:39:23 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: madrussian
ICBM Jericho 111! Intercontinental it is. How does that reach you? Aggressive little critters, aren't they?
83 posted on 11/03/2001 4:17:15 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: adolfus34
This poster and many others on this thread have stated that there are "3 million Israelis."

I have not seen it refuted, so I take it upon myself to state that there are well in excess of 5 million Jews in Israel and the Territories. There are also some 1 million Muslims who are citizens and residents of Israel. There are also some 1 million persons who are neither Muslims nor Jews, and this would include European and Asian Christian guest workers as well as overstayed tourists, and local Christians of Greek, Armenian, and others as well as "Palestinian" ie Arabic-speaaking, stock...

I think we need these numbers to put the some 2 million (at most) Islamic Arab Palestinians into perspective when they say that that "their" country is being "occupied" by someone else. If Israel is "occupying" the land between Jordan and Mediterranean, then the United States is "occupying" Indiana, and Britain is "occupying" Stratford upon Avon.

84 posted on 11/03/2001 5:10:21 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Patria One
Compared to surrounding nations, yes.....Israel is successful.
85 posted on 11/03/2001 5:24:32 PM PST by Puck from Michigan
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To: CommiesOut
First we got “the bomb” and that was good,
‘cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got “the bomb” but that’s OK
‘cause the balance of power’s maintained that way

Who’s next?

France got “the bomb” but don’t you grieve,
‘cause they’re on our side. I believe.
China got “the bomb” but have no fear,
They can’t wipe us out for at least 5 years.

Who’s next?

Then Indonesia said that they
Were gonna get one any day
South Africa wants two, that’s right,
One for the black and one for the white.

Who’s next?

Egypt’s gonna get one too
Just to use on “you know who”,
Israel’s getting tense,
want’s one in self defense.
The Lord’s our shepherd says the Psalm
But just in case,
We’re gonna get a bomb

Luxembourg is next to go,
And who knows,
Maybe Monaco
We’ll try to stay serene and calm,
When Alabama gets “the bomb”

With apologies to Tom Lehrer

86 posted on 11/03/2001 5:27:30 PM PST by P8riot
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To: CommiesOut
When Iran has the nuke, within no more than 5 years there will be armageddon in the middle east.
87 posted on 11/03/2001 5:31:10 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: madrussian
They don't need to blackmail anyone. If the Arabs attack Israel and drive it to the brink of destruction, unleashing these weapons on the Arab states would destabilize the region and probaly render useless 40% of the world's known oil supplies. That is enough of a reason for the west to try to bring peace to the region. It's not blackmail, it's just a practical geopolitical reality.

The Arabs should make peace with Israel. There is no reason for them to continue their hateful rhetoric, especially considering the west's support for a Palestinian state. It's time for the Arab states to step forward and offer a quid pro quo.

88 posted on 11/03/2001 5:35:27 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Simcha7
Get rid of the Pagan religion part and I would probably agree with you. But saying that Islam is a pagan religion is like saying that Buddhism is a pagan religion.
89 posted on 11/03/2001 5:40:35 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
So, your point is..........?
90 posted on 11/03/2001 5:43:20 PM PST by P8riot
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To: monkeyshine; madrussian
I meant Israel's nuclear weapons, read #15. UAIF's only voiced an opinion that Israel would be justified to nuke just about any country, not limited to their attackers, if they were to go down....

Any country? No. Just the nearby Muslim nations. Israel will not waste precious time trying to figure out *exactly* who done it. The hammer will drop on the Arab Muslim world. Just as it should. Some oil fields will be obliterated too.

91 posted on 11/03/2001 5:43:27 PM PST by dennisw
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To: CommiesOut
"Francois Perrin called [then-French Prime Minister] Guy Mollet the day after my visit and told him that Israel should be supplied with a nuclear bomb,"

Oh no, don't tell me Israel got their bomb from FRANCE! And all this time I thought Israel was a nuclear power.

If their bombs work as well as Renault cars, the Arabs will be able to salvage any that fall on them and sell them to Japan as scrap iron.

92 posted on 11/03/2001 6:11:22 PM PST by epow
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To: P8riot
My point is that people always go too far in a statement like this and end up turning people off of the REAL message. I was telling where I thought he went too far. Was it THAT HARD to figure out? I wrote it as simply as I could!!
93 posted on 11/03/2001 6:19:52 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Jack Barbara
How do you feel about the carrying of guns by irresponsible tall children or the legally insane?

The same as I feel about responsible short criminals and small insane children.

94 posted on 11/03/2001 6:25:05 PM PST by epow
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To: CommiesOut
In my church camp, this information has been known since 1985.
95 posted on 11/03/2001 6:26:09 PM PST by Sueann
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To: Patria One
There was no Israel either until 1948, but Palestine is mentioned by Shakespeare and Chaucer.

Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

God. Joshua 1, vs.2. ~2000 years BC (or ~3560 years before Shakespeare).

Muhammed, the founder of Islam, lived from about 570 AD - 632 AD.

96 posted on 11/03/2001 6:29:57 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: monkeyshine
That is enough of a reason for the west to try to bring peace to the region. It's not blackmail, it's just a practical geopolitical reality.

So the relationship with Israel is based on fear of Israel nuking the oil fields? Nice "ally" we have there. That fully realizes that its nukes can be used as blackmail. But it's not blackmail. Uhuh.

97 posted on 11/03/2001 8:01:19 PM PST by madrussian
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To: struwwelpeter
couldn't agree more - the French are intent on destabalizing the entire region - remember they were the ones who helped the Iraqi's w/ their N program. Can we please nuke Paris when we're done with the Taliban?
98 posted on 11/03/2001 8:13:23 PM PST by Fujiwara
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To: Patria One
Hi Astonished. I admire your bulldogged nature of reappearing so many times with so many different names.
99 posted on 11/03/2001 8:16:19 PM PST by sakic
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
bump
100 posted on 11/03/2001 9:12:58 PM PST by timestax
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