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Anti-gun tie to Columbine???
Concealed Carry Handguns ^ | #9 2001 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 11/03/2001 4:04:19 PM PST by RichardEdward

" I talked with SWAT cop who had responded, and the bomb guys, and so on. While there, I got the inside story. Most of America doesn't know that one of the two killers was teh son of a vehement anti-gun person.... Most of American doesn't know that the man who bought the Tec-9 carbine for the two mass murders was the son of Handgun Control, Inc's most known spokesperson in the Denver area. Yet this is all a matter of documented and indisputable record


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does anyone know if this is true? how about an online source to back it up??
1 posted on 11/03/2001 4:04:19 PM PST by RichardEdward
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To: AnnaZ
Bump to the expert.
2 posted on 11/03/2001 4:07:39 PM PST by labusiness
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To: RichardEdward
Anti-gun parents or not, these punks of hold of guns and used them with deadly force. These were kids who should never had had them.
3 posted on 11/03/2001 4:07:56 PM PST by Gimlet
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To: RichardEdward; *bang_list
It's news to me...However, it seems like this card would have already been played if it were true.

Added to bang_list. (Click HERE to show most gun-related articles recently posted on FreeRepublic.com.)

4 posted on 11/03/2001 4:09:02 PM PST by Skibane
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To: RichardEdward
I hadn't seen the Article, but I can tell you who Massad Ayoob is.
He is a Police Officer, and Firearms Trainer. He is one of the top Expert witnesses in the country in shooting cases. He writes for a variety of gun magazines and is as pro gun as they come.

I have heard some people say they didn't like him or like his 'style', but I have never heard anyone question his competence or his honesty.

So9

6 posted on 11/03/2001 4:12:13 PM PST by Servant of the Nine
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To: RichardEdward
Massad has a great deal of credibilty, reliability, and standing, in the gun community, did he write what you placed at the beginning of this thread or did you, and if he wrote it, where is the associated article. Visiting the Harris link provides nothing to substantiate who wrote what.
7 posted on 11/03/2001 4:21:41 PM PST by wita
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To: WileyCoyote22
I am not going to flame you. I agree with your statement.

I have read there was a Dept. of Education, Goals 2000 type person on site just before the shootings. There's the mind control part.

9 posted on 11/03/2001 4:36:35 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: RichardEdward
True. A second amendment advocate in Colorado brought this fact to my attention.
10 posted on 11/03/2001 5:01:54 PM PST by Djarum
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To: CWRWinger
Columbine was without a doubt the clearest-cut case of a mind control reichstagg fire event I have seen. Indisputable. Witness after live witness in real time saying there were THREE SHOOTERS. Two kids, and an adult, heard it several times as I watched the live feeds. By that evening, heck, pretty swiftly in the afternoon, all those video tapes never shown again, but the other clips over and over and over again. Feds up the wazoo just real handy like hanging out on the corner. Local cops ordered to not go in. Until all the adult eyewitnesses were DEAD, that is hours later. Crucial state vote on guns concurrently, NRA national meeting. WAY too many coincidences and clues there. Drugs, ritalin, maybe others. Programming, TELEFON.
11 posted on 11/03/2001 5:02:46 PM PST by zog
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To: BOBWADE
Ping
12 posted on 11/03/2001 5:07:44 PM PST by zip
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To: RichardEdward
does anyone know if this is true?

Yes, it is true. I don't have a reference handy, but I'm sure a thorough internet search would turn something up. Check the Keep and Bear Arms and the Gun Owners of America web sites.

13 posted on 11/03/2001 5:32:49 PM PST by wysiwyg
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To: RichardEdward
No surprise here. The media covers it up. There is NO mention in the media that medicare/drug coverage was PASSED in the 80s,,,,,,AND repealed in record time. Also no mention of James Dale's little incident in Fla. which was covered 1 time by Paul Harvey. Where's your feet, Jimmie boy????
14 posted on 11/03/2001 5:33:32 PM PST by Waco
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To: RichardEdward
You have a lot of catching up to do. The Manes fellow who sold one of the TEC-9s to Eric and Dylan, was the son of a local HCI mouthpiece.

None of the fatalities was from the 9mm pistols; eleven of the students killed were hit by shotgun blasts at close range. The round which killed Daniel Rohrbaugh is suspected to be neither 9mm or shotgun, possibly .40 S&W, but his father is still suing to get the truth about that little detail. The girl who purchased the shotguns (the actual murder weapons) for Eric and Dylan the previous fall, Robyn Andersen, never even took a ride in a squad car. She later testified before the legislature against the mythical "gun show loophole" in return. Pathetic creature.

Dylan's parents were described as liberals, but I don't recall hearing of any connection they had with HCI or other anti-gun groups, except the Democrat party.

The Colorado legislature had just passed a concealed carry (shall issue) bill, and it was headed to the Governor to sign, and he had promised to sign it. After the shooting, he rolled over for the left and vetoed the bill.

You can search www.google.com using "freerepublic" and "Columbine" and find the links to the hundreds of threads on these topics.

The Columbine Research Task Force also has some good research material.

Good luck, and happy reading.

15 posted on 11/03/2001 5:45:14 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: zog
There WAS a lot of stuff happening all at that time. Then Govenor 'stab in the back' Owens did just that to CCW. Wonder how many lives that has cost.

Frustrating.

16 posted on 11/03/2001 6:05:40 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: RichardEdward
This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder what is really going on in this country. Strange forces at work, there is little doubt in that.
17 posted on 11/03/2001 6:19:53 PM PST by america76
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To: RichardEdward
John Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime has a brief discussion about this. He cites an article from the New York Times.
18 posted on 11/03/2001 8:03:26 PM PST by Washingtonian
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To: meadsjn
Dylan's parents were described as liberals, but I don't recall hearing of any connection they had with HCI or other anti-gun groups, except the Democrat party.

I do recall hearing that Klebolds folks were active in HCI. I recall talking about that with the father of one of the victims from the library and how ironic that seemed. I have no source to verify that however.

20 posted on 11/04/2001 4:03:57 AM PST by MileHi
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To: MileHi
That would help confirm the theory of projection on the part of gun grabbers wouldn't it?

The don't trust others with guns because the don't trust themselves. And, perhaps, they have good reason.

21 posted on 11/04/2001 6:21:54 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
Good morning, EE!

They don't trust others with guns because they don't trust themselves. And, perhaps, they have good reason.

I have long felt that many anti-gunners are in fact telling us something about themselves. They may well know their own charactor flaws and assume that everyone else shares them.

22 posted on 11/04/2001 6:31:38 AM PST by MileHi
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To: wita
he wrote it.. i listed the magazine (source) in the original message
23 posted on 11/04/2001 6:41:54 AM PST by RichardEdward
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To: MileHi
I would not be surprized that the Klebolds were associated with HCI. The influx of liberals into South Jeffco, Douglas, and Arapahoe counties, have been pushing the local politics to the left for ten or fifteen years. The House Rep from South Jeffco was strong on the CCW bill, but I can't remember his name. We left Columbine Hills just before the one-year anniversary of the school shootings.

There are connections between the shootings in the links below, to the school shootings and as far as I know these have not been solved.

2 Columbine Students Shot Dead

Two Columbine students killed in sandwich shop

24 posted on 11/04/2001 12:51:32 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
The House Rep from South Jeffco was strong on the CCW bill, but I can't remember his name.

I think you mean Tom Tancreado. He is my rep. He has had to tone down his RKBA rhetoric since Columbine, but he is still a pretty good supporter. I went to a town hall meeting in a TRT shirt. Some TRT folks pressed him pretty hard and he tried to be middle of the road during the meeting. He made some very encouraging remarks afterwards when I went to shake his hand.

The sandwich shop shooting remain unsolved. They may or may not be connected to Columbine but no money was taken

You are right about the influx of sociallist lefties here of late. Except for Denver it is still not too bad. We shall see what the future holds. I intend to move to the mountains in a couple years when I can retire. BTW, I work for the school district. Columbine is a very different place than it was before.

25 posted on 11/04/2001 4:36:48 PM PST by MileHi
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To: RichardEdward
I tried posting this article but I am unable to, so here it is:

Deputy fired into Columbine library Ballistic evidence belies statement, sheriff's report

26 posted on 11/11/2001 1:40:14 AM PST by Mr. Snrub
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